Manny Pacquiao

MrsStuffings

Hi lads,

following walshbs order not to derail the official mayweather ortiz thread ive started a new one where we can continue the discussion re: pacquiao and his explosive size gain over the last few years, and the other thread can be left to discuss the actual mayweather ortiz fight.

I'm a health professional myself and i would honestly have to say that with the amount of catabolic exercise involved in boxing training, it's physiologically impossible for manny to have made such gains without some form of enhancement, be it testosterone or hgh.

I think jabbing probably goes on a lot more in high level competition than we like to admit.

I think to suggest that floyd is afraid of fighting manny is ludicrous, why would arguably the greatest boxer to have ever lived be afraid of fighting a guy who has already been beaten numerous times.

What do others think?

zindicato

http://fightfan.com/2011/09/enhanced-performance-the-natural-progression-of-manny-pacquiao-from-light-flyweight-to-welterweight/

moneyman

^ And that's the thread. No doubt there will still be people doubting it because Manny gained slightly more weight slightly quicker. The ball park is the same, however, and once again we can see that there is absolutely no need for Manny to have taken PEDs. Besides, Manny doesn't cut weight anymore and walks around at fight weight. He has a higher body fat % than he did back in the day, which is another thing people want to ignore.

Funny how health professionals are turning up everywhere, all in defense of Floyd, when it's pretty obvious gaining weight is not that hard for a top athlete.

I think it's quite sad that people feel the need to slander a great fighter just because they have some bizarre personal attraction to another great fighter.

I think to suggest that floyd is afraid of fighting manny is ludicrous, why would arguably the greatest boxer to have ever lived be afraid of fighting a guy who has already been beaten numerous times.

Floyd is not the greatest boxer to have ever lived, ludicrous suggestion although he is definitely one of the GOAT (or at least would be if he fights the other best fighter of his era). Floyd is obviously scared. He is absolutely terrified of losing that 0. He knows full well that he'd be in for a proper contest against Pacquiao. It's a shame he has no heart because chances are he'd take it on points and solidify his legacy as one of the GOAT.

colly10

MrsStuffings wrote: »

I'm a health professional myself and i would honestly have to say that with the amount of catabolic exercise involved in boxing training, it's physiologically impossible for manny to have made such gains without some form of enhancement

What do others think?

I went from 67 kg to 75 in roughly a year while boxing 3 days a week and it was all down to a complete change of diet and a day a week of intense weight training. There was no noticeable difference in my stomach as I'd never be happy to carry weight. I was fully grown when I started and it wasn't some figment of my imagination as my old trainer said I was the biggest transformation he's seen it the club so I don't really buy that it's not possible. It's just about learning about what your doing and being consistent.

But manny barely had to gain a thing anyway. He still fights close to the weight he was years ago

cowzerp

I'm also a personal trainer about 13 years now and Boxing coach and ex Boxer so know a thing or 2 about Boxing weight gain/loss-and bodybuilding weight gain etc

Its much harder to gain Muscle than most people think and as msstuffins said especially when your doing highly catabolic training-For the record-people saying Floyd and Manny have been the same weights maybe right but i believe Floyd has been much more steady and i also think he looks taller than he was at 17 unlike Manny-also there is nothing to say that Mayweather was all natural either.

Your 3 days a week would most likely add up to 1 session of Mannys day colly in fairness-bad comparison

ps, everyone is saying he was the same weight anyway-his size and shape regardless of weight was a massive transformation so i don't buy that line.

colly10

cowzerp wrote: »

Your 3 days a week would most likely add up to 1 session of Mannys day colly in fairness-bad comparison

ps, everyone is saying he was the same weight anyway-his size and shape regardless of weight was a massive transformation so i don't buy that line.

I was my trainer when it came to building up, he has a top professional to guide him and his gains were only a tiny fraction of mine within that time period. It's easy enough to get the calories you need, my drink for breakfast was over 1000 calories and didn't affect my appetite by the time lunch, he works alot harder but may also take in alot more calories.
My appetite increased massively as I got used to eating more as well so can build that up to get what you need

gene_tunney

MrsStuffings wrote: »

Hi lads,

following walshbs order not to derail the official mayweather ortiz thread ive started a new one where we can continue the discussion re: pacquiao and his explosive size gain over the last few years, and the other thread can be left to discuss the actual mayweather ortiz fight.

I'm a health professional myself and i would honestly have to say that with the amount of catabolic exercise involved in boxing training, it's physiologically impossible for manny to have made such gains without some form of enhancement, be it testosterone or hgh.

I think jabbing probably goes on a lot more in high level competition than we like to admit.

I think to suggest that floyd is afraid of fighting manny is ludicrous, why would arguably the greatest boxer to have ever lived be afraid of fighting a guy who has already been beaten numerous times.

What do others think?

What kind of "Health Professional" are you?

EDIT: Nevermind, realised your post is null and void when I read this ridiculously uninformed statement:

MrsStuffings wrote: »

why would arguably the greatest boxer to have ever lived be afraid of fighting a guy who has already been beaten numerous times.

makl

Not a fitness instructor. So I'll only use facts. Which is probably what everyone should use. Personal observation doesn't cut it and is open to libel or slander. Also, whats wrong with Manny being taller than he was when 17?

Pacquiao's weightgain in 2008 is fairly significant but still less than what Ortiz hydrated (ok fine not muscle, but using it to show it's not extreme).

Ortiz @ Berto weigh in = 147; fightweight = 161 --> 14 lb. Hydration in 24 hrs.

Pacquiao 2000 = 121
P 2001 = 122
P 2002 = 122
P 2003 = 126
P 2004 = 125
P 2005 = 130
P 2006 = 129
P 2007 = 130
P 2008 = 129-142 (13)
P 2009 = 144
P 2010 = 144
P 2011 = 145

Mayweather 2000 = 130
M 2001 = 130
M 2002 = 134
M 2003 = 135
M 2004 = 140
M 2005 = 139-147 (8)
M 2006 = 146
M 2007 = 150
M 2008 = na
M 2009 = 146
M 2010 = 146
M 2011 = 146

Scanlas The 2nd

gene_tunney wrote: »

What kind of "Health Professional" are you?

EDIT: Nevermind, realised your post is null and void when I read this ridiculously uninformed statement:

I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to suggest Floyd is the greatest boxer of all time. I think it's probably unlikely considering all the greats there have been but I certainly wouldn't rule him out as the greatest ever. As for Pacquiao, I do get a bit of a drug vibe off him when he does things such as using both hands to punch simultaneously. It seems like something someone would do when pumped up on steroids or such.

gene_tunney

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to suggest Floyd is the greatest boxer of all time. I think it's probably unlikely considering all the greats there have been but I certainly wouldn't rule him out as the greatest ever. As for Pacquiao, I do get a bit of a drug vibe off him when he does things such as using both hands to punch simultaneously. It seems like something someone would do when pumped up on steroids or such.

Floyd's a great boxer, and I'm a big fan, but at the end of the day his best win is probably Hatton or Corrales. Doesn't say much.

moneyman

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to suggest Floyd is the greatest boxer of all time. I think it's probably unlikely considering all the greats there have been but I certainly wouldn't rule him out as the greatest ever. As for Pacquiao, I do get a bit of a drug vibe off him when he does things such as using both hands to punch simultaneously. It seems like something someone would do when pumped up on steroids or such.

Scanlas The 2nd

gene_tunney wrote: »

Floyd's a great boxer, and I'm a big fan, but at the end of the day his best win is probably Hatton or Corrales. Doesn't say much.

He dominates opponents so much his fights aren't remembered as great wins. Just look at his stats on hit percantages and compared to his opponents. Way ahead of anyone else out there.

walshb

Way ahead of Castillo, Oscar? Both wins were far from dominant.

I think Floyd is a great fighter, but not the greatest. Not top ten for me.

As for fear from Floyd to Manny? If Floyd truly believes he is better he would never have
brought up tests. He didn't request tests for Ortiz, did he? Oscar? Others he fought.

I do believe he sees in Manny a fighter that can really give him issues. That is obvious, and
all this drug talk is smoke and mirrors. He has seen what Manny can do, sees his speed, power, angles,
chin, fitness and confidence, and he, Floyd, is not all that sure of himself.

This fight will not happen. Becaise, if Manny does agree to all the tests that Floyd wants, you
can be sure that Floyd will throw another obstacle in the way. To Floyd, Manny is too much
of an uncertainty. The 0 is very important to PBF. Not so to Manny, as he has tasted defeat.

Johner

walshb wrote: »

Way ahead of Castillo, Oscar? Both wins were far from dominant.

I think Floyd is a great fighter, but not the greatest. Not top ten for me.

As for fear from Floyd to Manny? If Floyd truly believes he is better he would never have
brought up tests. He didn't request tests for Ortiz, did he? Oscar? Others he fought.

I do believe he sees in Manny a fighter that can really give him issues. That is obvious, and
all this drug talk is smoke and mirrors. He has seen what Manny can do, sees his speed, power, angles,
chin, fitness and confidence, and he, Floyd, is not all that sure of himself.

This fight will not happen. Becaise, if Manny does agree to all the tests that Floyd wants, you
can be sure that Floyd will throw another obstacle in the way. To Floyd, Manny is too much
of an uncertainty. The 0 is very important to PBF. Not so to Manny, as he has tasted defeat.

Yeah he did, and Mosley.

walshb

Johner wrote: »

Yeah he did, and Mosley.

Yes, I was aware for Mosley. Didn't know for Ortiz. Anyway, he has to to be seen to do it now for any man he faces. But, it is Manny at this weight that worries him. It was Manny that led to this obstacle (OSDC) being bought up.

CorkMan

I am a health professional and I deem what Pacquiao did to get to his current weight was all natural, no steroids used.

cowzerp

CorkMan wrote: »

I am a health professional and I deem what Pacquiao did to get to his current weight was all natural, no steroids used.

Beauty therapist does not count.

Spazdarn

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to suggest Floyd is the greatest boxer of all time. I think it's probably unlikely considering all the greats there have been but I certainly wouldn't rule him out as the greatest ever. As for Pacquiao, I do get a bit of a drug vibe off him when he does things such as using both hands to punch simultaneously. It seems like something someone would do when pumped up on steroids or such.

It is ridiculous to say Floyd is the greatest ever, he's done a hell of a lot of cherry picking along the way to that undefeated record.... seriously did boxing only begin in the last decade...

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Beauty therapist does not count.

Cheap shot, but I am laughing.

My view: Would not at all be surprised if Manny, and others are drugging, but conversely, would not at all be surprised if he was not. You cannot be close to 100 percent sure if he is drugging simply by looking and comparing him to others

So, he weighs just above 10 stone, and has a great physique. Is ripped, muscular. He ought to be, he does nothing but train. What is so amazing from this to be so sure it's down to magic, or drugs? Could he not be doing this by absolute hard work, and diet and nutrition and every waking hour being monitored and trained?

He is no longer in his 20s. With age the body weighs more. He is adding some weight, and in doing so he also is holding onto his skills. Big deal.
Floyd is 147 lbs. He is only about 1.5 inches taller than Manny. So, how is he 147-150 lbs and looks in good shape?

Pac is someting in a weak era. I mean, who has he beaten at 147 lbs? Cotto and an inept Oscar? Margarito? Punchbag he is. Clottey? Punchbag.

I think he looked awesome in some fights, but against very little resistance.

MrsStuffings

From his teenage years we knew lebron james was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years we knew dwayne wade was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years, we knew pbf was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

You don't just get to the age of thirty and suddenly become world class when prior to that you were getting beaten up on a regular basis.

If you're clean take the test.

walshb

MrsStuffings wrote: »

You don't just get to the age of thirty and suddenly become world class when prior to that you were getting beaten up on a regular basis.
.

What?

Manny has been world class for many years now. Did you not see the ass whupping he put on Barerra 8 years ago? ****ing Barerra.

colly10

MrsStuffings wrote: »

From his teenage years we knew lebron james was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years we knew dwayne wade was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years, we knew pbf was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

You don't just get to the age of thirty and suddenly become world class when prior to that you were getting beaten up on a regular basis.

Manny has only lost one fight in the last decade and that was against Moralez (hardly a bum, nothing like the Moralez of today). He was being trained by Freddy Roach so he technique was going to improve

MrsStuffings wrote: »

If you're clean take the test.

Spouting his lines I see, the last I remember Manny was willing to be tested up to 2 weeks before and directly after the fight. If he was taking anything it would be found.

I'm not saying here that I think he's 100% not taking anything but I think that Floyd is only interested in this as it causes an obstacle. I don't expect you to see that though seeing as you consider him to be possibly the best ever.
The greatest ever fighter struggles with De La Hoya, Hatton moves up a weight and it takes him 10 rounds to stop him, were you impressed by his domination of Marquez?

Spazdarn

The drug testing is a strange issue considering Mayweather has stated in some interviews that the drug testing had been agreed upon, and in others he spouts the same stuff about taking the tests... I've definitely seen interviews with conflicting stories...

You get the same nonsense from Arum but I wouldn't believe a word he says...

Scanlas The 2nd

ToiletFusion wrote: »

It is ridiculous to say Floyd is the greatest ever, he's done a hell of a lot of cherry picking along the way to that undefeated record.... seriously did boxing only begin in the last decade...

Don't forget to take into account that people generally are biased to think the greats of the past are better the more time passes since they retired. You just have to look at football, so many very good players from the past are overated simply because they were very good in the distant past.

colly10

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Don't forget to take into account that people generally are biased to think the greats of the past are better the more time passes since they retired. You just have to look at football, so many very good players from the past are overated simply because they were very good in the distant past.

Not too sure about that one, I consider messi to be the greatest footballer ever and he's still only young

leonidas83

Mayweather v Pacquiao = Pacquiao win

Mayweather knows this and has been using the drugs issue to hide the fact that he just doesnt want to fight him and lose that perfect record. When you have been fighting as long as Mayweather has and have never lost, losing becomes your biggest fear. This is what this is all about.

Mayweathers camp only take on fights when they know they can beat the opposing fighter, they know they cant in this case and are willing to avoid the fight at all costs. In my opinion Mayweather is on the slide now and his last few performances have started to show that. Pacquiao even agreed to most of the drug testing procedure Mayweather demanded not too long ago but Mayweather still wont take the fight.

All this talk of Pacquiao taking drugs is disrespectful to the man as he has never refused a drug test and has been a great ambassador for the sport.

ThunderCat

I wish both parties could resolve this and just make the fight happen. It's robbing fight fans of this era's superfight. And if it doesnt happen then Floyds '0' will count for far less than he'd like to think it does. Mannys legacy wouldnt suffer as much I dont think given the fact he's won against a prime Barrera, a prime Marquez, a prime Morales etc. No question Floyds '0' is impressive and if this fight happens and he emerges victorious then his legacy is well and truely cemented but how could he ever retire without facing Manny and still preech about his unbeaten record. And if he does that, then im afraid thats what he will be remembered most for - avoiding the fight. It would be like Duran and Leonard never getting it on. It would be such a good match up and either one of them could emerge victorious.
With regards all the drugs testing nonsense, can Floyd not just proceed with the drug testing measures that are in place at the moment as Manny has already agreed to be tested straight after the fight. Surely if traces of anything is found in him at that stage then his biggest ever purse will be withdrawn and his entire career tarnished. I honestly think he's clean and if he isnt, then why is he eager to fight Floyd if the enevitable drug tests afterwards would show him up to be a "juicer", rob him of his purse, strip him of his licence and destroy his reputation. Thats a far worse fate then losing your '0' don't you think.
Like everyone else, im a little frustrated at this stage - just get it on.

gene_tunney

MrsStuffings wrote: »

From his teenage years we knew lebron james was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years we knew dwayne wade was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years, we knew pbf was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

You don't just get to the age of thirty and suddenly become world class when prior to that you were getting beaten up on a regular basis.

If you're clean take the test.

Wut.

Pacquiao won his first world title when he was 20. Mayweather won his first title when he was 21.

moneyman

MrsStuffings wrote: »

From his teenage years we knew lebron james was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years we knew dwayne wade was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

From his teenage years, we knew pbf was gonna be a great athlete, an all time great.

You don't just get to the age of thirty and suddenly become world class when prior to that you were getting beaten up on a regular basis.

If you're clean take the test.

That is one of the worst thought out arguments I've ever heard Floyd use, and it's pathetic copying him and shows where your allegiances (and rationale) lie. The amount of athletes who come out of nowhere to become great is huge. They are in every sport across the board. No one can even begin to deny this - I honestly have no idea what Floyd was thinking. Another one of his hateful, deluded rants I'm afraid. The guy is terrified of losing that 0.


And to make it even more ridiculous, Pacquiao won his first world title at 20 (as has been pointed out), so it's not like he came out of nowhere.

All this smoke and mirrors and throwing around of false facts is pathetic and makes Floyd look like a bitter man.


BTW, no one knew Wade would be that good. Nor was it clear Floyd would be an ATG from his teenage years. Your examples don't even compute

MrsStuffings

leonidas83 wrote: »

All this talk of Pacquiao taking drugs is disrespectful to the man as he has never refused a drug test and has been a great ambassador for the sport.

oh sweet jesus.

moneyman

MrsStuffings wrote: »

oh sweet jesus.

Pacquiao has never rejected a drug test that he's obliged to take. He doesn't have to bow to Floyd's demands.

If you're going to nitpick, you need to look at the sheer absurdity of your own posts, which has been pointed out multiple times but you've still managed to ignore.

coronaextra

Im a Huge Mayweather fan, Im all team money, but all this talk of Manny drugs shi* is pissing me off.

So what if hes juicing? just train that bit harder to make up.

If I could do what Manny has done by taking some shakes before gym time, then I wouldnt be sitting here talking **** behind a keyboard!

This fight must take place within 6months or else I DO NOT want too see it, and I wont be blaming Manny for it.

I know a lot of genuine fans who will loose faith in boxing if this fight doesn't happen, now.

colly10

coronaextra wrote: »

This fight must take place within 6months or else I DO NOT want too see it

I've already lost a huge amount of interest in it. This fight should have happened a year and a half ago. This fight is not as big now as it would have been then

Bodhisopha

A few things, it's really hard to keep track.

Didn't Manny eventually agree to the testing as Mayweather required?

Didn't he before that agree to testing up to a few days before the fight and then immediately after? What PED's could he have sneaked into his training regimen that would have given him an illegal advantage but not have been detectable? I'm aiming that towards the professionals in the know here.

Before any talk of fighting Mayweather, Pacquiao has spoken about his unease with the blood testing in his first fight against Morales when they tested him, claimed to have lost the sample and tested him again closer to the fight. He believes it weakened him, of course that is ludicrous but elite sports stars are creatures of habit and very superstitious. I suspect Mayweather was aware of this and was trying to gain a mental edge. If Manny believes it weakens him then why should he bend to Mayweathers demands? Which if i'm not mistaken, he has anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOFXsVAT8_0

He's not the only sportsman to have had such reservations about giving blood, Asafa Powell had similar concerns but he had no choice but to give blood. Also, he massively underperformed after it. Beliefs are powerful in sport.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/2546357/Sprinter-Asafa-Powell-weakened-by-Beijing-Olympic-blood-tests.html

mrgardener

MrsStuffings wrote: »

oh sweet jesus.

Can you explain your statement please? Bit confused as to your reaction?

Spazdarn

moneyman wrote: »

That is one of the worst thought out arguments I've ever heard Floyd use, and it's pathetic copying him and shows where your allegiances (and rationale) lie. The amount of athletes who come out of nowhere to become great is huge. They are in every sport across the board. No one can even begin to deny this - I honestly have no idea what Floyd was thinking. Another one of his hateful, deluded rants I'm afraid. The guy is terrified of losing that 0.


And to make it even more ridiculous, Pacquiao won his first world title at 20 (as has been pointed out), so it's not like he came out of nowhere.

All this smoke and mirrors and throwing around of false facts is pathetic and makes Floyd look like a bitter man.


BTW, no one knew Wade would be that good. Nor was it clear Floyd would be an ATG from his teenage years. Your examples don't even compute

They're hardly his examples, it's Floyd copy and paste.

My problem with Floyd's suspicions is the timing of it all. Why didn't Floyd want to clean up boxing a few years back when all the BALCO **** was occurring, he's since fought Mosley who was caught in the scandal... He hasn't been half as demanding on his opponents since this came out, though I have heard there was testing obviously, there wasn't any specific groups brought in to do it... and apparently the last test done for the Mosley fight were miles off of a 2 day limit. Again the above is pieced together through about 2 years of videos and articles so if there's any part wrong, by all means correct me... but it seems that the only reason Floyd is trying to save boxing, is because Manny is the only one who has the potential to beat him, and that's a risk he has no intention of taking...

Boooourns

Manny agreed to Floyds original demands but then Floyd moved the goalposts again, it's pretty clear who's delaying the fight to be honest.
Floyd also denied he taking part in negotiations the second time round, but then there was documents released to prove he was.
Floyd is my probably my favouite boxer at the moment but he's just showing himself up here.

walshb

colly10 wrote: »

I've already lost a huge amount of interest in it. This fight should have happened a year and a half ago. This fight is not as big now as it would have been then

Agree.

Fight is at least 12 months past when it should have happened.

I think it was first pencilled in ("seriously") for March 2010; and now we are nearing the end of 2011.

Spazdarn

An the very earliest it's a March fight, which sets it 2 years past it's sell by date.

walshb

From Eastside: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=29359&more=1

"McGuigan has thrown in his two cents with regards to the ongoing “take the test” OSRDT that Mayweather is demanding of Pac-Man. “The Clones Cyclone” suggests Mayweather “should be able to beat any opponent in his weight class no matter what they bring to the table.” Barry is of the opinion that the drug testing Mayweather has demanded is “an irrelevance if he [Floyd] is as good as he tells us he is.”

It seems McGuigan, if he were looking after Floyd, would advise his fighter to get it on with Pacquiao whether he suspects him of taking illegal substances or not. This attitude is not one Mayweather and his team share, however, and the fight is stuck in limbo as a result. Sure, it would make things easier and the fans would be a whole lot happier if Mayweather agreed to do what McGuigan suggests, and fight Pac-Man regardless, but we all know this isn’t going to happen."

I think Floyd is simply looking for a way out. The 0 is too important, and Manny's style and skills are
too risky.

cowzerp

I also agree that skill will still be what wins the day so it's not as important as made out but its worth pointing out this suits both fighters, they will want 1-3 big pay days then a possible final massive pay day against each other, there money earning potential will most definetly drop to the 1 that loses unless it's controversial.

They both want to maximise there money making and when they meet i would not be suprised if both are looking at it been there last fight.

walshb

But, how greedy can a person be?

I mean, no matter what, they will be making obscene money. Are they really that greedy?

If so, that is really a sad way to be for a person, to be that hungry for money.

I know, money corrupts. And, even when some people have so much, they still
want more. It's part of human nature.

For arguments sake: If both want to be remembered as great great sports men, does it really matter
if one earns 25 mill, the other 15 mill? The real winner is the one that wins the fight in my eyes.

I guess it's not just the fighters here. All the management, advisors etc. They are all part of the money making talks.

Spazdarn

Well if Mayweather can guarantee 20 million from Ortiz fight, that sum is going to be far higher I reckon. It's the biggest fight in boxing.

I'd love for more fights to go down like straight down the middle, you get 40% I get 40% and winner gets the remaining 20%

zindicato

Victor Conte, founder of the infamouse BALCO Lab, appeared on the latest edition of BoxingScene.com's official radio show - "The Boxing Lab." Conte is currently working with WBO/WBC bantamweight champion Nonito Donaire and he recently worked with champions Andre Berto and Andre Ward.

The famous nutritionist spoke on a variety of topics. One of which was the random blood testing issue, currently preventing a finalized deal for a super-fight between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao, which is potentially the richest fight in boxing history.

Beginning with his fight against Shane Mosley, which took place in May 2012, Mayweather has insisted that he and any opponent that he faces must submit to random blood and urine testing for performance enhancing drugs.

According to Conte, the drug testing protocol used for Mayweather's past two fights were not conducted in the form of Olympic Style testing.

I asked Conte if a fighter could use performance enhancing drugs outside of the standard eight week training camp, and benefit from it, and still pass random drug tests.

Conte's answer - "Yes, you are absolutely correct."

"They only submitted to random drug testing during their training camp so Floyd's two fights were not Olympic Style testing. I don't like that term. Olympic Style testing is 24/7 365 days a year. ," said Conte.

Boooourns

Mayweather is on drugs, we've been all double bluffed aha!

joey mich

I dont believe Pacman do drugs.Mayweather too.Only,Mayweather wont fight Paman..He is worried Pacman is gonna beat him..:D

walshb

joey mich wrote: »

I dont believe Pacman do drugs.Mayweather too.Only,Mayweather wont fight Paman..He is worried Pacman is gonna beat him..:D

We've had dozens of posts on this. Could this post be the most succinct of the lot?

Spazdarn

Gotta love his "no foreplay, straight to business" style of posting....

AstonMartin

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to suggest Floyd is the greatest boxer of all time. I think it's probably unlikely considering all the greats there have been but I certainly wouldn't rule him out as the greatest ever. As for Pacquiao, I do get a bit of a drug vibe off him when he does things such as using both hands to punch simultaneously. It seems like something someone would do when pumped up on steroids or such.

hush now, the adults are talking.