Midweek:Gay Byrne-Disgrace

votecounts · 22-09-2011 12:01am #1

I was just watching midweek on tv3 and I am disgusted by Gay Byrnes comments in relation to Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams, calling them both liars.This coming from a guy who wouldn't enter the presidential race because he didn't want journalists looking in to his background. Remembering the night he said he did not shake Gerry's hand because the producer told him not to, makes me think he is a liar and a hypoctite. Another one like mary o'rourke, who won't get off the stage and enjoy their big fat pensions at the tax payers expense.

Foghladh · 22-09-2011 12:16am

votecounts wrote: »

I was just watching midweek on tv3 and I am disgusted by Gay Byrnes comments in relation to Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams, calling them both liars

Well Mc Guinness left the IRA in the early 70's apparently and Gerry Adams has never been a member. Do you think that's truthful?

francie82 · 22-09-2011 12:17am

votecounts wrote: »

,,,, in relation to Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams, calling them both liars.......

I think hes right....did you ever see the interview he had with Gerry Adams on the show "the meaning of Life" ...in my opinion the lies he told were a disgrace...absolutely full of crap in all fairness....watch it if you can get a hold of it.

And with regard to him running for the presidental election...i think gaybo just simply loved the attention. He simply too old to stand a chance and he knows it

votecounts · 22-09-2011 12:31am

The IRA thing is in the past, look to the future. We (some of ye)welcomed the queen to this country despite her being responsible for the killings of innocent catholics and every media outlet was telling us its all in the past so hence the double standards. Whether you like it or not, Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams will be written in the history books as two of the main players that brough peace to Northern Ireland. All respect for Gay Byrne is lost, probably needs to be in a nursing home with his fianna fail membership card with him.

Foghladh · 22-09-2011 12:35am

votecounts wrote: »

The IRA thing is in the past, look to the future. We (some of ye)welcomed the queen to this country despite her being responsible for the killings of innocent catholics and every media outlet was telling us its all in the past so hence the double standards. Whether you like it or not, Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams will be written in the history books as two of the main players that brough peace to Northern Ireland. All respect for Gay Byrne is lost, probably needs to be in a nursing home with his fianna fail membership card with him.

We may have welcomed the queen a couple of months ago but I distinctly remember Gerry and the rest of the Sinn Féin delegation staging a boycott. And the odd protest. If the past is in the past it's pretty recently consigned there

votecounts · 22-09-2011 12:46am

I personally didn't agree with the Queens visit, mainly due to the cost and the fact that Dublin was a nightmare to get through at the time. Some Sinn Fein Representatives did meet her. I'm sure President McGuiness will greet her the next at the Aras. Back on topic, Gay Byrne was too chicken to get in to the race as his ego would have taken a hiding with FF support but he can mouth off on this, yet praise bertie, cowen and their cohorts for years, a disgrace of a man.

francie82 · 22-09-2011 12:59am

cost of the visit??? Our country is sinking financially and we simply needed to spend money to build relations with our neighbours that we depend on for trade which in turn would pay for itself and make money for this country. Is this thread about mc guinness for president/ gaybo being a disgrace/or the queens visit.
"president mc Guinness" i heard you say....he maybe a candidate but its a long shot. We have enough non controversial candidates that will attract more votes....

Foghladh · 22-09-2011 1:01am

votecounts wrote: »

I personally didn't agree with the Queens visit, mainly due to the cost and the fact that Dublin was a nightmare to get through at the time. Some Sinn Fein Representatives did meet her. I'm sure President McGuiness will greet her the next at the Aras. Back on topic, Gay Byrne was too chicken to get in to the race as his ego would have taken a hiding with FF support but he can mouth off on this, yet praise bertie, cowen and their cohorts for years, a disgrace of a man.

Yes the cost and traffic disruptions were unfortunate. I believe the Mayor of Cashel met her, I'm not aware of any other Sinn Féin elected officials who did. Maybe they thought it would be rude after the thousand black balloons thingy? And hopefully it won't be President Mc Guinness at the Arás.

francie82 · 22-09-2011 1:05am

Foghladh wrote: »

And hopefully it won't be President Mc Guinness at the Arás.

You said it Foghladh, why would people vote for mc guinness??? Not a hope! This thread is going nowhere

Foghladh · 22-09-2011 1:14am

francie82 wrote: »

You said it Foghladh, why would people vote for mc guinness??? Not a hope! This thread is going nowhere

Well in fairness to the OP the thread is about Gay Byrne being a disgrace and I'd have agreed whole heartedly if it had been left at that

I don't much care for the man myself. But since it included Mc Guinness and Adams I felt obliged to disagree.

I agree it's going nowhere now re: MMG and voting but I wouldn't discredit Sinn Féin strategy. They have that ability to look two or three elections down the line. I couldn't ever see myself voting for them but if they stay out of trouble? My kids might well.

Wolfe Tone · 22-09-2011 1:32am

I'm not surprised, they are running scared and all sorts of characters are coming out of the woodwork.

Coillte_Bhoy · 22-09-2011 1:39am

votecounts wrote: »

The IRA thing is in the past, look to the future. We (overwhelming majority of Irish people)welcomed the queen to this country despite her being responsible for the killings of innocent catholics and every media outlet was telling us its all in the past so hence the double standards. Whether you like it or not, Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams will be written in the history books as two of the main players that brough peace to Northern Ireland. All respect for Gay Byrne is lost, probably needs to be in a nursing home with his fianna fail membership card with him.

fixed your post there

PomBear · 22-09-2011 1:50am

Foghladh wrote: »

Well Mc Guinness left the IRA in the early 70's apparently and Gerry Adams has never been a member. Do you think that's truthful?

It's truthful for all we know, there's little to say otherwise...

Foghladh · 22-09-2011 2:06am

PomBear wrote: »

It's truthful for all we know, there's little to say otherwise...

There's enough to convince me. How about you? Do you believe he might have been a member?

Should have specified Gerry Adams there

Exile 1798 · 22-09-2011 2:24am

votecounts wrote: »

I was just watching midweek on tv3 and I am disgusted by Gay Byrnes comments in relation to Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams, calling them both liars.This coming from a guy who wouldn't enter the presidential race because he didn't want journalists looking in to his background. Remembering the night he said he did not shake Gerry's hand because the producer told him not to, makes me think he is a liar and a hypoctite. Another one like mary o'rourke, who won't get off the stage and enjoy their big fat pensions at the tax payers expense.

I think Gay Byrne is still smarting from the failure of his attempted Late Late Show ambush of Gerry Adams in 94. He intended to skewer him, but Adams came out on top. It was his (Adams) first proper introduction to many Irish people. His appearance, his thoughtful tone and the strength of his arguments changed many people's views of him and of the situation in general. For someone as anti-Republican as Byrne, that has to be a major source of consternation.

Spread · 22-09-2011 5:15am

If Gaybo was good at reading personalities, he would not now be in the merde he's in. Financially ****ed up after years of being a resident of Arslikhan, he first of all got cought by Murphy and then by Fingers and Anglo. All of these rogues were like himself - smarmy, pretentious and basically hypocrits. Gaybo has always spoken about how life was such a joy in the old days ..... around Rialto and the SCR. If then wtf did he move away? He is extremely lucky to be in receipt of dosh from a semi state body. He has admitted to being a tight arse but not greedy. This is a play on words. Most elderly, who are far more deserving, are left in the mire with their portfolios. Gay, give us a break and shut it.

Dodd · 22-09-2011 5:29am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

fixed your post there

Can you just say what you mean instead of fyp crack.
It makes you look like a sad muppet.

Because it was rte gaybo got to say what he liked with no come back.

Rebelheart · 22-09-2011 5:39am

Is this Gay Byrne character any relation to the Gay Byrne who in October 1994 refused to shake the hand of Gerry Adams and facilitated and encouraged the thuggish behaviour of his irrational Sunday Independent friend, Hugh Leonard?

I'm not sure whether Byrne's political views are more influenced by his British Army father or his strong links with the political agenda of the Sunday Independent.

He was out of step in 1994 (as the audience and public reaction quickly showed), and he's just as out of step now.

As somebody else said in this thread, Byrne hadn't the courage to put his name forward because, as he said at the time, he didn't want people investigating his past. At least McGuinness and all the other candidates have that basic courage.

Liam Byrne · 22-09-2011 5:52am

votecounts wrote: »

I personally didn't agree with the Queens visit, mainly due to the cost and the fact that Dublin was a nightmare to get through at the time.

So you were equally against Obama's visit ?

Re Gaybo - he's annoying and condescending at times, but I agree with him on this issue.

22-09-2011 7:36am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

fixed your post there

Don't do that in here, please. If you have a point, make it yourself

cardwizzard · 22-09-2011 7:46am

Gaybo is just playing his part in this smear game. If he had the balls he should have stood for President himself and let everybody look into his past. We won't have to wait long until the next anti SF/MMG propaganda member is rolled out, I wonder who it will be.

One thing is for sure Gay wouldn't take the AIW, the mess he has got himself into and he was paid a fortune.

Diarmuid · 22-09-2011 7:48am

votecounts wrote: »

The IRA thing is in the past, look to the future.

yeah, get over yourself Anne McCabe . Stop living in the past :rolleyes:

RandomName2 · 22-09-2011 8:12am

votecounts wrote: »

The IRA thing is in the past, look to the future. We (some of ye)welcomed the queen to this country despite her being responsible for the killings of innocent catholics and every media outlet was telling us its all in the past so hence the double standards. Whether you like it or not, Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams will be written in the history books as two of the main players that brough peace to Northern Ireland. All respect for Gay Byrne is lost, probably needs to be in a nursing home with his fianna fail membership card with him.

If I remember correctly it was McG who personally killed Catholics, not the queen.

Sorry, as you said; look to the future. Mind you your post is obviously totally disingenuous. You would never had had respect for Gay Byrne as Gaybo was always anti-IRA. You mentioning this now as if it was a revelation in order to A) produce more publicity for Martin Mc and kick Fianna Fail when they're down.

Although the second one is totally laughable - Gaybo wasn't a Fianna Failer, which was totally obvious when the FF backbenches refused to back him! They, like you, could have had feigned shock when Gaybo attacked the EU goverment 'Ah now, I've totally seen Gaybo in a new light. Never knew he was anti-EU loike'

GSF · 22-09-2011 8:37am

Look to the future McGuinness supporters say, yet they keep harping on about a non-handshake in 1994. Double standards?

COYW · 22-09-2011 8:53am

Foghladh wrote: »

I believe the Mayor of Cashel met her, I'm not aware of any other Sinn Féin elected officials who did.

And he was reprimanded by the party for doing so.

lugha · 22-09-2011 8:59am

Exile 1798 wrote: »

I think Gay Byrne is still smarting from the failure of his attempted Late Late Show ambush of Gerry Adams in 94. He intended to skewer him, but Adams came out on top. It was his (Adams) first proper introduction to many Irish people. His appearance, his thoughtful tone and the strength of his arguments changed many people's views of him and of the situation in general. For someone as anti-Republican as Byrne, that has to be a major source of consternation.

Ah, yes. The great, never to be forgotten, victory for Sinn Fein as endorsed by the late late show audience. This would be the same show that also responded with gusto to one B. Ahern a couple of years back when the broad sentiments of the country on the man were somewhat different. Indeed didn't even Eoghan Harris woo the self same audience with aplomb a couple of years before that again?

Let's be kind and simply say that the late late show audiences can be ... impressionable.

Anyway, back to the OP, now that several posters have made absolutely sure that the messenger is shot, are his claims valid? Does anybody thing that one might have been in a shady organisation like SF or PIRA and not have had to tell a few whoppers somewhere along the way?

Alopex · 22-09-2011 9:00am

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I'm not surprised, they are running scared and all sorts of characters are coming out of the woodwork.

So do you believe McGuinness left the IRA in the 70s, or that Adams was never a member?

Someone calling beardy and curly liars is a daily occurance, surprised there's a thread about it.

vellocet · 22-09-2011 9:10am

Foghladh wrote: »

Well Mc Guinness left the IRA in the early 70's apparently and Gerry Adams has never been a member. Do you think that's truthful?

Of course not. But surely the issue is why Gay Byrne is being given a platform to criticise candidates in an election he withdrew from? There is a clear editorial line to have a pop at MMG and I think it might well backfire.

Who is next, Jedward?

vellocet · 22-09-2011 9:13am

lugha wrote: »

Anyway, back to the OP, now that several posters have made absolutely sure that the messenger is shot, are his claims valid? Does anybody thing that one might have been in a shady organisation like SF or PIRA and not have had to tell a few whoppers somewhere along the way?

I think this is about the messenger, or more importantly, the people who let the messenger deliver his message. Frontline, Joe Duffy and Gay. Three days. Three shows. Three attacks.

When will MMG get on to the airwaves?

bryaner · 22-09-2011 9:21am

What I can't understand is how anyone listens to Gay Byrne, as an interviewer over all the years he was meant to be impartial, was he no, he just enjoys pontificating his own views down other peoples throats thinking the whole country is behind him..

280special · 22-09-2011 9:50am

bryaner wrote: »

What I can't understand is how anyone listens to Gay Byrne, as an interviewer over all the years he was meant to be impartial, was he no, he just enjoys pontificating his own views down other peoples throats thinking the whole country is behind him..

Byrne was, is and always been a condesending, self opinionated, publicity seeking gob***te. The words "Gay Byrne" and "credibility" never could or can be used in relation to each other.

If you cant remember back far enough to recall some of his blatant , unadulterated stupidity and arrogence just look at some of his comments in his role as RSA chairman such as "rally mentality" in border counties.

I dont like to use terms like "D4" or "West Brit" but he is the personification of that self serving, narrow minded clique, and he is, like them and many others, all too ready to forget,that the Nationalists of northern Ireland have been paying the price for the independance of Southern Ireland since well before 1922.

Can'tseeme · 22-09-2011 9:51am

COYW wrote: »

And he was reprimanded by the party for doing so.

More misinformation.

The major of Cashel was never reprimanded for shaking the Queen's hand.

280special · 22-09-2011 10:01am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

fixed your post there

Might be an idea to FIX IT BACKto what it was !

This kind of arrogence represents a lot of what is and has been wrong with this country.

Way off topic i know, But where did you get the idea that the "overwhelming majority" of the population welcomed the Queen's visit ? There sure as hell werent too many of the ordinary people out to see her. Wouldnt it be more accurate to say that most people couldnt give a rcuk that she was here? Apathy and a "plenty of other, much more serious crap to worry about " attitude might be a more accurate description.

RandomName2 · 22-09-2011 10:01am

Can'tseeme wrote: »

More misinformation.

The major of Cashel was never reprimanded for shaking the Queen's hand.

The late mayor of Cashel went against his party's wishes and shook her hand and was publicly reprimanded for it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038737/Martin-McGuinness-Id-welcome-Queen-Ireland-says-presidential-hopeful.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

22-09-2011 10:20am

Okay I don't think this thread is going anywhere except general ranting so let's leave it there

Midweek:Gay Byrne-Disgrace

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