italy v russia

duckysauce

Italians are blowing them away at the mo 17-0 @17 mins , they will get the bonus point .

GerM

duckysauce wrote: »

Italians are blowing them away at the mo 17-0 @17 mins , they will get the bonus point .

Yup, destroying them. 3 tries in the first 17 minutes. They've missed 3 kicks at goal also which I suppose is comforting in a way. Artemiev was caught out for one of them defensively. Still hasn't ironed out his defensive issues.

duckysauce

bonus point got, italians looking good

molloyjh

duckysauce wrote: »

bonus point got, italians looking good

Italy showing Ireland how they should be taking it to the minnows looking for, and getting, the bonus point. None of this "we'll take a 3-0 win" nonsense.

GerM

It's like a training game. Italy walking through them. Russian being penalised all over the place. It's about 9 or 10 of the lads that played against the USA so not a particularly weak Russian side relatively.

GerM

Penalty try looking on the cards here...

EDIT: Pen count 8-0 after 25 minutes!!

Pen try awarded. 31-0.

GerM

Also worth mentioning, Parisse aside, this is an entirely second string Italian pack.

duckysauce

thats the -21 covered . We ain't out of our group yet the Italy game will be interesting. We should blow the Russians away on Sunday with the quick turn around for them.

pickarooney

They're averaging a point a minute now.

endabob1

WOW, I thought with the number of changes Italy had made this might be a sticky one....... we are far from home and dry

pickarooney

Game on!

GerM

Yellow card for Italian hooker. Dangerous tackle after Russian full back had pass thrown at him which hit him in face. Rabble. Pen Russia to corner and they go over after a recycle!

In mother Russia, try scores you. 31-7.

GerM

Russian handling levels are absolutely abysmal. Another pass thrown into touch....but it was already about 2 yards forward.

molloyjh

duckysauce wrote: »

thats the -21 covered . We ain't out of our group yet the Italy game will be interesting. We should blow the Russians away on Sunday with the quick turn around for them.

And we should be going for the bonus point too. Not really for the bonus point itself but as a statement of intent. Any team with designs on advancement in this tournament should be looking to put sides like this to the sword.

GerM

38-7. Italians off the scrum, nice move but ridiculous defending. Scrum half under posts from about 30m out.

GerM

molloyjh wrote: »

And we should be going for the bonus point too. Not really for the bonus point itself but as a statement of intent. Any team with designs on advancement in this tournament should be looking to put sides like this to the sword.

I'm not overstating it when I say we should be aiming to put 60 on this lot. Hands down the worst performance I've seen in this WC in every department. I actually think Wallace is the best man to direct things. He'll open them up time and time again with strike runners on his little reverse passes. Absolutely no pressure on him, just create and run. If Earls is short of confidence, this is the time to play him!

aeonfusion

GerM wrote: »

If Earls is short of confidence, this is the time to play him!

Have to agree, shame he hasn't been doing his usual fantastic plays, really hope he finds his legs in the russia game.

Really hope Ireland can exert themselves against Russia like Italy are doing, would like to see a lot of tries and a serious point difference.

molloyjh

GerM wrote: »

I'm not overstating it when I say we should be aiming to put 60 on this lot. Hands down the worst performance I've seen in this WC in every department. I actually think Wallace is the best man to direct things. He'll open them up time and time again with strike runners on his little reverse passes. Absolutely no pressure on him, just create and run. If Earls is short of confidence, this is the time to play him!

So Wallace to 10? Personally I'd go with ROG at 10 (they seem to have trouble when you put the ball in behind them which ROG will do very effectively), Wallace to 12, Ferg at 13 and then Earls and Trimble on the wings. Murphy to 15 and bench Sexton and Bowe. We can bring Sexton on at 12 for 20 to see how he gets on there and move Wallace to 10 then. Bowe could maybe go to 13 for 20 too, moving Ferg to the wing and Earls to FB?

Kayless

38-07 Italy deserve some credit here, they've been really clinical so far god know's we'd better not fluff this Russia game

circos

The russians look tiny compared to the italians! Very noticible.

soma

Anyone else disagree with that TMO decision? If given against Ireland I'd be raging - it looked like he bounced it off the ground with his *fingertips* to me.

Controlled downward pressure my ass...

yimrsg

soma wrote: »

Anyone else disagree with that TMO decision? If given against Ireland I'd be raging - it looked like he bounced it off the ground with his *fingertips* to me.

Controlled downward pressure my ass...

Perfectly good try, downward pressure on the ball is all that's needed. Shouldn't have kicked through that close to the line but worked out.

Russia hit back and it's 12-43.

Micky Dolenz

Ireland take notice. We can't give these lads an inch.

greendom

So its Italy vs Russia and the Ref is talking to the players in English. I didn't realise you had to be bilingual to play international rugby :rolleyes:

dubal

You just need to be able to speak English

Dubal

GerM

greendom wrote: »

So its Italy vs Russia and the Ref is talking to the players in Enlgish. I didn't realise you had to be bilingual to play international rugby :rolleyes:

Or referee?

laugh

greendom wrote: »

So its Italy vs Russia and the Ref is talking to the players in Enlgish. I didn't realise you had to be bilingual to play international rugby :rolleyes:

How on earth would you get an impartial ref that could speak either or both languages?

It's hard enough to find a good ref never mind one who speaks every language in world rugby or even be multi-lingual.

marco_polo

greendom wrote: »

So its Italy vs Russia and the Ref is talking to the players in Enlgish. I didn't realise you had to be bilingual to play international rugby :rolleyes:

You certainly don't have to speak both Italian and Russian to be a ref

greendom

GerM wrote: »

Or referee?

It's always been a bugbear of mine when watching the 6 nations that when France or Italy are playing the ref will invariably be English speaking. A warning will be issued (invariably in English). If English is not your first language then there will at the very least be more time required to process what has been said; alternatively the player doesn't have a clue.

It's a built in advantage to all English speaking players.

yimrsg

greendom wrote: »

It's always been a bugbear of mine when watching the 6 nations that when France or Italy are playing the ref will invariably be English speaking. A warning will be issued (invariably in English). If English is not your first language then there will at the very least be more time required to process what has been said; alternatively the player doesn't have a clue.

It's a built in advantage to all English speaking players.

There are 4 nations in the 6 nations that speak english. You can hardly ask for a ref from Italy or France if they are playing each other? They talk to a fluent speaker in the side to give instructions or warnings or in Rolland's case talk to them in French.

There are far more things that need sorting in rugby before poly lingual referees are required.

greendom

yimrsg wrote: »

There are 4 nations in the 6 nations that speak english. You can hardly ask for a ref from Italy or France if they are playing each other? They talk to a fluent speaker in the side to give instructions or warnings or in Rolland's case talk to them in French.

There are far more things that need sorting in rugby before poly lingual referees are required.

Maybe refs should shut up and let their whistles and signing do the talking rather than providing an advantage to players who speak their own language

pickarooney

Most of these are bright guys. Learning a few words of English shouldn't be a problem when compared with learning the intricacies of the rules. Do you reckon Nick Mallet speaks to them exclusively in Italian?

Cypher_sounds

3 tries for the russians all the same.

GerM

greendom wrote: »

Maybe refs should shut up and let their whistles and signing do the talking rather than providing an advantage to players who speak their own language

Nearly all referees communicate the basic terms (which is all that is required) in the language of the team playing in the 6N i.e. release, numbers, get back, stop etc. They don't need to say more until there's a break in play at which point a fluent speaker deals with them.

yimrsg

greendom wrote: »

Maybe refs should shut up and let their whistles and signing do the talking rather than providing an advantage to players who speak their own language

So how do player's know whether it's a ruck, whether it's knock on advantage or penalty advantage? It's already a massively complex system for refs without complicating it further.

Should referees take classes in rugby languages and interpretive dance so there is no need for the english language to sully your ears?

greendom

pickarooney wrote: »

Most of these are bright guys. Learning a few words of English shouldn't be a problem when compared with learning the intricacies of the rules. Do you reckon Nick Mallet speaks to them exclusively in Italian?

Yeah that's a good point but it makes me wonder how many of the home international players can speak another language (apart from Welsh and Irish of course).

It's at the breakdown that it will really hurt - a command is issued and you have to process that in another language

GerM

Full time 53-17. Italy took their foot off significantly in the second half. Russia kicking the ball dead accidentally when pushing for their bonus try after 80 minutes really sums them up. Dodgy scrum, poor line out, poor goal kicking and poor handling. If Australia's backs are on song, they could put 80 on them.

marco_polo

greendom wrote: »

Yeah that's a good point but it makes me wonder how many of the home international players can speak another language (apart from Welsh and Irish of course).

It's at the breakdown that it will really hurt - a command is issued and you have to process that in another language

It was worse before referees were allowed to issue instruction at the breakdown.

There are really very few words a ref actually uses during the course of open play and it would not take long to learn them all. I would wager that all international games between two teams that do not have a common language are refereed in english anyway, so it is not unique to this world cup.

Beside probably 95% + of the time a player is well aware he is infringing, the ref is just letting them know that he see them, rather than stop the game immediately.

cgpg5

Surprised at the margin of the victory, the Italians will have a massive performance for us no doubt. However we'll be going into the game hopefully on the back of a demolishing of Russia and a huge win over the Aussies; I'd expect us to see it through. We said before the tournament that the Italian game was the key game for us, well that still hasn't changed.

greendom

GerM wrote: »

Nearly all referees communicate the basic terms (which is all that is required) in the language of the team playing in the 6N i.e. release, numbers, get back, stop etc. They don't need to say more until there's a break in play at which point a fluent speaker deals with them.

That happens sometimes, certainly not always.

irishbucsfan

I remember playing a French team and the ref had to ask someone on the opposition to translate after a particular infraction.

But apart from that there were no issues at all. It's really not hard to understand. I'd imagine professional players are very well prepared for it.

greendom

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I remember playing a French team and the ref had to ask someone on the opposition to translate after a particular infraction.

But apart from that there were no issues at all. It's really not hard to understand. I'd imagine professional players are very well prepared for it.

I've haven't played since school and never with foreign players or a foreign ref, so I'll take your word for it.

Just me then. Thanks for putting me right guys.

castie

greendom wrote: »

Yeah that's a good point but it makes me wonder how many of the home international players can speak another language (apart from Welsh and Irish of course).

It's at the breakdown that it will really hurt - a command is issued and you have to process that in another language

My dog learned the word bold fairly fast and I doubt he speaks english but hes dam fast to run if someone calls him it.

Micky Dolenz

Comparing the italians and Russians to dogs is right ruff.

donfers

if italy don't get a bonus point against usa and we get a bonus against russia and a losing bonus against italy then even a defeat will put us through

it would be nice to have a bit of pressure off going into the italy game knowing a losing bonus would put us through - still italy could well get the four try bonus against the usa making it a do or die battle, now we are looking back to the usa game regretting not getting the bonus - typical


regardless of all the permutations however if we don't beat italy then we deserve to go home

freyners

i know the Russians were p*ss poor at spells but had to be impressed with one or two individual performances...wingers look threatening with ball in hand and the back row are decent carriers....Russian 8 deserved his MotM

Saying that...we shud equal if not better that italian performance no matter how many changes.

(on the languages point..ive played a game or two in france and believe me...you know when your infringing and you pick up the words for penalty..knock on etc etc real quick)