Will this be the year?

Peyton Manning

...that one of the following happens:

a) Dan Marino's regular season 5,084 passing yards record is broken

or

b) The Dolphins perfect season is matched?

Poll allows for multiple choice, so pick two options - one answer for each question. Just a fun poll I was interested in seeing the answer to

mikemac

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Make the poll public so we can come back at the end of season and see who gets praise

edit, poll up now and this was done

The Sparrow

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

No and No.

Chucky the tree

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

I don't think the perfect season will be broken. Straight off the bat I don't think the Raven or Texans have any chance. As for the other 3, I think with the lockout injuries will stack up and once teams lock up homefield advantage they will rest players. After what happened last time Patriots when 16-0 not sure they'd be going all guns to do it again an playing starters in there last game. Their schedule isn't the worst though. Eagles and Steelers will be tough and even Manning might be back for the colts.

Peyton Manning

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

A few stats for the passing record after week 1.

Tom Brady needs to average 304 yards a game for the rest of the season to beat the record. Drew Brees needs to average 311, Aaron Rodgers needs 318, Philip Rivers needs 316 and Schaub needs 324.

Just goes to show how huge a season Marino had, and how unfortunate Brees was not to break it a few years ago.

mikemac

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

I must say I find it very smug to see the retired Dolphins popping champagne every season when the last unbeaten team gets beat

It was often the Colts or the Saints when they started playing second stringers to rest before the playoffs

Hey it's their record and they can do what they want I suppose

Mr. Guappa

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

I can't see the perfect season happening. The chances are lessened further than normal this season due to the lockout.

I voted Rodgers in the other poll but I think that a second QB (Brady) could also pass Marino. There seems to be more bad teams than normal this year, and in particular some very poor defensive backfields.

GoldFour4

Tom_Brady wrote: »

A few stats for the passing record after week 1.

Tom Brady needs to average 304 yards a game for the rest of the season to beat the record. Drew Brees needs to average 311, Aaron Rodgers needs 318, Philip Rivers needs 316 and Schaub needs 324.

Just goes to show how huge a season Marino had, and how unfortunate Brees was not to break it a few years ago.

What about Cam Newton ?

HeartOfTheCity

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

I voted 'no' to the perfect season, but went out on a limb and said that BOTH Brady and Brees will break Marino's record. This is why I'm a terrible gambler.

barbarians

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Perfect season ain't going to happen anyway.

Rogers to beat the passing record in the Packers' quest for a successive Super Bowl (which they'll win too).

WakeyTyke

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Think the League is far too competitive for a perfect season.

Think Rodgers has a good chance of beating Marino's record though.

Packers philosophy is to throw, throw, throw, Rodgers is on fire and he has 5 hot receivers, Jermichael Findley and 4 other tight ends, plus 3 running backs who have good hands to throw to.

Peyton Manning

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

So, just to update the Dan Marino record watch:

Tom Brady (940 yards after 2 games) needs an average of 296 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Aaron Rodgers (620 yards after 2 games) needs an average of 320 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Philip Rivers (713 yards after 2 games) needs an average of 313 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Drew Brees (689 yards after 2 games) needs an average of 314 yards per game for the rest of the saeson to break the record.

...and our dark horse, Cam Newton (854 yards after 2 games) needs an average of 302 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

D3PO

Pfft Brady is only on course to break 7500 yards this regular season. Needs to pull his finger out :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Peyton Manning

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Update

Tom Brady (1,327 yards after 3 games) needs an average of 289 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Aaron Rodgers (917 yards after 3 games) needs an average of 320 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Philip Rivers (979 yards after 3 games) needs an average of 367 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Drew Brees (1,059 yards after 3 games) needs an average of 310 yards per game for the rest of the saeson to break the record.

...and our dark horse, Cam Newton (1,012 yards after 3 games) needs an average of 313 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Chucky the tree

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

If Brady was in a dome he'd have a great chance but he's yardage in late december at home will take a big dip because of weather conditions which will kill his chances.

Mr. Guappa

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Update: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/28/brady-brees-rodgers-remain-ahead-of-pace-for-marinos-record/

After a crazy start to this NFL season, the passing numbers in the NFL have come back to earth a bit recently, with only three quarterbacks topping 300 yards in Week Seven.

But three quarterbacks remain on pace to break Dan Marino’s NFL record for passing yards in a season. In 1984, Marino passed for 5,084 yards. This year Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers are all ahead of Marino’s pace.

As he has been since throwing for 517 yards in Week One, Brady is leading the way. With 2,163 yards in six games, Brady is on pace to finish the season with 5,768 — well ahead of Marino’s mark.

Slightly behind Brady’s pace is Drew Brees, who has 2,477 yards in seven games and is on pace for 5,662. Brees is coming off a stunning game against the Colts, when he completed 31 of 35 passes for 325 yards, with five touchdowns and no interceptions. He also passed up an opportunity to pad his stats, coming out of the game late in the third quarter.

Rodgers has 2,372 yards in seven games, putting him on pace for 5,421 yards on the season, and he may be having the best season of anyone, with a passer rating of 125.7. (Peyton Manning’s single-season record is 121.1.)

Marino said early this month that he thought four or five guys could break his record. That’s overstating things, but not by a lot: If Brady, Brees and Rodgers all stay healthy, all three of them have a real chance.

Pherekydes

Perfect Season - Patriots to do it

Update entering the 4th quarter

Drew Brees (4031 yards) needs an average of 263 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Tom Brady (3916 yards) needs an average of 292 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Aaron Rodgers (3844 yards) needs an average of 310 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Eli Manning (3705 yards) needs an average of 345 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.


...and rookie, Cam Newton (3297 yards) is on pace for 4396 yds, and needs an average of 111 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the rookie record.

Dohnny Jepp

Perfect Season - Texans to do it

Before the start of the season, i got 40/1 for a team going 0-16 and 25/1 for a team going 16-0.

me-skywalker

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

In terms of history is this the one of the greatest periods of QB's? How would this period of QB's rank amongst other periods?

Has there ever been a period in the NFL where there are so many elite QB's all vying for top position? Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton, Rothlisberger, Eli. Other great and other up and coming QB's also in the league; Rivers, Stafford, Flacco, Newton, Freeman, Tebow(...).

Looking at the QB's alone I feel priviliged to be able to watch so many future HOF's for so many different teams playing great passing ball week in week out.

Im genuily excited looking at the talent in the league atm and i'm only watching it the last 5years. Do any more experience students, fans, watchers have any thoughts on this?

TaosHum

Fair play to anyone who breaks Marino's record. At least its a record that can only be beaten by a HOF standard QB.

However, the rules today are totally designed to favor the passing game and thats continuing with each year. I know its academic, but posting over 5000 passing yards in 1984 was alot more difficult than it is today.

Chucky the tree

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

me-skywalker wrote: »

In terms of history is this the one of the greatest periods of QB's? How would this period of QB's rank amongst other periods?

Has there ever been a period in the NFL where there are so many elite QB's all vying for top position? Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton, Rothlisberger, Eli. Other great and other up and coming QB's also in the league; Rivers, Stafford, Flacco, Newton, Freeman, Tebow(...).

Looking at the QB's alone I feel priviliged to be able to watch so many future HOF's for so many different teams playing great passing ball week in week out.

Im genuily excited looking at the talent in the league atm and i'm only watching it the last 5years. Do any more experience students, fans, watchers have any thoughts on this?

I was going to ask the question but I think this is one of the worst years for quarterbacks in awhile. Brees, Brady and Rodgers are light years ahead of everyone else while a lot of young guys have not pushed on as expected. Manning being injured hasn't helped but I've been very disappointed in alot of the following:

Flacco- Joe average. He did moved up a notched last year but this year he's been poor. 13TDs on the season is really bad.
Freeman - Nose dived terribly aswell this year. Very hard to judge how good he is.
Matt Ryan - Always felt he was over-rated and has done anything to change my mind.
Mark Sanchez - lol
Matthew Stafford - Done well, but again has been at the level I expected. Injury again has caused him difficulties.
Bradford - His on a terrible team with few weapons but I still didn't expect him to be this bad.

GoldFour4

me-skywalker wrote: »

In terms of history is this the one of the greatest periods of QB's? How would this period of QB's rank amongst other periods?

Has there ever been a period in the NFL where there are so many elite QB's all vying for top position? Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton, Rothlisberger, Eli. Other great and other up and coming QB's also in the league; Rivers, Stafford, Flacco, Newton, Freeman, Tebow(...).

Looking at the QB's alone I feel priviliged to be able to watch so many future HOF's for so many different teams playing great passing ball week in week out.

Im genuily excited looking at the talent in the league atm and i'm only watching it the last 5years. Do any more experience students, fans, watchers have any thoughts on this?

Its great that theres lots of good QBs' but you can't really call the likes of Flacco and Rivers up and coming. I'd throw Riers in with the elite QB anyway, I think hes over his bad start.

Arawn

ehm ignore this, should of scrolled up!

Arawn

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Before the start of the season, i got 40/1 for a team going 0-16 and 25/1 for a team going 16-0.

where'd you get those odds??


Can only assume you took the 0-16 hoping the colts would implode without peyton?? ( wait it wasn't known his injury pre season was it??)


Great shouts tbh, Mind asking if it was a decent stake?

Dohnny Jepp

Perfect Season - Texans to do it

5er each on paddy power.

I have to admit it wasnt a great shout. I just got over excited at the thoughts of the season starting and was looking for interesting bets to put money on.

I didn't even put any thought into which team would go 16 - 0 or 0 - 16.

Peyton Manning

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

I only got odds of 8/1 on a team going unbeaten with PP

(Didn't back it, didn't like those odds)

me-skywalker

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

malachyscott wrote: »

Its great that theres lots of good QBs' but you can't really call the likes of Flacco and Rivers up and coming. I'd throw Riers in with the elite QB anyway, I think hes over his bad start.

I didnt mean that as one category I meant it as 2:

other great and other up and coming

.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I was going to ask the question but I think this is one of the worst years for quarterbacks in awhile. Brees, Brady and Rodgers are light years ahead of everyone else while a lot of young guys have not pushed on as expected. Manning being injured hasn't helped but I've been very disappointed in alot of the following:

Flacco- Joe average. He did moved up a notched last year but this year he's been poor. 13TDs on the season is really bad.
Freeman - Nose dived terribly aswell this year. Very hard to judge how good he is.
Matt Ryan - Always felt he was over-rated and has done anything to change my mind.
Mark Sanchez - lol
Matthew Stafford - Done well, but again has been at the level I expected. Injury again has caused him difficulties.
Bradford - His on a terrible team with few weapons but I still didn't expect him to be this bad.

Of course its going to be tought to judge on an individual season basis but I mean as a period in time as a whole this 3-6years. I would give Freeman, Stafford more time I think they've done enough to be given the next year or 2 to be judged for posterity.
Agree with Flacco he's at a point where Sanchez has foudn himself to push on personally to the next level, stay consisently average or fall backwards.

Dohnny Jepp

Perfect Season - Texans to do it

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

5er each on paddy power.

I have to admit it wasnt a great shout. I just got over excited at the thoughts of the season starting and was looking for interesting bets to put money on.

I didn't even put any thought into which team would go 16 - 0 or 0 - 16.

For example, ryan mathews to have most rushing yards, 49ers to have worst record, manning or ryan or calvin johnson for mvp, Chargers or ravens fro superbowl. Chiefs, dolphin, titans to top their divisions.

I had some stinkers:o

Pherekydes

Perfect Season - Patriots to do it

Update after week 14

Drew Brees (4368 yards) needs an average of 239 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Tom Brady (4273 yards) needs an average of 270.3 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Aaron Rodgers (4125 yards) needs an average of 326.3 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Eli Manning (4105 yards) needs an average of 320 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.


...and rookie, Cam Newton (3573 yards) is on pace for 4398 yds, and needs only 167 yards to break the rookie record.

At this point, Brees and Brady seem certain to break the record. Rodgers, with possible reduced playing time less so, and on the stand side, Eli Manning, with the Giants playing for their play-off lives, could go close.

death1234567

5,084 Passing Yards - Drew Brees to beat it

TaosHum wrote: »

However, the rules today are totally designed to favor the passing game and thats continuing with each year.

I know its academic, but posting over 5000 passing yards in 1984 was alot more difficult than it is today.

Its not really academic though, it looks very likely that someone will break marino's record this season (probably brees) but IMO it won't compare to what Marino achieved. In his day the rules weren't slanted in favour of the passing game, CB's could actually play rather than be forced to run alongside WR's and watch them catch balls and linemen could hit a QB rather than give him a gentle hug as they are forced to today.

Le King

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Dan Marino's record will never really be beaten. His achievement is just simply greater.

cooker3

Pherekydes wrote: »

Update after week 14

Drew Brees (4368 yards) needs an average of 239 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Tom Brady (4273 yards) needs an average of 270.3 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Aaron Rodgers (4125 yards) needs an average of 326.3 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Eli Manning (4105 yards) needs an average of 320 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.


...and rookie, Cam Newton (3573 yards) is on pace for 4398 yds, and needs only 167 yards to break the rookie record.

At this point, Brees and Brady seem certain to break the record. Rodgers, with possible reduced playing time less so, and on the stand side, Eli Manning, with the Giants playing for their play-off lives, could go close.

How does Rodgers get more yards than Eli and yet need to average more?

Pherekydes

Perfect Season - Patriots to do it

cooker3 wrote: »

How does Rodgers get more yards than Eli and yet need to average more?

It seems I managed to switch the yds needed for the two of them. Well spotted.

Pherekydes

Perfect Season - Patriots to do it

Update after week 15

Drew Brees (4780 yards) needs just 305 yards to break the record.

Tom Brady (4593 yards) needs an average of 245.5 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Eli Manning (4362 yards) needs an average of 361 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record.

Aaron Rodgers (4360 yards) needs an average of 362 yards per game for the rest of the season to break the record. He needs 99 yds to break Lynn Dickey's single season record for the Packers, which was set in 1983.


...and rookie, Cam Newton (3722 yards) needs only 18 yards to break Peyton Manning's rookie record.

Peyton Manning

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Looks like Brady and Brees will break the record, with the latter setting the new one.

spiralism

Peyton Manning wrote: »

Looks like Brady and Brees will break the record, with the latter setting the new one.

Brees deserves it, he was so close in 08 it was unfair. Maybe Marino's is the more impressive record but if Brees beats it by 3-400 odd yards, which is possible, it's hard to argue with that!

Trippie

I think probably a more accurate stat would be to see how far Marino was above the average QB yardage for the year and then apply that to this seasons stats and work out what a truly unique stat would be as it has to be diminished somewhat if 4 guys are all capable or beating it

Arawn

I'm eg going to go out on a limb here and guess that yes Brees will beat it :pac:

davyjose

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Brees has been phenomenal this year, and has kinda slid under the radar. The MVP race is not over by a long shot. Particularly if he smashes an almost 30 year old record (which barring injury, he will).

Pherekydes

Perfect Season - Patriots to do it

Well done, Drew Brees! After only 15 games, too.

Brady needs 187 yds to move to #2, while Manning needs 497. Rodgers needs only 441, but it seems highly unlikely that he'll play more than a half, at absolute tops. More likely he'll sit.

If he sits another record is gone. That of Peyton Manning, the single season passer rating record. If he plays, he'll need to keep his rating above 100, though this figure depends on the number of passes thrown.

Congrats to Cam Newton, who also surpassed Peyton Manning's single season rookie yardage record.

I think Marino's achievement was better because he was...ummm...uhhh...cooler! Come on, Miami in the 80s...;)

me-skywalker

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Well done Bree's fantastic acheivement, he deserved it and his name will now be etched beside an actual meaningful QB statistic that can be used to back up/measure how good he is alongside his SB ring.

So since Bree's has it all the yards the other QB's need should reflect Bree's new yards along with the game he has left.

Brady will beat Marino's record easily enough but still won't be good enough to top Bree's, won't be the record but still an example of a great season he had.... or is the fact so many players have come close to it show how bad teams defense are against the pass? How great these QB's really are? Combination of both I'ld say.

Danger_dave1

I've been wondering about the Brees beating Marino's record . They don't really compare do they ?

Marino's is by far and away much more impressive is it not ? Marino threw 564 passe's. Brees has already attempted 622 passes. Plus all the changes to what you can do at the line. Bumping people in coverage. The change with leading with the helmet ( A good thing ) but receivers /tight ends can take the ball in the middle without of fear of decapitation. Add in the protection quarterback's now have on how defenses can hit them . Again its a good thing, but..........

Marino's record has to stand out. As the greatest single season record for passing. Regardless what Brees puts up against the panthers horrible defense.

Peyton Manning

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Even ignoring the change in rules, how the NFL now favours the passing game - the fact that it took Brees 78 more completions - that's completions, not just attempts - to break Marino's record speaks volumes for just how out of this world Marino's season was. It won't ever be touched.

davyjose

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

Marino also chucked a then record (which would also stand for 20 years) 48 TD's. But more tellingly. Only 2 other QB's threw for 4,000 yards that season. Already 6 other's (aside from Brees) have thrown in 4,000+ with a game to go. The game is different.

Marino's record, is still one of those records that stands even after it was broken. Like Babe Ruth in baseball, just by the sheer longevity of it. It's like the Empire state building, or something, it's not the tallest building in the world, but there's none more impressive, for the sheer audacity of what it stood for.

Right, I've had enough to drink :P

Another drunken love-in for Marino by yours truly. I just think it's a shame the best cast he had around him was at such a young age. I truly believe he coulda been inarguably regarded the best, had he had a better cast around him.

HeartOfTheCity

Perfect Season - Packers to do it

HeartOfTheCity wrote: »

I voted 'no' to the perfect season, but went out on a limb and said that BOTH Brady and Brees will break Marino's record. This is why I'm a terrible gambler.

Balls, why didn't I put actual money on this...