Noise: Free weekly paper being delivered at 6am

rom

One of the local free papers is delivered at 6 am. Its fired in the letterbox and wakes me up once a week. I rang the paper to get my house taken off the list but it has not helped. The editor basically says "Its my problem". Old people living alone on my road are woken up by this. Its really very early. How can I get them to stop this as it way too early ?

Milk & Honey

Two methods.

1. Seal up your letterbox the night before.

2. Get some orange boxes. The shallow wooden type. Put cow dung in them, cover with grass and leaves etc. Place them outside your door so that anyone accessing the letterbox will stand in them.

rom

Milk & Honey wrote: »

Two methods.

1. Seal up your letterbox the night before.

2. Get some orange boxes. The shallow wooden type. Put cow dung in them, cover with grass and leaves etc. Place them outside your door so that anyone accessing the letterbox will stand in them.

Looking for a more permenant solution

Little sign;

"No junk mail or newspapers please"

coylemj

jeckle

If you're going to be woke up at 6am anyway, why not set your alarm for 5.55am & tell them not to deliver to your address?

rom

Deleted User wrote: »

Little sign;

"No junk mail or newspapers please"

Was thinking this but wife not happy with an ugly sign on the door.

jeckle wrote: »

If you're going to be woke up at 6am anyway, why not set your alarm for 5.55am & tell them not to deliver to your address?

Well I did. But he probably won't deliver but in a months time it could be someone else doing the route.

TylerIE

Does the free newspaper have any principle advertisers?

I am sure that they would be interested in hearing that their adverts are counter productive. Ten phone calls from a few people in the road might go a long way...

Esp if you perhaps suggested to the editor that he just creates a do not deliver list... if he refused,Then tell the advertisers

rom

TylerIE wrote: »

Does the free newspaper have any principle advertisers?

I am sure that they would be interested in hearing that their adverts are counter productive. Ten phone calls from a few people in the road might go a long way...

Esp if you perhaps suggested to the editor that he just creates a do not deliver list... if he refused,Then tell the advertisers

Its all of Ballincollig that they do this. I personally would rather deal with it by a law they are breaking than going down that route but I am tempted. Just want it to stop. Was on the phone to her this evening and by god she believes that they have a devine right to deliver her rag at that time in the morning.

Contra Proferentem

If there's curtilage around you house, you should try writing to them to withdraw their implied right of access to put stuff through your door.

They can't put stuff in the door if they've been refused permission to enter your property. Possibly it won't do anything. I'd stick up one of these babies:

rom

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

If there's curtilage around you house, you should try writing to them to withdraw their implied right of access to put stuff through your door.

They can't put stuff in the door if they've been refused permission to enter your property. Possibly it won't do anything. I'd stick up one of these babies:

Its pitch dark when they deliver so I don't think they would see/notice it.

Xpsgamer

rom wrote: »

One of the local free papers is delivered at 6 am. Its fired in the letterbox and wakes me up once a week. I rang the paper to get my house taken off the list but it has not helped. The editor basically says "Its my problem". Old people living alone on my road are woken up by this. Its really very early. How can I get them to stop this as it way too early ?

nuac

It is unreasonable to call to houses at 6.a.m. sticking newspapers in letter boxes - in most areas the post is not that early.

aujopimur

A shot of the garden hose through the letter box should do the trick.

rom

It has become the principle of the matter that this "Editor" things that its OK. It may be a cut-throat world in the sector and I haven't got an issue with them stuffing the bin filler in the letterbox but as a very very light sleeper I think someone is breaking in when I hear it. I have read on the citizens advice that you can get onto the local authority to try to get them to stop. My wife is 8 1/2 months pregnant and if this wakes up the baby then Xpsgamer solution may be an option.

MapForJ

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

If there's curtilage around you house, you should try writing to them to withdraw their implied right of access to put stuff through your door.

They can't put stuff in the door if they've been refused permission to enter your property. Possibly it won't do anything. I'd stick up one of these babies:

could one put that sign on a rented or locla authority house? Is it then private to the resident or land lord and can the resident invoke the landlords right to privacy if he has one?

jblack

Cease and desist letter threatening action and removing implied license to enter property with notice of personal liability of the editor along with the paper.

Or the fun way; find out the name of the editor, get her address and bang on her door at 6am.

Obviously don't touch the delivery boy as that's assault. Keep you garden hose sheathed...

coylemj

jblack wrote: »

Or the fun way; find out the name of the editor, get her address and bang on her door at 6am.

Easier if you can get her landline number, then ring her every time you are woken up by the delivery.

not even wrong

rom wrote: »

Was thinking this but wife not happy with an ugly sign on the door.

If you're not willing to put up a small unobtrusive sign on your letterbox then clearly the problem isn't annoying you that much.

TylerIE

not even wrong wrote: »

If you're not willing to put up a small unobtrusive sign on your letterbox then clearly the problem isn't annoying you that much.

Every house on my street in Dublin has one of these signs and they are rather unsightly. Furthermore a lot of junk mail providers just ignore them!

I also empathise with the OP in that he is only requesting one specific newspaper to stop delivery, not junk mail in general, so the newspaper should just comply with his wishes seeing as he has contacted them.

rom

not even wrong wrote: »

If you're not willing to put up a small unobtrusive sign on your letterbox then clearly the problem isn't annoying you that much.

Its pitch dark when they deliver. Unless its glow in the dark they won't be able to read it.

SlimCi

Put up the note for a week or so and then ring her and tell her you'll sue her for littering your premises with unwanted papers. Or tell her you'll go on Joe....!:) or Neil!

rom

SlimCi wrote: »

Put up the note for a week or so and then ring her and tell her you'll sue her for littering your premises with unwanted papers. Or tell her you'll go on Joe....!:) or Neil!

Neil used to write for it

SlimCi

Oh christ typical Cork lol:D

v300

Get yourself an external wall mounted mailbox along the lines of the products in this link, and remove the traditional letterbox.

http://www.mailboxnet.com/wall_mount_mailboxes/wall_mount_large_cast_mailboxes.html

amdublin

rom wrote: »

It has become the principle of the matter that this "Editor" things that its OK. It may be a cut-throat world in the sector and I haven't got an issue with them stuffing the bin filler in the letterbox but as a very very light sleeper I think someone is breaking in when I hear it. I have read on the citizens advice that you can get onto the local authority to try to get them to stop. My wife is 8 1/2 months pregnant and if this wakes up the baby then Xpsgamer solution may be an option.

Ah bless, the innocence

When baby comes along, chances are you'll all be awake and delighted with your newspaper to read

rom

amdublin wrote: »

Ah bless, the innocence

When baby comes along, chances are you'll all be awake and delighted with your newspaper to read

Your too cruel

nuac

Best of luck with the baby Amdublin

angeline

I got a lovely gold sign with black lettering from ebay and it is self adhesive. Just says 'No Junk Mail', and I have not received one free paper since.

amdublin

nuac wrote: »

Best of luck with the baby Amdublin

Thanks Nuac but not my baby.

It is the op Rom's wife who is having the baby.

SlimCi

I am from Ballincollig too and have a huge sign on my patio door NO JUNK MAIL and it still comes in. They definitely don't think their paper is junk mail I'm afraid. I've actually seen a guy in a hiace dropping off the lads to deliver the papers so if you could time it right and catch them and tell them not to deliver maybe that would work.:)

280special

Once you have the sign in place they are oblidged not to deliver,If they dont provide their messengers with the means to read any signage in the dark thats tough on them , they will still be liable !!

ANSI

280special wrote: »

Once you have the sign in place they are oblidged not to deliver,If they dont provide their messengers with the means to read any signage in the dark thats tough on them , they will still be liable !!

liable for what to whom? Who would OP complain to ?

rom

SlimCi wrote: »

I am from Ballincollig too and have a huge sign on my patio door NO JUNK MAIL and it still comes in. They definitely don't think their paper is junk mail I'm afraid. I've actually seen a guy in a hiace dropping off the lads to deliver the papers so if you could time it right and catch them and tell them not to deliver maybe that would work.:)

Tried that. Didn't get it last Friday. Neil was talking about it on the radio that someone else is getting it at 4 am.

The_Snapper

rom wrote: »

Neil used to write for it

This issue was highlighted on his show last week.

Get back onto the young lady editor & tell her to stop disturbing your peace. It is her problem. If that fails then get onto their CEO's office.

I have a sign on my letterbox which says "No Free Newspapers or Junk Mail". It has stopped the rubbish coming through 100%.

rom

The_Snapper wrote: »

This issue was highlighted on his show last week.

Get back onto the young lady editor & tell her to stop disturbing your peace. It is her problem. If that fails then get onto their CEO's office.

I have a sign on my letterbox which says "No Free Newspapers or Junk Mail". It has stopped the rubbish coming through 100%.

She is young but not a lady by her attitude. It seems to have stopped now. Used the approach

- Texting her phone
- Ringing her
- Messaging her on Facebook
- Emailing her
- Posting on the Cork News Facebook page (before they locked it down)

Basic trolling. Hope they get the message but you never know.

dshamrock2000

I put up a sign "No Junk Mail, No Sales People" caught one lad coming in with one of those clothes stickers / bag and my wife ran by me and directed him to the green recycling bin

edanto

Fair play to ya rom - that's persistence paying off!

rom

So they delivered it again this morning.

RandolphEsq

Fix the letterbox, that's clearly the problem! Put a cushion under it so the newspaper doesn't make a noise when it hits the floor and get a letterbox that doesn't make a noise when a letter is pushed through it.

mystiq

What they are doing is trespass to land. Unlike post, they do not have legal right to trespass onto your property. You could go to court seeking injunction.

Contra Proferentem

mystiq wrote: »

What they are doing is trespass to land. Unlike post, they do not have legal right to trespass onto your property. You could go to court seeking injunction.

As a matter of interest, at the current rate how much is that likely to cost? Based on the assumption it wouldn't be fought against by the paper.

Kosseegan

Contra Proferentem wrote: »

As a matter of interest, at the current rate how much is that likely to cost? Based on the assumption it wouldn't be fought against by the paper.

About 5k. Each side.

rom

5k lol

seamus

mystiq wrote: »

What they are doing is trespass to land. Unlike post, they do not have legal right to trespass onto your property. You could go to court seeking injunction.

There is an implied permission to enter onto your land where a path or other entrance on your land exists, leading the person up to your home.
It can only be considered trespass if they have to bypass a barrier or otherwise are aware that the above implied permission to enter does not exist.

Or in other words, if you have a driveway or path leading up to your door, then it's implied that a visitor has permission to enter onto your driveway and up to your door, until you tell them otherwise. If you have no gates and a garden path and you tried to sue someone delivering a newspaper for trespass you'd be laughed out of the place.

I'm not sure what the story is with closed (not locked) gates, but I imagine that implies that people do not have permission to enter onto your land.

edanto

OP - Have a look at the other thread about implied permission, posts 15 & 16

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056392058

I've no idea how accurate the suggestion is - but it seems like you might have a route to withdraw the implied permission for a specific party. And if they refuse to comply, you can charge them a trespassing fee.

Even if it's junk advice, following it might scare them enough to stop delivering!

(but you would have to put up a notice in front of the house - and you had previously not wanted to do that)

Milk & Honey

seamus wrote: »

There is an implied permission to enter onto your land where a path or other entrance on your land exists, leading the person up to your home.
It can only be considered trespass if they have to bypass a barrier or otherwise are aware that the above implied permission to enter does not exist.

Or in other words, if you have a driveway or path leading up to your door, then it's implied that a visitor has permission to enter onto your driveway and up to your door, until you tell them otherwise. If you have no gates and a garden path and you tried to sue someone delivering a newspaper for trespass you'd be laughed out of the place.

I'm not sure what the story is with closed (not locked) gates, but I imagine that implies that people do not have permission to enter onto your land.

Once someone has been expressly told not to enter land any implied permission is withdrawn. Once someone is told to get out of a premises they become a trespasser if they linger.
The o/p should send a registered letter to the publisher of the newspaper telling them that nobody is to enter his premises for the purpose of delivering the newspaper. It would be no laughing matter if an application for an injunction was made. Costs plus damages would be significant.