Intolerant Attitude Toward Christians

alex73

http://www.zenit.org/article-33443?l=english

Very interesting article

lottpaul

alex73 wrote: »

http://www.zenit.org/article-33443?l=english

Very interesting article

Thanks for the link. Interesting, yes, but not in the way one might hope.

The Reverend Metropolitan is having a bit of a whinge I think.
In fact, I'd be far more impressed if the Russian Orthodox Church displayed a slightly more tolerant attitude itself to the presence in Russia of other Christian churches. It regards itself as a state church in all but name and in the recent past has relentlessly tried to exclude all other churches from modern Russia.

He refers for example to how Christians who criticise the "social evil" of homosexuality are "ostracised" or "severely discriminated against".
This, even if true, would pale into nothingness to the homophobia (often violent and full of hatred, ridicule and oppression) which abounds in much of Russian society, and which I hope - but doubt- the Metropolitan would condemn.

If he expects to be shown tolerance he and his church should first be prepared to show some themselves.

Fanny Cradock

There is an interesting discussion here by J. Budziszewski (pronounced Budg-e-cheif-ski) on tolerance. He splits his talk into discussion in three areas:

1) Quantitative fallacy - the idea that the more you tolerate the more tolerant you are.
2) Skeptical fallacy - the idea that a morally skepticical attitude is the best foundation for tolerance
3) Apologetic fallacy - the idea that expressing strong convictions about right and wrong is intolerant

http://www.veritas.org/Media.aspx#!/v/737

strobe

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

There is an interesting discussion here by J. Budziszewski (pronounced Budg-e-cheif-ski) on tolerance. He splits his talk into discussion in three areas:

1) Quantitative fallacy - the idea that the more you tolerate the more tolerant you are.
2) Skeptical fallacy - the idea that a morally skepticical attitude is the best foundation for tolerance
3) Apologetic fallacy - the idea that expressing strong convictions about right and wrong is intolerant

http://www.veritas.org/Media.aspx#!/v/737

Sounds like a guy that has loads of fun.

Fanny Cradock

soterpisc

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

There is an interesting discussion here by J. Budziszewski (pronounced Budg-e-cheif-ski) on tolerance. He splits his talk into discussion in three areas:

1) Quantitative fallacy - the idea that the more you tolerate the more tolerant you are.
2) Skeptical fallacy - the idea that a morally skepticical attitude is the best foundation for tolerance
3) Apologetic fallacy - the idea that expressing strong convictions about right and wrong is intolerant

http://www.veritas.org/Media.aspx#!/v/737

Excellent post.

Fanny Cradock

He has a few other talks on the Veritas Forum. His journey from atheism to Christianity can be found here.

paddyandy

1. Tolerance is Apathy & Fear in it's Sunday Best Outfit OR 2. We hav'nt a clue what to do.Or 3. We simply hav'nt the inner Strength to deal with it.4. We could look foolish here OR 5.is A acceptance writ small.
It's a recent addition to daily usage in Ireland.Todays Tolerated is tomorrows Norm??? Are we a better Nation with 500+ suicides a year in a tiny population?Not to mention all the other needless deaths.Tolerance is currently Ireland's greatest liability....Think about it!!!!

J C

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

There is an interesting discussion here by J. Budziszewski (pronounced Budg-e-cheif-ski) on tolerance. He splits his talk into discussion in three areas:

1) Quantitative fallacy - the idea that the more you tolerate the more tolerant you are.
Not necessarily true ... most people are very tolerant of the views of those with whom they agree ... and are totally intolerant of those with whom they disagree ... pseudo-liberalism encompasses this particular hypocracy.

2) Skeptical fallacy - the idea that a morally skepticical attitude is the best foundation for tolerance
Not true at all ... I have yet to meet a 'morally skeptical' person who tolerates repeated kicks in the shins ... or any other immoral imposition upon themselves!!!

3) Apologetic fallacy - the idea that expressing strong convictions about right and wrong is intolerant.
Try telling that to the next Judge you come across ... or the next policeman !!!

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SonOfAdam

:rolleyes: ... The very reason it's a fallacy

gimmebroadband

Parliamentary inquiry into persecution of Christianity in Britain.

The British parliament is holding an inquiry to find out whether Christians in Britain face religious discrimination and persecution.
The inquiry was the idea of Gary Streeter MP, a Christian who chairs the cross-party group 'Christians in Parliament.'


http://www.irishcatholic.ie/site/content/parliamentary-inquiry-persecution-christianity-britain

PDN

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Parliamentary inquiry into persecution of Christianity in Britain.

The British parliament is holding an inquiry to find out whether Christians in Britain face religious discrimination and persecution.
The inquiry was the idea of Gary Streeter MP, a Christian who chairs the cross-party group 'Christians in Parliament.'


http://www.irishcatholic.ie/site/content/parliamentary-inquiry-persecution-christianity-britain

Tbh I think calling this kind of thing 'persecution' trivialises those Christians in other parts of the world who face genuine persecution.

Unfair? Yes.

Discrimination? Yes.

Persecution? No.

gimmebroadband

PDN wrote: »

Tbh I think calling this kind of thing 'persecution' trivialises those Christians in other parts of the world who face genuine persecution.

Unfair? Yes.

Discrimination? Yes.

Persecution? No.

Violence and death/execution are the end result of persecution!

Religious persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group of individuals as a response to their religious beliefs or affiliations or lack thereof.
The tendency of societies or groups within society to alienate or repress different subcultures is a recurrent theme in human history. Moreover, because a person's religion often determines to a significant extent his or her morality and personal identity, religious differences can be significant cultural factors.
Religious persecution may be triggered by religious bigotry (i.e. the denigration of practitioners' religions other than those of the oppressors) or by the State when it views a particular religious group as a threat to its interests or security. At a societal level, this dehumanization of a particular religious group may readily turn into violence or other forms of persecution. Indeed, in many countries, religious persecution has resulted in so much violence that it is considered a human rights problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution

ChristianJenny

Yes we do get discrimination for our faith. I have been abused bot verbally and physically trying to teach the word of God in the streets.

Weylin

ChristianJenny wrote: »

Yes we do get discrimination for our faith. I have been abused bot verbally and physically trying to teach the word of God in the streets.

be careful out there,dont risk yourself.pray for your own requests.its not up to you to convert the masses.and if you get injured you will get very little thanks for trying.

ceegee

ChristianJenny wrote: »

Yes we do get discrimination for our faith. I have been abused bot verbally and physically trying to teach the word of God in the streets.

Do you think a non-christian harassing people about their beliefs while they try and go about their day wouldnt receive verbal/physical abuse?

PatricaMcKay2

ChristianJenny wrote: »

Yes we do get discrimination for our faith. I have been abused bot verbally and physically trying to teach the word of God in the streets.

What did our Lord say about not casting pearls before swine?

There is no need in Ireland where everybody if they are so interested can easily check up on what Christianity is about for you to be going out onto the street.

Zombrex

ChristianJenny wrote: »

Yes we do get discrimination for our faith. I have been abused bot verbally and physically trying to teach the word of God in the streets.

While I don't in anyway condone anyone giving you verbal or physical abuse while street preaching, I don't think that is due to your faith, it is due to you street preaching, which makes you a target for any scum bag kid wanting to show off in front of his mates. Anyone who street preaches, irrespective of what they are preaching, risks drawing attention of the wrong sort of people.

People need to careful about how they describe this discrimination, is it actual systematic discrimination based on your religious preference, or is it because of actions one is doing that if anyone else did them the same thing would happen.

This is important because it goes to the root of the issue and if one cannot identify the root of an issue it is more difficult to solve it.

Doctor DooM

Zombrex wrote: »

While I don't in anyway condone anyone giving you verbal or physical abuse while street preaching, I don't think that is due to your faith, it is due to you street preaching, which makes you a target for any scum bag kid wanting to show off in front of his mates. Anyone who street preaches, irrespective of what they are preaching, risks drawing attention of the wrong sort of people.

People need to careful about how they describe this discrimination, is it actual systematic discrimination based on your religious preference, or is it because of actions one is doing that if anyone else did them the same thing would happen.

This is important because it goes to the root of the issue and if one cannot identify the root of an issue it is more difficult to solve it.

Indeed, anyone who makes themselves different, even in the simple act of carrying a guitar around Dublin city a lot, will have similar stories to tell.