(UK) Bring back the cane?

Caveman1

Almost half of parents would be happy to see the return of the cane to restore discipline in the classroom, a survey suggests today.

It found 49 per cent of parents – and 19 per cent of pupils – believe caning or smacking should be used to punish ‘very bad’ behaviour.

In more general cases of ill discipline, 40 per cent of parents and 14 per cent of children favour corporal punishment.


Bring it back: A survey has found that 49 per cent of parents want a return to the cane for very bad behaviour, while nine out of ten want teachers to have more powers to crack down on pupils
While 53 per cent of parents and 77 per cent of children are against the cane, the poll found nine out of ten parents – and two thirds of pupils – want teachers to have more power to crack down on bad behaviour.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, comes just a week after David Cameron pledged to restore order and respect in schools in the wake of last month’s riots. 

Education Secretary Michael Gove continued the tough line yesterday when he said: ‘Parents and students know we have to give teachers more authority. Strong discipline is vital for effective teaching.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038030/Bring-cane-say-half-parents-Cameron-pledges-restore-order-schools-following-riots.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



Would you be in favour of bringing back corporal punishment? I was surprised that almost half of the people surveyed are in favour of it. I couldn't see it being brought back as most teachers I would imagine now wouldn't feel comfortable whacking kids these days, even though they more than likely feel like doing it. I reckon there would be all sorts of lawsuits too. AH wats your thoughts ??

Guill

That's England, this is Ireland.



Bring back the meter stick!

FatherLen

no.

DarkJager

Caveman1 wrote: »

Almost half of parents would be happy to see the return of the cane to restore discipline in the classroom, a survey suggests today.

It found 49 per cent of parents – and 19 per cent of pupils – believe caning or smacking should be used to punish ‘very bad’ behaviour.

In more general cases of ill discipline, 40 per cent of parents and 14 per cent of children favour corporal punishment.


Bring it back: A survey has found that 49 per cent of parents want a return to the cane for very bad behaviour, while nine out of ten want teachers to have more powers to crack down on pupils
While 53 per cent of parents and 77 per cent of children are against the cane, the poll found nine out of ten parents – and two thirds of pupils – want teachers to have more power to crack down on bad behaviour.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, comes just a week after David Cameron pledged to restore order and respect in schools in the wake of last month’s riots. 

Education Secretary Michael Gove continued the tough line yesterday when he said: ‘Parents and students know we have to give teachers more authority. Strong discipline is vital for effective teaching.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038030/Bring-cane-say-half-parents-Cameron-pledges-restore-order-schools-following-riots.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



Would you be in favour of bringing back corporal punishment? I was surprised that almost half of the people surveyed are in favour of it. I couldn't see it being brought back as most teachers I would imagine now wouldn't feel comfortable whacking kids these days, even though they more than likely feel like doing it. I reckon there would be all sorts of lawsuits too. AH wats your thoughts ??

Knowing the type of scumbags around today, a cane is going to end up being the death of the teacher.

Im Only 71Kg

brin' back spelling tests

Caveman1

DarkJager wrote: »

Knowing the type of scumbags around today, a cane is going to end up being the death of the teacher.

Exactly. You give a little runt a smack and he'd probaly pull a knife out of his bag

Lord TSC

Given how teachers are told not to even be in the same room alone with a student for fear of being sued, I can imagine the legal fun which would be had if teachers were "allowed" to start hitting students :pac:

mikom

Caveman1 wrote: »

Brin back the cane

I loved him in Gavin and Stacey.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Caveman1 wrote: »

Almost half of parents would be happy to see the return of the cane to restore discipline in the classroom, a survey suggests today.

It found 49 per cent of parents – and 19 per cent of pupils – believe caning or smacking should be used to punish ‘very bad’ behaviour.

In more general cases of ill discipline, 40 per cent of parents and 14 per cent of children favour corporal punishment.


Bring it back: A survey has found that 49 per cent of parents want a return to the cane for very bad behaviour, while nine out of ten want teachers to have more powers to crack down on pupils
While 53 per cent of parents and 77 per cent of children are against the cane, the poll found nine out of ten parents – and two thirds of pupils – want teachers to have more power to crack down on bad behaviour.

The survey, conducted by YouGov, comes just a week after David Cameron pledged to restore order and respect in schools in the wake of last month’s riots. 

Education Secretary Michael Gove continued the tough line yesterday when he said: ‘Parents and students know we have to give teachers more authority. Strong discipline is vital for effective teaching.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038030/Bring-cane-say-half-parents-Cameron-pledges-restore-order-schools-following-riots.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



Would you be in favour of bringing back corporal punishment? I was surprised that almost half of the people surveyed are in favour of it. I couldn't see it being brought back as most teachers I would imagine now wouldn't feel comfortable whacking kids these days, even though they more than likely feel like doing it. I reckon there would be all sorts of lawsuits too. AH wats your thoughts ??

Approriate usernname. Appropriate media sources. Bull**** idea, with absolutly no time spent on thinking about consequences.

It's an Victorian idea that worked in a Victorian age, therefore it'll work in a modern age as things haven't changed, right? Ye-ah.....

hidinginthebush

Hearing how my dad and my friends dads got the absolute shyte knocked out of them in school for seemingly tiny infractions when they were about 10 years old is enough to make me say no.

Alter-Ego

Wooden spoon FTW.

orourkeda

Havent we had enough cracking of arses in our little country.

Liam Byrne

Guill wrote: »

That's England, this is Ireland.



Bring back the meter stick!

That's America, this is Ireland

who the fug

OP

are you old enough to remember when we had it

There was no Irish version of the cane , just knuckles, blackboard dusters and straps. (Or the kick up the arse)

Trouble with all the above once you have had once you lose your fear of it.

Snakeblood

For some reason the idea of giving someone permission to hit my kid doesn't appeal to me as much as it should.

who the fug

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That's America, this is Ireland

I think you will find it was a yard.

FloatingVoter

I was knocked about by "teachers" in the mid to late 80's in Primary school...corporal punishment didn't go away in rural Ireland (waves to Newcastle West). It achieved nothing. If a grown man / woman cannot deal with a child without resorting to physical violence ...they should get another job, preferably one not involving human contact. Legalising it would be a backwards step. It won't happen - it is the same as the "bring back hanging" rubbish - everybody agrees with it at emotive moments, but in the cold light of day, the vast majority will vote No.

problemchimp

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That's America, this is Ireland

Eh no. yards in America.
I've been there in the caning days and it was a shiit way to do things. It destroyed the confidence of some kids who got beaten for stammering, for example. Teaching kids about the dangers of bullying and then hitting with a stick is fuucking mad.

ssaye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9coCbo7Wso

mikom

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That's America, this is Ireland

who the fug wrote: »

I think you will find it was a yard.

problemchimp wrote: »

Eh no. yards in America.
.

He's on about the spelling (metre/meter), not the standard of measure.

who the fug

mikom wrote: »

He's on about the spelling (metre/meter), not the standard of measure.

If we are pedantic about it, Corporal punishment went on Summer of 82 vast majority of sticks in Schools were in Yards so correct name is a yardstick

Snakeblood

mikom wrote: »

He's on about the spelling (metre/meter), not the standard of measure.

Well that's just rood.

who the fug

Snakeblood wrote: »

Well that's just rood.

Can't fathom it myself

Wetai

Maybe they should give the people that suggested it the cane.
What kind of 'students' said they support it coming back?; and I assume some of the parents were thinking something like "they should have to go through the same thing as we did, that'll make the feckers/"punks" behave better"

St.Spodo

Hitting children for misbehaving can only send out the message that violence is a legitimate response when someone wrongs you. But then, I just think grown men hitting children is disgusting.

Guill

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That's America, this is Ireland

I'm not as old as you so!

Amirani

Can't imagine they've used very thorough statistical checks for their survey. I assume their sample is purely representative of the Daily Mail readership or some other facist subset of society.

Biggins

I know at times things are VERY tough in a class room for a teacher but if we have to resort to violent acts in a supposed to be, teaching environment, is ten steps back in technique and message we are sending instead of a single progressive one to young minds.

Caveman1

who the fug wrote: »

OP

are you old enough to remember when we had it

There was no Irish version of the cane , just knuckles, blackboard dusters and straps. (Or the kick up the arse)

Trouble with all the above once you have had once you lose your fear of it.

No I'm not old enough to know the experiences of being hit in school, that's why I'm asking the opinions of other people to see what the general thought is regarding corporal punishment

jester77

You can't touch a kid these days. Bringing back the cane is a step backwards, we need to be more progressive and forward thinking.



Taser the little bastards.

who the fug

Caveman1 wrote: »

No I'm not old enough to know the experiences of being hit in school, that's why I'm asking the opinions of other people to see what the general thought is regarding corporal punishment

It never helped a bad teacher control a class, and good teachers rarely had to resort to it .

Nothing changed in the classroom overnight when they banned it.

El Weirdo

I opened the thread and read this line:

Caveman1 wrote: »

Almost half of parents would be happy to see the return of the cane to restore discipline in the classroom, a survey suggests today.

And before I even turned the mouse wheel, I just knew that I'd be seeing this:

Caveman1 wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/blahblahblahblah

Snakeblood

jester77 wrote: »

You can't touch a kid these days. Bringing back the cane is a step backwards, we need to be more progressive and forward thinking.



Taser the little bastards.

You can get foam now. Drops from the ceiling, fills the room in 4 seconds, sets instantly, freezing everyone, has to be chipped away. I can't see a flaw with using this.

py2006

I would say no.

But then, I had a conversation with my uncle about this not so long ago. He is 71. He maintains it did him no harm and a lot of his generation grew up to be respectable human beings and there wasn't the scumbag culture that we have today.

Dubh Geannain

Hitting kids :eek:

That's a paddlin

Badly Drunk Boy

I was traumatised by an incident of corporal punishment when I was in 1st class in Primary school. A classmate was messing about so the teacher (who was standing beside me) picked up my ruler (12"/30cm) and whacked him on the arm with it.

The ruler broke, he bawled, but the teacher never replaced my ruler. She was an evil Biffo-woman...

FloatingVoter

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I was traumatised by an incident of corporal punishment when I was in 1st class in Primary school. A classmate was messing about so the teacher (who was standing beside me) picked up my ruler (12"/30cm) and whacked him on the arm with it.

The ruler broke, he bawled, but the teacher never replaced my ruler. She was an evil Biffo-woman...

Did she not have a meter stick handy ?

Solair

I think Ireland's had enough problems with teachers beating up kids.
Perhaps we might look towards models that actually work instead?

Also, there's a large % of the British population, particularly in England, who seem to like the idea of hanging and birching. You'll find they also tend to find Mrs Thatcher attractive, don't like anything new or foreign and tend to read certain tabloid daily papers...

Ireland's hopefully moved beyond some of that stuff.

Most discipline problems in school tend to be caused by incompetent management and lack of support from principals and vice-principals.

The problem with discipline in schools and, in England in particular, with social disorder, is lack of social cohesion and breakdown of communities. It's nothing to do with lack of brutal force discipline.

The English, and to a lesser degree ourselves, need to look at re-building communities and getting people involved in society again.

In schools, you can look at things like peer justice systems. Nothing worse than being tried by a court of your own peers at school!

El Weirdo

Solair wrote: »

Also, there's a large % of the British population, particularly in England, who seem to like the idea of hanging and birching. You'll find they also tend to find Mrs Thatcher attractive, don't like anything new or foreign and tend to read certain tabloid daily papers...

Ireland's hopefully moved beyond some of that stuff.

You don't come in here that often, do you?

Solair

El Weirdo wrote: »

You don't come in here that often, do you?

This lot are not very representative of the population though. I suspect they're all closet British public school types

Badly Drunk Boy

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Did she not have a meter stick handy ?

She was an angry woman and the metre stick was too far away. If my ruler wasn't there, she probably would have thrown a chair at him. Or one of my classmates.