God damn club draws for All-Ireland tickets!!!!!

Damokc

RANT ALERT!!!

I don't know if this has been done before or not but I've just come from the All-Ireland ticket draw in my local clubrooms where I am a current playing member of the senior team and have been a playing member for the last 16+ years.

The club was allocated about 65 or so tickets, some were held for the chairman, secretary, local doctor that attends games etc. That left about 58 tickets left for 90 paid up members. That's perfectly fine with me.

Here's where my rant starts. Out of the 90 paid up members, take approx. 20 out for senior players, leaves about 38 left say. Out of this 38 I would guess that 75% of them were not seen in the GAA grounds since the last draw for All Ireland tickets. As you no doubt have worked out I didn't get a ticket and neither did a lot of the players and other involved members.

My question would be, how do other clubs combat this. Is there any way of either getting these uninvolved members to do something constructive during the year to warrant putting there names in the draw or how do you think draws could be made to favour active members.

Basically how do you stop people just joining the club for All Ireland tickets. Increasing membership charges wouldn't be fair on the active members.

Sorry for the long post, but this happens every bloody year the county reach an All Ireland.

gonegray

My club does a weighted draw. The more you do in the club the more chance you have to win a ticket.
First the chairman, secretary, etc are allocated their tickets. Then seperate draws are held for each group (officers, lotto, players, juvenile players, etc) within the club for a certain number of stand and terrace tickets.
At the end all club members are in a draw for the remaining tickets - about 20% of the tickets.
If you want more details send a pm

Damokc

That sounds like good method. It's done for this year now but I'll show this to my cousin. She's a committee member the last few years so probably will be next year too. I'll definitely get back to you if she wants to know more.
Thanks gonegray.

Paddyontherun

gonegray wrote: »

My club does a weighted draw. The more you do in the club the more chance you have to win a ticket.
First the chairman, secretary, etc are allocated their tickets. Then seperate draws are held for each group (officers, lotto, players, juvenile players, etc) within the club for a certain number of stand and terrace tickets.
At the end all club members are in a draw for the remaining tickets - about 20% of the tickets.
If you want more details send a pm

Our club did something similar. In fairness to our committee they tried to do it as fair as possible. All paid up members got 1 entry. Paid up members who attended league and championship games (ordered thro' club) got additional entries based on attendance e.g 100% attendance got 6 entries 80% etc reduced pro rata. There was a draw for 50 tickets. although disappointed I wasn't one of the lucky ones, I would have to concede I knew 40+ of the succesful ones and cannot have any complaints. They do work for the club, attend county games, take kids to county games etc.

I still have a problem with the number clubs get for the final in comparison to the numbers they have ordered all year, but we've covered that in other threads.

headmaster

Damokc,
i'm from a club similar to yours and we used the same methods that you mention. Only thing is, we made sure that the players got the tickets and I know we're not the only club doing it this way. Call it what you want, it does the job and none of us would call it wrong

bren2001

My club did a league table. Each match you purchased your ticket through the club was worth a certain number of points. It didnt matter how many you bought. You only got points per order. Tickets were then allocated based on that table. Think its as fair as you can get.

bobbysands81

Damokc wrote: »

RANT ALERT!!!

I don't know if this has been done before or not but I've just come from the All-Ireland ticket draw in my local clubrooms where I am a current playing member of the senior team and have been a playing member for the last 16+ years.

The club was allocated about 65 or so tickets, some were held for the chairman, secretary, local doctor that attends games etc. That left about 58 tickets left for 90 paid up members. That's perfectly fine with me.

Here's where my rant starts. Out of the 90 paid up members, take approx. 20 out for senior players, leaves about 38 left say. Out of this 38 I would guess that 75% of them were not seen in the GAA grounds since the last draw for All Ireland tickets. As you no doubt have worked out I didn't get a ticket and neither did a lot of the players and other involved members.

My question would be, how do other clubs combat this. Is there any way of either getting these uninvolved members to do something constructive during the year to warrant putting there names in the draw or how do you think draws could be made to favour active members.

Basically how do you stop people just joining the club for All Ireland tickets. Increasing membership charges wouldn't be fair on the active members.

Sorry for the long post, but this happens every bloody year the county reach an All Ireland.

Why don't you try and put a motion down at your clubs AGM regarding a more equitable distribution of tickets?

Damokc

People give out about it every year. It has been brought up in a number of AGMs in the past but nobody had any real plans of what to do to make it more fair.
One would need a really well worked out plan in writing almost for it to make any headway.
It was mentioned before that members who volunteered to do work on the pitch clubrooms ect. would get preference in draws but nothing ever came of it.

Stinicker

My own club reserves around half the tickets for the lads running the club (Chariman, secretary, executive etc.) and every player if genuinely going also will get one. Club sponsors are also given priority in the tickets and if say "Paddy the Builder" gave the club €1,000 in the last year and comes looking for a ticket he will get one and the ordinary members are then put into a raffle for the remaining lesser value tickets usually Hill-16 and Davin Stand.

Is it unfair? I don't think so because it is players and the behind the scenes lads who are the lifeblood of the clubs and as the OP said some feckers you might not see them at a GAA related event until the next All-Ireland Final and they might not even use the ticket themselves and give it to some other fella on a buddy pass whilst a genuine club member gets left out.

OP does the ticket draw take place in Public? and members attend etc? Most clubs conduct their draws in private and they then see to it that those deserving of a ticket will get one and with a public draw it would descend into anarchy if that happened.

My advice at your clubs next AGM propose a motion that future All-Ireland tickets be distributed more evenly to club workers and players like most clubs do.

Damokc

The draw is done completely out in the open in front of any members who want to attend. This was actually another thing that was proposed a few years back, that any member with their name in for the draw would have to attend in person the night of the draw. This was to stop members putting in other members names and then using there tickets. However this isn't enforced.

Marse

It’s hard to say which is the fairest method. I’ve been a playing member of a club for the last 21 year. Due to the fact I’ve been out of the country most of the year, I haven’t play any games this year. I missed one Dublin league game and the Tyrone game in the championship, but I ordered and paid for tickets that were used for both games.
Now there are plenty of playing members I know in the club that don’t go to Dublin games, but that will put an order in for a ticket being the final- should they get a ticket ahead of a non playing member( retired player) that has been to every game this year?

Do you ensure that playing members get tickets based on the fact they play, what about guys that played for the club all their lives, but don’t play now and are still members.

It’s difficult, I’m not a fan of the draw. Weighted draws seem the way to go, playing members being weighted, members that attended all the games being weighted also.

As you know there are a lot of people that might never have played for a club, that put a huge effort into the club.

Off topic a little, the brother was talking to a Dublin legend that was on the last Dublin team to win Sam, he was saying that he was having trouble getting a ticket.

Kerrydude1981

Anyone who does anything for the club should all be offered a ticket and whatever tickets that are left over to be raffled off between the members of the club,Every club has an "All Ireland specialist" a fella that doesnt go near club or county matches all year and then shows his mug the night of the ticket draw,the same fella told you when asked about going to an earlier championship game "I wouldnt cross the road to watch them"
but he still gets a ticket

stargazer 68

Well our club is having the brass neck to charge in on Sunday to watch the game!! Think I will stay at home!

Kerrydude1981

Dovies wrote: »

Well our club is having the brass neck to charge in on Sunday to watch the game!! Think I will stay at home!

Ah stop now that is a fair joke,charging members to watch the match in the clubhouse,time for a new committee in your club

stargazer 68

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Ah stop now that is a fair joke,charging members to watch the match in the clubhouse,time for a new committee in your club

Well their excuse is that they will be doing food. Thing is they dont have facilities for food so it will be sambos - which they do for games anyway! Cheeky feckers. Will be interesting to see if they get away with it - doubt it!

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

to we need another thread about all ireland tickets?

Damokc wrote: »

RANT ALERT!!!

talk to the chairman of your club about how you feel it should be done next year, nothig ever comes from a boards rant!

Kerrydude1981

Dovies wrote: »

Well their excuse is that they will be doing food. Thing is they dont have facilities for food so it will be sambos - which they do for games anyway! Cheeky feckers. Will be interesting to see if they get away with it - doubt it!

Any idea how much they are charging??

Kerrydude1981

Mary Flaky Whiskey wrote: »

to we need another thread about all ireland tickets?

I think so,club draws need to be discussed,OP is looking for ideas on how other clubs hand out the tickets

lafors

I'm a member of a large Dublin club, not playing anymore my days of that are over but its the same as every other club out there. Lads sorting out their mates for tickets then lads who haven't been to a match this year getting them....well you know what we did, we got over it, nothing will ever change.

We all get the season ticket now, and our seats are probably the best in the house, halfway line in the lower cusack, guaranteed tickets for face value. €75 initially for all the league games and the first championship game. Saved a bit of money too as the hurlers were playing a few matches with the footballers which I would have been going to anyway. Just get one of them and no need to worry about this scramble for tickets again

BTW best of luck in getting one OP

orourkeda

I'm a member of my local GAA Club. I've been to all five Dublin Games in the championship this year. I was forced to enter a draw for the final and was laughed at. I wont be going to the final this year.

My brother works for a well known company that sponsors the GAA. He was handed two tickets for semi final and final. The only two games he has attended were one he was handed free tickets for.


The GAA needs to take a long hard look at its ticketing arrangements. I very much doubt I'm alone.

The Guv

The way our club does it is it allocates tickets to all club officers mentors etc, then holds a draw for 5 tickets for the development committee, a draw for 5 tickets for lotto sellers and a draw for ten tickets for players. If a person is a development officer and a lotto seller, he'll go in the draw for both draws but can only come out once.

All remaining people will also go into the general members draw. What it means is that the people who deserve the tickets most will generally get them and the people who don't will have a lesser chance.

I dont know

Our Club in Tyrone distributes them like this;

1.Committee Members
2.Adult Players
3.Youth Players
4.Active Members
5.Non-Active Members


1 ticket per member
When youth players register at the start of the season – they can register for £2 to play OR £10 to play and be eligible for tickets, so not all youth members are eligible for tickets, just those that paid more at the start of the year.
Sponsors are included with active members

For the All-Ireland in 2008, everyone looking a ticket in the first 4 categories got sorted. It was then a draw out of a hat for the non active members.
All efforts were then made to get tickets for those who were unlucky

Mountjoy Mugger

Damokc wrote: »

This was to stop members putting in other members names and then using there tickets. However this isn't enforced.

Well, therein lies part of the problem.

The people who are certain to get their tickets don't care about anyone else as it's their responsibility to do the enforcing - I would presume. The "I'm alright, Jack" mentality kicks in.

As another Stinicker suggested, get a motion proposed/carried at the next AGM.

Tiocfaidh Armani

orourkeda wrote: »

I'm a member of my local GAA Club. I've been to all five Dublin Games in the championship this year. I was forced to enter a draw for the final and was laughed at. I wont be going to the final this year.

My brother works for a well known company that sponsors the GAA. He was handed two tickets for semi final and final. The only two games he has attended were one he was handed free tickets for.


The GAA needs to take a long hard look at its ticketing arrangements. I very much doubt I'm alone.

Sponsors get 970. That's fair by me, their money pumps millions into the GAA, why shouldn't these company's get a small portion of the tickets?

wow sierra

Running a GAA club costs a fortune. Looking after sponsors with tickets and charging a few quid entrance to watch the game in the club are ways of helping fund raising.

It might be annoying but if someone in the club isn't looking after the finance you can have all the playing talent you like but you are at nothing.

howiya

Playing devils advocate here but why should a club care who's been to previous dublin or kerry matches when deciding who gets an all-ireland final ticket?

Clubs don't get any money from the tickets they sell throughout the year as far as I can see so they're putting a lot of work and time into ordering, distributing tickets and collecting money etc.

If people are looking for a scheme that rewards loyalty the GAA have a season ticket.

Just throwing this out for discussion. I was in St. Brigids on New Years Day for the Blue Stars match, didn't make it to the O'Byrne Cup games due to other commitments, missed one league and one championship match but I don't feel that I'm owed a ticket. Also very easy for me say given that I have a ticket.

Flukey

We say this year after year, but whatever system you come up with, there are people going to be left without tickets. From any given individual's perspective, the perfect system is the one where they themselves get a ticket, but there is no perfect system, so some people will be left without. All the "deserving" people, whatever way you think designates them as being so, outnumbers the capacity. In general though, the majority of people who deserve tickets will be in Croke Park on All-Ireland Final day. You'll have a few people in there who probably shouldn't be there, but the vast majority should be. So, as imperfect as it may be, and there is no perfect system, it works quite well.