Warranty issues on a car i bought?

straight

Hi all,
I bought a second hand car approx 6 months ago with a 3 month engine and gearbox warranty. Within two months the engine blew and the garage repaired it free of charge. When i got the car back the oil pressure light kept coming on and when i consulted the garage they said to drive on and thats ok to be ignored. I have since discovered that it was a second hand engine that they fitted to the car! Is this acceptable? The oil light is on all the time now and they are refusing to do anything with it . I don't want to drive the car with the oil light on so it is just parked outside my house and i'm using my wifes car or public transport which is very awkward. What are my rights here and what can i do? Really like the car but it is useless to me like this!

dudara

Better advice to be found in the Motors forum, so moved accordingly.

dudara

They're quite entitled to fit a 2nd hand engine, the oil pressure light should function normally and not be on past startup.

dharn

ya they could fit a second hand engine but not one with an obvious problem you cannot drive a car with the oil light constantly on it might just be the pressure switch but the garage must sort it for you make sure they check the oil pressure on the engine before you drive it again

Alan b.

dharn wrote: »

ya they could fit a second hand engine but not one with an obvious problem you cannot drive a car with the oil light constantly on it might just be the pressure switch but the garage must sort it for you make sure they check the oil pressure on the engine before you drive it again

Car wouldn't pass an nct with the light on so no, It's not okay to drive on.

L-M

They fixed the car under warranty, if the fault with the new part appeared while the car was still under warranty then it's up to them to fix it. They obviously brushed you off in the hope that the warranty would lapse before anything else would happen the car.

kildare.17hmr

like rover james said they can fit a 2nd hand engine but it has to be in proper working order. bring it back and demand they fix it or you will go to small claims. garage are doing themselves no favours fobbing you off like this

Esel

Alan b. wrote: »

Car wouldn't pass an nct with the light on so no, It's not okay to drive on.

Wrong!

ABS or airbag lights will fail NCT.

L-M

Esel wrote: »

Wrong!

ABS or airbag lights will fail NCT.

He does say in the quoted post that the car wouldn't pass a test :P

Limerick man

Limerick man wrote: »

He does say in the quoted post that the car wouldn't pass a test :P

It probably would though if only the oil pressure light was on.

L-M

RoverJames wrote: »

It probably would though if only the oil pressure light was on.

Can't imagine so, would you test/rev the crap out of a car with that light on?

Limerick man

Limerick man wrote: »

Can't imagine so, would you test/rev the crap out of a car with that light on?

If I was after driving the car for miles and was happy that the oil pressure wasn't low I'd be happy to have it tested, so if I was a tester and the customer was happy for me to do so than I would.
Petrol test is 3000rpm ish iirc, 4 times idle speed ish, any car that drove to the centre under it's own steam would be well testable.

L-M

RoverJames wrote: »

If I was after driving the car for miles and was happy that the oil pressure wasn't low I'd be happy to have it tested, so if I was a tester and the customer was happy for me to do so than I would.

I don't think that's up to you to decide!

(by you I mean customer)

corktina

just tell them you want it fixed. It shouldnt be on unless there s a fault, and if there is just a fault in the light, how would you know if a fault developed in the engine? Take it back, stand your ground, make a fuss. You are in the right here.(or do like me and send your wife round :-)

Limerick man

Limerick man wrote: »

I don't think that's up to you to decide!

(by you I mean customer)

you are correct
I stand corrected (Esel's fault anyway), page 13 of 94 http://www.ncts.ie/pdf/nctmanual.pdf ...........

NOTES

1. When checking exhaust emissions, the vehicle must be conditioned in accordance with the vehicle
manufacturer’s recommendations.
2. Hybrid vehicles should be viewed as an electric vehicle and will not require an exhaust emissions test.
3. For the following Rover vehicles: a) Mini 1300 carburettor and open loop three-way catalyst, b) Metro
Rover 100 1100 carburettor and open loop three-way catalyst, first registered on or before 31 December
1994, the exhaust emission limit for CO is 3.5% and for HC is 1200 ppm. Where a vehicle meets the CO
limit but fails the HC limit, the inspector must perform a further HC test at 2000 rpm. If the vehicle meets
the HC limit at 2000 rpm, it is considered to have met the requirements.
4. For Suzuki Cultas, the maximum allowable CO value is 4.5% and the maximum allowable HC value is
1200 ppm.
5. Where it can be established that the vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations on exhaust emissions are
higher than those listed in the reasons for failure then the manufacturer’s figure should be the criteria
used when deciding whether or not the vehicle passes.
6. For vehicles tested operating on L.P.G. the hydrocarbon reading must be divided by the propane/hexane
equivalent factor (PEF) which is marked on the hydrocarbon test equipment.
7. Where vehicles are fitted with twin exhaust systems the higher of the two should be taken.
8. A HC test is not required on vehicles operating on CNG.
9. This test should not be carried out where:
(a) the oil warning light remains on with the engine running.
(b) the oil level is below the manufacturer’s minimum level.
(c) the oil level is above the manufacturer’s maximum level.
10 This test does not apply to two-stroke or rotary piston (Wankel) engines.

3

L-M

I had that manual opened, and then I forgot why I had opened it, and proceeded to close said tab :P

corkcomp

get a mechanic to put a pressure guage onto the engine (usually in place of the il pressure switch on temporary basis) and get an accurate oil pressure reading PSI with the engine warm... oil pressure lights / switches rarely go faulty so id be worried about a spun bearing, worn bearings or some other mess up made while swapping the engines. The NCT is a side issue but revving an engine that has any of the problems above to 3k rpm under no load might not end happily.. of course it might be just a faulty switch / sensor but given the engine swap and previous engine failure id be suspicious.

Henry Ford III

corkcomp wrote: »

get a mechanic to put a pressure guage onto the engine (usually in place of the il pressure switch on temporary basis) and get an accurate oil pressure reading PSI with the engine warm... oil pressure lights / switches rarely go faulty so id be worried about a spun bearing, worn bearings or some other mess up made while swapping the engines. The NCT is a side issue but revving an engine that has any of the problems above to 3k rpm under no load might not end happily.. of course it might be just a faulty switch / sensor but given the engine swap and previous engine failure id be suspicious.

A compression test is a good idea. Simple enough to do too.

_Kaiser_

Esel wrote: »

Wrong!

ABS or airbag lights will fail NCT.

How about a car (jap import - not mine) that doesn't HAVE an airbag cause the original owner swapped the steering wheel for a "cool" sports one with none, but it still has a light on?

Esel

RoverJames wrote: »

you are correct
I stand corrected (Esel's fault anyway), page 13 of 94 http://www.ncts.ie/pdf/nctmanual.pdf ...........

.....

3. For the following Rover vehicles: a) Mini 1300 carburettor and open loop three-way catalyst, b) Metro
Rover 100 1100 carburettor and open loop three-way catalyst, first registered on or before 31 December
1994, the exhaust emission limit for CO is 3.5% and for HC is 1200 ppm. Where a vehicle meets the CO
limit but fails the HC limit, the inspector must perform a further HC test at 2000 rpm. If the vehicle meets
the HC limit at 2000 rpm, it is considered to have met the requirements.

...

9. This test should not be carried out where:
(a) the oil warning light remains on with the engine running.

I stand corrected!

However, I believe you found this information by searching the NCT manual for 'Rover' rather than 'oil warning light', therefore you need a namechange to RoverNerd.

Esel

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

How about a car (jap import - not mine) that doesn't HAVE an airbag cause the original owner swapped the steering wheel for a "cool" sports one with none, but it still has a light on?

Airbag light on = Fail, according to the NCT Manual.

One might get extremely lucky, if the tester saw the non-standard steering wheel and decided to risk their job by 'ignoring' the airbag light - but that is not the way to bet.

Alan b.

Esel wrote: »

Wrong!

ABS or airbag lights will fail NCT.

i'll accept an apology anytime you're ready

for the lad with no airbag and an airbag light.
you can fit a resistor into the airbag plug in place of the airbag that will allow the light come on as normal and go off as normal without the airbag being there.

the resistor required depends on the car but i think hondas use a 220ohm resistor for example.

L-M

Esel wrote: »

Airbag light on = Fail, according to the NCT Manual.

AFAIK if they get a stamped letter from the main dealer explaining why the airbag light is on etc. it should be fine.

That or just get a steering wheel for the test.

Esel

Ain't apologising; ain't explaining....