GSP v Condit - Opinions?

O.P.H

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtfhYvQBUI

garysully1986

I have been dying to see condit get a title shot, While I think GSP will run through him without much work I still think he is a superb fighter! Horribly dissapointed that Diaz didnt get the title shot but sounds lik he has too many personal problems!

JoeyJJ

Hard one to call, going to be a war, Condit has heavy hands however leaves himself open to counters. If I had to put money on it I would have to go with GSP. Guess we'll see how he is on his back, think George will take him down.

Would have liked to see this one properly scheduled, he could have got a good camp together away from Jacksons.

Logical Fallacy

I can't shake the feeling that Conduit is far more of a finisher than GSP but that doesn't really matter.

Getting GSP in a position to finish him is the difficult part.

El Guapo!

I'm actually more looking forward to this fight than GSP v Diaz. I think it'll be a cracker. I like both fighters but I can see GSP taking it. Although I wouldn't write off Condit I think if he wants to win, his best chance is to knock GSP out.

Oh_Noes

Probably will be the same as the last four fights. Tbh they should put that as the co-main and put Penn/Diaz as the main.

Deep10

It's gonna be a better fight than GSP Diaz, Condit actually has one punch knockout power, not bad jiu-jitsu and takedown defense looked improved in his last fight against Stun Gun Kim. I see it play out kinda like GSP vs Hardy, but Condit attacking from the bottom a little instead of just evading subs ala Hardy. GSP by decision, but a surprise punch could KO GSP.

MrStuffins

JoeyJJ wrote: »

Hard one to call.....

Nope.

GSP all day! Condit is good. But he's not in GSP's league! In fact, there isn't a Welterweight in the world who is!

Mellor

I thinjk conduit give GSP a harder time, he is basically Hardy with better strikes but GSP wins this.
GSP boxes with wrestlers and wrestlers with strikers. He is taking Carlos down and controlling the fight

Mellor

Forgot to mention, the most interesting about this fight is what Greg Jackson is going to do.

If GSP finishes the fight, the Jackson haters will have a field day

MrStuffins

Mellor wrote: »

Forgot to mention, the most interesting about this fight is what Greg Jackson is going to do.

If GSP finishes the fight, the Jackson haters will have a field day

Well Jackson has already said he won't train either man for the fight!

In my opinion, the Jackson haters don't have a clue and couldn't name you 4 Jackson fighters. Because if they did, they would know Team jackson has some of the most exciting fighters and fighters who finish fights!

But, as we all know......................

Mellor

Well I assumed that's was Jackson was going to do. I was a little surprised that there wasn't a bigger deal made about this.

Ah, I know the Jackson haters are morons, but there's a potentially huge amount of ammo here if GSP finishes. And obviously that's stupid too as the majority of this training coming into here will have been before Conduit was announced.

Prediction, i think GSP is going to finish the fight/second* for the first time since Matt Serra at UFC 83, and I think he'll do it in very similar fashion.

(*i'm not sure if BJ should be counted or is counted, I think so tbh, )

Charlie3dan

I still don't see why the UFC have done this. Diaz was supposed to finally make GSP give us an exciting fight (not that his fights aren't entertaining, but we all know his long standing criticisim, he doesn't finish guys).

Diaz goes a bit nuts and it looks like he won't be fighting on the card and Dana says the kid is too unreliable to have in the UFC. Next thing ya know Diaz is back on the same card and Dana has just done a switcheroo on the opponents?

I like conduit and I'd actually like to see him beat GSP but what I'm expecting is another typical GSP fight.

Diaz vs BJ should be a great fight but to be honest I wanted to see Diaz in against GSP more than I wanted to see him take on BJ.

The Bored One

Charlie3dan wrote: »

I still don't see why the UFC have done this. Diaz was supposed to finally make GSP give us an exciting fight (not that his fights aren't entertaining, but we all know his long standing criticisim, he doesn't finish guys).

Diaz goes a bit nuts and it looks like he won't be fighting on the card and Dana says the kid is too unreliable to have in the UFC. Next thing ya know Diaz is back on the same card and Dana has just done a switcheroo on the opponents?

They have to remind Diaz that at the end of the day, he is still an employee. Diaz seems to make a big deal about being all about the fighting, so removing his title shot is probably the best way to punish him for violating his contract.
However while all his posturing and attitude might make him unreliable for the title shot media, they're perfect for promoting or marketing stuff lower down the food chain.
This way they can still make use of him and get an idea if he'll be useful or reliable in future.

preddy

I think Diaz had the tools to really take on GSP boxing and BJ.

If Diaz wins he will just end up in line again for a shot at GSP, if GSP isnt gone up to 185 by then.

The Bored One

preddy wrote: »

I think Diaz had the tools to really take on GSP boxing and BJ.

I'm not sure Diaz's style would have worked so well with GSP for boxing. Diaz seems to put people down by hitting them with strings of lighter punches when they try to trade with him. I don't see GSP sticking around long enough for that, he's very much in and out when throwing strikes lately.
Diaz has a better chance of landing one of his strikes than most of GSP's opponents, but I'm not sure he'd have gotten the chance to capitalize on it.

I'm very curious as to how Penn-Diaz will go, I suppose it depends on what sorta condition Penn shows up in. I look forward to hearing what BJ has to say though in the build up to it though.

I'm happy with the way this has all worked out now. I'm more excited for both of these fights than I was.

I think Condit gives GSP more problems than Diaz, and Penn v Diaz will be a war.

Mellor

The way i see the WW division going

GSP beats Conduit
Diaz beats BJ
Fitch beats Hendrinks
GSP beats Diaz
Random BJ fight
GSP Beats Fitch

MrStuffins

Interview here with Diaz regarding the whole situation. He says he didnt know there was a press conference, that it was corny video shoot that he wasnt interested in doing.

Also, he calls GSP a "Little Bitch" quite a number of times

Mr. CooL ICE

GSP does not have a strong chin and this was shown in the Serra fight. A large portion of his fighting style is based around protecting said chin (wrestling + in and out boxing), but Condit stands a decent chance of penetrating this defense and hurting him. If I had to bet on a fighter, I would still go with GSP, but IMO it really could go either way.

MrStuffins

LordChessington wrote: »

GSP does not have a strong chin and this was shown in the Serra fight.

Getting knocked off your equilibrium by getting punched behind the ear one time in a total of 24 professional fights means you have a weak chin these days?

Jaysus!

The Bored One

MrStuffins wrote: »

Getting knocked off your equilibrium by getting punched behind the ear one time in a total of 24 professional fights means you have a weak chin these days?

Jaysus!

Popular theories of biology in MMA indicate that a weak chin can also be located at the temple, back of the head and the liver.

MrStuffins

The Bored One wrote: »

Popular theories of biology in MMA indicate that a weak chin can also be located at the temple, back of the head and the liver.

Andrei Arlovski must have livers all over his face so!

The Bored One

MrStuffins wrote: »

Andrei Arlovski must have livers all over his face so!

I think the mental image of that is going to haunt me for a long time.

cowzerp

The Bored One wrote: »

Popular theories of biology in MMA indicate that a weak chin can also be located at the temple, back of the head and the liver.

Weak chin can only be found on the chin, weak spots in the body certainly can be as you stated aswell as solar plexes

The Bored One

cowzerp wrote: »

Weak chin can only be found on the chin, weak spots in the body certainly can be as you stated aswell as solar plexes

I know, I'm just taking the p*ss out of how the term gets overused.

Charlie3dan

The Bored One wrote: »

They have to remind Diaz that at the end of the day, he is still an employee. Diaz seems to make a big deal about being all about the fighting, so removing his title shot is probably the best way to punish him for violating his contract.
However while all his posturing and attitude might make him unreliable for the title shot media, they're perfect for promoting or marketing stuff lower down the food chain.
This way they can still make use of him and get an idea if he'll be useful or reliable in future.

Yea I see what you're saying but Dana White's style of punishment is usually alot more severe. Giving him a fight on the same card as a co-main event against one of the world's best doesn't really say punishment to me.

No doubt Diaz is great for hype but I don't think Dana would have chosen for Diaz to do what he did just for the publicity.

The whole thing wreaks of "there's more to this" but we may never know. However, the fact that they've set up 2 extremely good fights seems to have overshadowed all this. I'm quite happy with the fight card the way it is but I would still have preffered GSP vs Diaz.

Maybe Dana just doesn't want Diaz to b the UFC champ and have to deal with his sh1t.

cowzerp

I don't think the Condit v GSP fight is competitive, I'd say GSP Will monster him to be honest, hope not but that's the way i see it

Also Diaz is a much bigger guy than BJ so this evens this fight out-I'm unsure who will win here but will be cheering on BJ for the win.

MrStuffins

I think Diaz v BJ is a better fight that BJ v Condit, GSP v Diaz and GSP v Condit.

2 guys whose main background is BJJ but who both have pro-level boxing (Nick has had pro bouts and Freddie Roach once said BJ has the best boxing in the sport).

It's an intriguing one!

Mellor

LordChessington wrote: »

GSP does not have a strong chin and this was shown in the Serra fight.

oh lord.
I love the way the armchairs fans groups all fighters into two groups. Those yet to be knocked out (solid chins), and those with suspect chins, aka anyone that has been knocked out ever.

Getting rocked my Serra means he is human, not that his chin is suspect.
Your comments make about as much sense as saying Jones has poor striking as it got him DQ'd vrs Hamill

MrStuffins wrote: »

2 guys whose main background is BJJ but who both have pro-level boxing (Nick has had pro bouts and Freddie Roach once said BJ has the best boxing in the sport).

He speaks pretty highly of GSPs striking. i'm pretty sure the double jab that broke Koschek came from Roach

cowzerp

The Bored One wrote: »

I know, I'm just taking the p*ss out of how the term gets overused.

Hilarious, we should go for a pint some day-i'd say it would be a barrell of laughs.

Crochet

GSP V Condit is a no brainer really. GSP will take him down as he does with everyone and when he does I believe he will be too heavy on top of Conduit. Conduit wont shake him off and get smashed. GSP is a very tactical fighter and will have his game plan worked out for Condit - minimise damage on the outside, wait and take him down. Condit is a game fighter but not at GSP's level. Nobody at 170 really is at the minute. Condit is just fodder for GSP really.

Mr. CooL ICE

MrStuffins wrote: »

Getting knocked off your equilibrium by getting punched behind the ear one time in a total of 24 professional fights means you have a weak chin these days?

Jaysus!

The Bored One wrote: »

Popular theories of biology in MMA indicate that a weak chin can also be located at the temple, back of the head and the liver.

It's sometimes hard to detect sarcasm acorss the internet, so I hope you guys know that a strong chin doesn't necessarily mean that said chin is physically stronger than others? To quote wikipedia, "In combat sports such as boxing, kickboxing and mixed martial arts, a fighter's chin refers to a his/her ability to tolerate physical trauma to the head without being knocked unconscious."

Mellor wrote: »

oh lord.
I love the way the armchairs fans groups all fighters into two groups. Those yet to be knocked out (solid chins), and those with suspect chins, aka anyone that has been knocked out ever.

Getting rocked my Serra means he is human, not that his chin is suspect.
Your comments make about as much sense as saying Jones has poor striking as it got him DQ'd vrs Hamill

Bloody hell. Way to be both unnecessarily condescending and jump to conclusions

sonic85

GSP should win this. condits not at his level - he has good hands though so there is the possibility he could ko GSP if he does manage to land a good shot. i like both fighters so im not up for anyone in particular i just hope its a good fight

MrStuffins

LordChessington wrote: »

It's sometimes hard to detect sarcasm acorss the internet, so I hope you guys know that a strong chin doesn't necessarily mean that said chin is physically stronger than others? To quote wikipedia, "In combat sports such as boxing, kickboxing and mixed martial arts, a fighter's chin refers to a his/her ability to tolerate physical trauma to the head without being knocked unconscious."

Bloody hell. Way to be both unnecessarily condescending and jump to conclusions

OH!!!!!! so THAT'S what you mean by a weak chin! OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I get it now! Yeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!

Could you detect THAT sarcasm?

Your point was that the Serra fight proved that GSP has a weak chin! Your point was ridiculous to say the least!

The Bored One

LordChessington wrote: »

It's sometimes hard to detect sarcasm acorss the internet, so I hope you guys know that a strong chin doesn't necessarily mean that said chin is physically stronger than others? To quote wikipedia, "In combat sports such as boxing, kickboxing and mixed martial arts, a fighter's chin refers to a his/her ability to tolerate physical trauma to the head without being knocked unconscious."

Hmmm. I should have realized that its kinda hard to do a deadpan tone when you're typing something.
Anyway as I said in another post, I think weak chin is a seriously overused term.
And one I'd only be personally comfortable using where there was an obvious pattern of a fighter getting knocked out. For example, Arlovski.
I dont think its fair or logical to apply it to GSP because one knockout doesn't add up to a pattern yet.
The other thing that bugs me about its use is when people use it to explain a KO by anything other than an obvious power shot, and just ignore all the other factors like momentum, angles, accuracy etc
Anderson Silva has put people down with some fairly casual looking shots but thats more about his timing than anyones figurative chin.

MrStuffins

Exactly, in order to have a weak chin, it has to have been shown that you are susceptable to being KO'd more often than your normal fighter, or with relative ease.

GSP has been fighting nobody but the best in the world since he fought Karo in his UFC debut. That was in Jan 2004. He's fought 19 times and won 17 of them. I think if he had a weak chin we'd have noticed by now. He's been TKO'd once, big deal.

Look at someone like James "Collosus" Thompson. Since losing to Fujita by KO in 2006, he's had 16 fights and won 4 of them, 1 NC and 11 losses. Of these 11 losses, 8 of them were by KO! Now THAT'S a weak chin.

By your reasoning, everyone who has ever been TKO'd in a fight has a weak chin. That's a bit of a stretch!

Logical Fallacy

MrStuffins wrote: »

By your reasoning, everyone who has ever been TKO'd in a fight has a weak chin. That's a bit of a stretch!

It's because people need something to hold over GSP to make the fights appear interesting. At this point the dude is so far ahead of the game you gotta hold to hope his chin was made by Waterford Crystal if you can't just appreciate the measured destruction of opponents he brings each fight.

Mellor

LordChessington wrote: »

Bloody hell. Way to be both unnecessarily condescending and jump to conclusions

How exactly was I jumping to conclusions?

If you are refering to the armchair comment. It was to illustrate that the point you were making was ridiculous. And I believe it was. You are welcome to back it up. I'm open to be convinced.

But it without anything to back is up other than "the Serra fight" then it will remain ridiculous.
And for the record, Serra didn't knock out GSP. Serra rocked him, and landed a huge amount of blows while GSP tried to recover, he fell to the ground and again took a huge amount of blows. The ref stopped it. GSP was never unconcious.

Mr. CooL ICE

Bloody hell. Read my OP. I never said he had a weak chin. I said he doesn't have a strong chin.

Look at his entire career. How many power shots has he eaten since Serra's fight (excluding from pillowhands Shields)? Previous to the Serra fight, he was much more happy to stand up and trade strikes in the majority of fights, regardless opponent's strength.

Since the Serra fight, his approach to fights changed. As has been mentioned previously, he strikes with grapplers and grapples with strikers, but it wasn't necessarily like that before Serra. Since then, when he does stand up, his striking is much more, umm, Machida-like, i.e. he is far better at evading damage through head movement and footwork than before the Serra loss.

You could say that it is simply a fighter improving over time, but the Serra fight showed him that he doesn't have a strong chin and do everything possible to expose it.

cowzerp

LordChessington wrote: »

You could say that it is simply a fighter improving over time, but the Serra fight showed him that he doesn't have a strong chin and do everything possible to expose it.

The serra fight showed him he could be finished so he improved his skills to make it less likely, this is not a case of having a bad chin.

Mellor

LordChessington wrote: »

Bloody hell. Read my OP. I never said he had a weak chin. I said he doesn't have a strong chin.

Not relevant, the point is still stupid.

Look at his entire career. How many power shots has he eaten since Serra's fight (excluding from pillowhands Shields)? Previous to the Serra fight, he was much more happy to stand up and trade strikes in the majority of fights, regardless opponent's strength.

Since the Serra fight, his approach to fights changed. As has been mentioned previously, he strikes with grapplers and grapples with strikers, but it wasn't necessarily like that before Serra. Since then, when he does stand up, his striking is much more, umm, Machida-like, i.e. he is far better at evading damage through head movement and footwork than before the Serra loss.

He is just being a smarter fighter as he was young and got caugth.
If he is good enough to avoid strikes, why would he not?

You could say that it is simply a fighter improving over time, but the Serra fight showed him that he doesn't have a strong chin and do everything possible to expose it.

How did Serra show that?
By not being able to knock him out with 20 punches??? GTFO

MrStuffins

LordChessington wrote: »

Bloody hell. Read my OP. I never said he had a weak chin. I said he doesn't have a strong chin.

the_doctor199

This fight is off

GSP blown acl will be out for 10 mos. Now Condit vs Diaz for the interim welterweight title on Feb 4th in Las Vegas!!

weemcd

I hate interim belts, this is still a good fight, but I wanted to see GSP vs Diaz