Cat calling at kicks?

Big Nelly

Hey Guys

Seen this in most games, now haven't watched every game. Not getting up at 1 to watch some games but everyone of the games I have watched there has been huge shouting and calling from the crowd. Is this the fact there is a lot of "non-rugby" fans attending these games?

Should they call out for quiet or just go for France route and just clap on kicks?

And finally could this be affecting the kickers? can't see how it can but just a question.

krissovo

Not all countries adopt the the silence at kicks, its perfectly normal to cat call in Wales, Argentina and France for example. It has been said by kickers from these countries that the silence is more unnerving than the noise.

danthefan

Ah ffs :rolleyes:

Just because we stay silent for kicks it doesn't mean every country does.

paulmcshane

This must be a joke.

Big Nelly

danthefan wrote: »

Ah ffs :rolleyes:

Just because we stay silent for kicks it doesn't mean every country does.

Get over yourself, its a question. Is that not what a forum is for?? if you think it is so bad then don't post.

danthefan

Big Nelly wrote: »

Get over yourself, its a question. Is that not what a forum is for?? if you think it is so bad then don't post.

You've accused people making noise of being non rugby fans and I need to get over myself. Ok.

Samich

I think Ireland is renowned for the silence during kicks, don't think it happens at all in the Southern Hemisphere.

Ciaran-Irl

Big Nelly wrote: »

Hey Guys

Seen this in most games, now haven't watched every game. Not getting up at 1 to watch some games but everyone of the games I have watched there has been huge shouting and calling from the crowd. Is this the fact there is a lot of "non-rugby" fans attending these games?

Should they call out for quiet or just go for France route and just clap on kicks?

And finally could this be affecting the kickers? can't see how it can but just a question.

Why do people in Ireland think it's ok to shout during lineouts to try to put the hooker off and make it hard for the pack to hear the call?

Oh, that isn't traditional, so who cares if you put them off.

mrboswell

Samich wrote: »

I think Ireland is renowned for the silence during kicks, don't think it happens at all in the Southern Hemisphere.

Maybe its the butterfly effect

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

Why do people in Ireland think it's ok to shout during lineouts to try to put the hooker off and make it hard for the pack to hear the call?

Oh, that isn't traditional, so who cares if you put them off.

Agreed. Ref basically said "stop shouting at the other lads". If you want to spend 5 mins throwing in the ball you should expect some abuse

vinny chase

Thomond Park could be the only place left in the rugby world where you get the absolute silence for the kicker.

Cannot think of anywhere else off the top of my head where you hear silence on almost every single kick at goal.

Was a feature at the old Lansdowne Road, but hasn't carried to the new Aviva either.

Buceph

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

Why do people in Ireland think it's ok to shout during lineouts to try to put the hooker off and make it hard for the pack to hear the call?

Oh, that isn't traditional, so who cares if you put them off.

Actually, I think there's a law that if a captain of the home team is requested to quieten the crowd and he can't they may have to forfeit the game. (That may be from the start of the century, but I think it was on the books at some point.)

Big Nelly

vinny chase wrote: »

Thomond Park could be the only place left in the rugby world where you get the absolute silence for the kicker.

Cannot think of anywhere else off the top of my head where you hear silence on almost every single kick at goal.

Was a feature at the old Lansdowne Road, but hasn't carried to the new Aviva either.

Could here a pin drop at RDS last season so can't see why you think Thomond Park is only place left?

Also majority of Leinster matchs at Aviva was the same. Some issues in Semi but that was when crowd didn't think it was a peno.

mrboswell

Buceph wrote: »

Actually, I think there's a law that if a captain of the home team is requested to quieten the crowd and he can't they may have to forfeit the game. (That may be from the start of the century, but I think it was on the books at some point.)

In theory, there is no home team at WC. Best of luck trying to implement that one!!

vinny chase

Big Nelly wrote: »

Could here a pin drop at RDS last season so can't see why you think Thomond Park is only place left?

Also majority of Leinster matchs at Aviva was the same. Some issues in Semi but that was when crowd didn't think it was a peno.

I'm a season ticket holder at the RDS and have been to every Leinster game in the new Aviva, and I disagree.

There's a trend amongst some of the younger fans now to begin adopting the chanting and jeering as the kicker is making his run up.

Big Nelly

Buceph wrote: »

Actually, I think there's a law that if a captain of the home team is requested to quieten the crowd and he can't they may have to forfeit the game. (That may be from the start of the century, but I think it was on the books at some point.)

Was at Leinster match last season, lineout was in front of Anglesea terrace, crowd started shouting, hooker couldn't hear and ref told him to get on with it. This happened a number of times.

Buceph

mrboswell wrote: »

In theory, there is no home team at WC. Best of luck trying to implement that one!!

Surely there's the drawing with one team appointed home and another away for deciding dressing rooms and jerseys?

Big Nelly

vinny chase wrote: »

I'm a season ticket holder at the RDS and have been to every Leinster game in the new Aviva, and I disagree.

There's a trend amongst some of the younger fans now to begin adopting the chanting and jeering as the kicker is making his run up.

????? Season ticket holder as well, can't remember any game last year where there was chanting. A odd shout but that is it!!!

Shelflife

Personally i hate the way that some fans think that silence is a "badge of honour" and shhhhh people who want to cat call.

vinny chase

Big Nelly wrote: »

????? Season ticket holder as well, can't remember any game last year where there was chanting. A odd shout but that is it!!!

I've read threads on the Leinster rugby forums about this very topic. Maybe you're not hearing what you don't want to hear?

mrboswell

Buceph wrote: »

Surely there's the drawing with one team appointed home and another away for deciding dressing rooms and jerseys?

Doesn't matter. Ref will never stop it.

Big Nelly

vinny chase wrote: »

I've read threads on the Leinster rugby forums about this very topic. Maybe you're not hearing what you don't want to hear?

Maybe so, it could be the happy memories of dancing in Cardiff last year has cleared my memory:D

Buceph

mrboswell wrote: »

Doesn't matter. Ref will never stop it.

I know he won't. In fact I don't know if this law is even still on the books. I just think it's an interesting bit of lore.



And to the person asking why should people shush shouters? Rugby has a big history, lore and tradition in Ireland, and a lot of quirks go with that. We're simply asking people to respect what has been done for donkeys years and makes up part of our identity.

Snickers Man

Shelflife wrote: »

Personally i hate the way that some fans think that silence is a "badge of honour" and shhhhh people who want to cat call.

Shush you. We don't want to hear that rubbish.

Shelflife

Snickers Man wrote: »

Shush you. We don't want to hear that rubbish.

QED

vinny chase

Shelflife wrote: »

QED

I think he was being ironic!

Ciaran-Irl

Buceph wrote: »

mrboswell wrote: »

Doesn't matter. Ref will never stop it.

I know he won't. In fact I don't know if this law is even still on the books. I just think it's an interesting bit of lore.



And to the person asking why should people shush shouters? Rugby has a big history, lore and tradition in Ireland, and a lot of quirks go with that. We're simply asking people to respect what has been done for donkeys years and makes up part of our identity.

Yes, but that is all it is. A tradition. It isn't offensive and it isn't about respect. Otherwise, people would shut up for lineouts - where noise is actually relevant given that the set piece needs a verbal call.

Buceph

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

Yes, but that is all it is. A tradition. It isn't offensive and it isn't about respect. Otherwise, people would shut up for lineouts - where noise is actually relevant given that the set piece needs a verbal call.

It bloody well is offensive. It's offending the history and traditions of rugby in Ireland that go back over a century.

mrboswell

Buceph wrote: »

It bloody well is offensive. It's offending the history and traditions of rugby in Ireland that go back over a century.

Yea but you but a ticket to a professional rugby match, you are not watching the match in the privacy of someone else's home.
Its a bit over sensitive to worry about someone making noise.
There is nothing wrong with a vocal home crowed.

Ciaran-Irl

Buceph wrote: »

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

Yes, but that is all it is. A tradition. It isn't offensive and it isn't about respect. Otherwise, people would shut up for lineouts - where noise is actually relevant given that the set piece needs a verbal call.

It bloody well is offensive. It's offending the history and traditions of rugby in Ireland that go back over a century.

... That random people in New Zealand make noise during kicks. Have you followed the thread or read the original post that I replied to?

paulmcshane

I cannot believe this is being discussed. Are we going to start blaming the missed kicks today because of "disrespectful" punters? Unbelievable.

ArmaniJeanss

They're professional athletes, they're used to this kind of thing, it rolls right off their back.

Buceph

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

... That random people in New Zealand make noise during kicks.

What? We were talking about an Irish tradition.

Have you followed the thread or read the original post that I replied to?

You were the one who quoted me. I posed a rhetoric device highlighting then answering the underlying question of why should we even be quiet during kicks anyway? You then quoted me and said it's only a tradition. So don't be giving me sarky responses.

mrboswell wrote: »

Yea but you but a ticket to a professional rugby match, you are not watching the match in the privacy of someone else's home.
Its a bit over sensitive to worry about someone making noise.
There is nothing wrong with a vocal home crowed.

Nothing at all wrong with a vocal home crowd. Just like there's nothing wrong with opposing fans being allowed to mix together, just like there's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in the stadium, just like there's nothing wrong with having terraces, just like there's nothing wrong with New Zealand doing the haka, just like there's nothing wrong with any number of things that make up the culture, community and identity that is rugby union. Staying quiet for kickers is something that's a part of Irish rugby. There's nothing inherently unjust about it, so there's no reason to change it. So because it makes up a part of what rugby is and means in Ireland, people who shout during kicks are disrespecting Irish rugby, not simply the kicker.

mrboswell

As a supporter you can show extra respect by remaining quiet if you so wish. It doesn't mean there are no "gentlemen"in the crowed. Anyway its in NZ so maybe their tradition is more important than yours.

If you feel that you are being disrespected you should get onto the IRB.

LightningBolt

Shelflife wrote: »

Personally i hate the way that some fans think that silence is a "badge of honour" and shhhhh people who want to cat call.

Personally despise people in a pub who shhhh a kick.

The rugby barstooler, the worst kind of rugby "fan".

Ciaran-Irl

Buceph wrote: »

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

... That random people in New Zealand make noise during kicks.

What? We were talking about an Irish tradition.

Have you followed the thread or read the original post that I replied to?

You were the one who quoted me. I posed a rhetoric device highlighting then answering the underlying question of why should we even be quiet during kicks anyway? You then quoted me and said it's only a tradition. So don't be giving me sarky responses.

mrboswell wrote: »

Yea but you but a ticket to a professional rugby match, you are not watching the match in the privacy of someone else's home.
Its a bit over sensitive to worry about someone making noise.
There is nothing wrong with a vocal home crowed.

Nothing at all wrong with a vocal home crowd. Just like there's nothing wrong with opposing fans being allowed to mix together, just like there's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol in the stadium, just like there's nothing wrong with having terraces, just like there's nothing wrong with New Zealand doing the haka, just like there's nothing wrong with any number of things that make up the culture, community and identity that is rugby union. Staying quiet for kickers is something that's a part of Irish rugby. There's nothing inherently unjust about it, so there's no reason to change it. So because it makes up a part of what rugby is and means in Ireland, people who shout during kicks are disrespecting Irish rugby, not simply the kicker.

I'm talking about the original post. Reread it.

McFry

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

They're professional athletes, they're used to this kind of thing, it rolls right off their back.

Digifriendly

On an interesting sidenote - don't think the same silence applies in soccer when a penalty is taken. Usually a chorus of boos from opposing fans.

Big Nelly

Think this has gone a bit mad, just a question guys!!!

Buceph

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

I'm talking about the original post. Reread it.

Then don't quote me.

onlyrocknroll

Big Nelly wrote: »

Hey Guys

Seen this in most games, now haven't watched every game. Not getting up at 1 to watch some games but everyone of the games I have watched there has been huge shouting and calling from the crowd. Is this the fact there is a lot of "non-rugby" fans attending these games?

Should they call out for quiet or just go for France route and just clap on kicks?

And finally could this be affecting the kickers? can't see how it can but just a question.

It's not because there's more "non-rugby" fans present, though obviously there probably are, it's just that the culture of silence for the kicker doesn't really apply to New Zealand. It exists here, and personally I think it's a great aspect of our rugby tradition, but it's unfair to judge other rugby nations by our standards.

I doubt it affects the kicker even slightly, they're well used to it. A professional athlete who has the metal to take high pressure kicks that can decide games and even tournaments should also have the strength of mind to drown out a little booing.

Also OP, congratulations on asking the most innocuous and politely worded question I've ever seen somehow cause offence on Boards.

justsomebloke

Mod warning. Please be civil, bans will be handed out if people if people go to far and attack the post not the poster

Big Nelly

onlyrocknroll wrote: »

Also OP, congratulations on asking the most innocuous and politely worded question I've ever seen somehow cause offence on Boards.

Sorry as I have mentioned its a question, I thought that what boards was for? if you can't ask a simple question here then what is boards for?

To be honest I typed up a couple of responses this morning to some of the childish responses but I couldn't be bothered.....sorry boards RUGBY EXPERTS for asking a question!!!!!!!!

vinny chase

Big Nelly wrote: »

Sorry as I have mentioned its a question, I thought that what boards was for? if you can't ask a simple question here then what is boards for?

To be honest I typed up a couple of responses this morning to some of the childish responses but I couldn't be bothered.....sorry boards RUGBY EXPERTS for asking a question!!!!!!!!

Eh, I don't think the guy in the post that you quoted was actually having a go at you.

He said you asked an innocuous and innocently worded question, and was saying that somehow this managed to offend other posters.

Having a go at some of the posters on the thread rather than you specifically would be my reading of it.

Big Nelly

vinny chase wrote: »

Eh, I don't think the guy in the post that you quoted was actually having a go at you.

He said you asked an innocuous and innocently worded question, and was saying that somehow this managed to offend other posters.

Having a go at some of the posters on the thread rather than you specifically would be my reading of it.

Hey wasnt having a go at him, sorry if it looked like that, I was actually quoting him based on him just answering my question without a smart arse comment which seems to be this forum