Dan Boyle says 2 there is an organised hypocrisy in Irish Society

anymore

To paraphrase Gerry Adams re the Provos, ' Dan Boyle hasnt gone away you know !'.
No indeed, he is writing a column in the free sheet Cork Independent under the byline ' The Insider,' By Dan Boyle.
Dealing mainly with Party Thinks-Ins, Mr Boyle halfway through the column, declares that " There is an organised hypocrisy in Irish society that applies different standards to different political parties. Larger parties are not expected to stand fro anything and because of this are less inclined to disappoint. Smaller parties exist because they are seen to have values and principles..........." He is comparing the Greens and Labour party experiences as coalition members.

I thought part of the Greens problem was that too many of thier own electorate, members and supporters decided that they had ditched their own principles.
The paper has a site : http://corkindependent.com/ but I am not sure if the column is carried on it.

So is Mr Boyle correct about ' organised hypocrisy or is he indulging in sour grapes, or perhaps it is combination of both ?

Dob74

I think he has a point. The GREENS did exactly what they said they where going to do.
decrease taxes on buying bicycles and lower admission cars. And increases taxes on
carbon.
They got wiped out while FF held a quarter of there seats.
The only mistake the greens made was supporting the bank gauruntee. At the time
Labour got slated for opposing it.
Smaller parties cant win they dont have the clout in the media.

anymore

Dob74 wrote: »

I think he has a point. The GREENS did exactly what they said they where going to do.
decrease taxes on buying bicycles and lower admission cars. And increases taxes on
carbon.
They got wiped out while FF held a quarter of there seats.
The only mistake the greens made was supporting the bank gauruntee. At the time
Labour got slated for opposing it.
Smaller parties cant win they dont have the clout in the media.

The probelm with Mr Boyle complaining about higher expectations being expected of smaller parties is thst the Greens claimed to be more moral ( or words to that effect) than any other irish political party. And as to access to the media, few other non-elected pliticians had as much access to the media as Mt Boyle - ther was a point when I ownder if he was a shareholder in Newstalk such was the free access he had to the station.

Liam Byrne

Dob74 wrote: »

I think he has a point. The GREENS did exactly what they said they where going to do.

Yeah, we all imagined the sleight-of-hand that allowed them get into bed with FF.

Dob74 wrote: »

The only mistake the greens made was supporting the bank gauruntee. At the time
Labour got slated for opposing it.

Ah yeah - they "only" supported the worst decison in the history of the state.

They also extremely pissed off rural voters by being almost fascist in their "stick first, carrot later" approach.

Dob74 wrote: »

Smaller parties cant win they dont have the clout in the media.

If they didn't do stupid things then some of us who ignore the media soundbytes and bias would still vote for them.

Scofflaw

When making tea, people tend to blame a bad flavour on unfamiliar tea rather than familiar water...while those who are used to the tea may think the water rank.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Liam Byrne

Scofflaw wrote: »

When making tea, people tend to blame a bad flavour on unfamiliar tea rather than familiar water...while those who are used to the tea may think the water rank.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Really ?

I blame the yukky chlorine that's been there ever since the local authority took over our self-installed and self-financed local water scheme in order to ensure that we'll have to pay for it soon.

So you could argue that the taste actually depends on the contaminants that it chooses to come into contact with.

Scofflaw

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Really ?

I blame the yukky chlorine that's been there ever since the local authority took over our self-installed and self-financed local water scheme in order to ensure that we'll have to pay for it soon.

So you could argue that the taste actually depends on the contaminants that it chooses to come into contact with.

In the analogy, Liam, that would count as "the water" - because no matter how good the tea might be, rank water makes rank tea.

cordially,
Scofflaw

anymore

Scofflaw wrote: »

When making tea, people tend to blame a bad flavour on unfamiliar tea rather than familiar water...while those who are used to the tea may think the water rank.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Well that is not a problem in Cork as we only drink Barry's tea, so it must be the water.

Liam Byrne

Scofflaw wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Really ?

I blame the yukky chlorine that's been there ever since the local authority took over our self-installed and self-financed local water scheme in order to ensure that we'll have to pay for it soon.

So you could argue that the taste actually depends on the contaminants that it chooses to come into contact with.

In the analogy, Liam, that would count as "the water" - because no matter how good the tea might be, rank water makes rank tea.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Without the water the tea still leaves a bitter aftertaste and the properties and merits of it as a cure for ills were highly over-rated.

anymore

often when trying to decide on the merits of a claim by thre greens, I refer to Gormley's Planet speech :

http://www.greenparty.ie/en/news/latest_news/address_by_john_gormley_to_the_national_convention


I would ask Mary Harney to tell us how you can have a world class health service ? which she promised ? if we continue to help the wealthy through further tax cuts. This election, my friends, has, regrettably, turned into a race to the bottom. The politics of the lowest common denominator, are irresponsible, they insult our intelligence and demean us all. Remember: ?Other parties promise you the sun, moon and stars, but only the Greens guarantee the earth?. .....


It doesn't matter what Bertie says or does, Michael will stick with him. The PD enforcer has become the Tammy Wynette of Irish politics, standing desperately by his man Bertie.



The gombeenism has to end, my friends. This is it. We have an unprecedented opportunity to change this society for the better. We have the policies, we have the people, but there can be no substitute for hard work. You can make it happen. You can end the nightmare of Planet Bertie in the summer of 2007. Radical, realistic, responsible and ready for government. The best is yet to come for this party

i usually find the answer there !

Foghladh

Did he clarify who was the Dark Lord 'organising' the hypocrisy?

anymore

Foghladh wrote: »

Did he clarify who was the Dark Lord 'organising' the hypocrisy?

I am afraid I have shredded the paoer for recycling, but from memory, it apparently is our fault, ie. the irish people - funny Boyle's political patron, Bertie ahern seems to share that view of the Irish people as well.

Foghladh

anymore wrote: »

I am afraid I have shredded the paoer for recycling, but from memory, it apparently is our fault, ie. the irish people - funny Boyle's political patron, Bertie ahern seems to share that view of the Irish people as well.

Well I can see how they might become jaded in the service of a thankless public. For my part I agreed with a little of what he had to say regarding party values, but felt he was pushing the excuse of 'a victim of the system' a little too much. To be honest I never really understood the value of Dan Boyle anyway. Mind you to his credit he's probably the only Senator I could have named in the last session of the Oireachtas apart from David Norris. Maybe Mary O' Rourke now that I concentrate. God bless the power of Twitter!

Scofflaw

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Without the water the tea still leaves a bitter aftertaste and the properties and merits of it as a cure for ills were highly over-rated.

Many people had it in their heads that it cured something it didn't.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Liam Byrne

Scofflaw wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Without the water the tea still leaves a bitter aftertaste and the properties and merits of it as a cure for ills were highly over-rated.

Many people had it in their heads that it cured something it didn't.

cordially,
Scofflaw

They still voted for the disastrous Bank Guarantee and still ditched the "polluter pays" concept in favour of the "stick first for all / presumption of guiltiness with no option for being good' approach.

Anyway, we've discussed this previously so no point re-hashing it apart from pointing out that it is Boyle who is the hypocrite by refusing to acknowledge their failures and the reason for their demise.....

....they have quite obviously been infected by their (former) bedfellows' deliusions.

raymon

Good riddance to the greens for propping up the FFers while they destroyed the country.

markpb

raymon wrote: »

Good riddance to the greens for propping up the FFers while they destroyed the country.

Really? You think all the destruction was done 2007 - 2011? Is there a hint of selective amnesia going on there?

raymon

markpb wrote: »

Really? You think all the destruction was done 2007 - 2011? Is there a hint of selective amnesia going on there?

Where did I say that.? Please don't make up quotes for me

The fact that the greens propped this band of incompetent traitors up at any point in the destruction of our economy is deplorable. Good riddance to good for nothing greens

conorhal

anymore wrote: »

The probelm with Mr Boyle complaining about higher expectations being expected of smaller parties is thst the Greens claimed to be more moral ( or words to that effect) than any other irish political party. And as to access to the media, few other non-elected pliticians had as much access to the media as Mt Boyle - ther was a point when I ownder if he was a shareholder in Newstalk such was the free access he had to the station.

Lets face it, the moral high ground is a pretty easy place to seize of you can get there merely by making a speach (or a tweet).
It's one thing to claim the moral high ground, it's another to climb it, as 'ol Eamo Glibmore has lately discovered to his cost.
The truth is that the smaller parties are just as ideologically bankrupt at the larger ones, they all pander at the same pump, just to a different parish.

anymore

markpb wrote: »

Really? You think all the destruction was done 2007 - 2011? Is there a hint of selective amnesia going on there?

Well the point is that the Greens knowing what they knew about FF hopped happily, and lucratively I might say, into bed with FF. That might be explained as a necessary evil in many circumstances until Gormley & Co enunciated their new " That was when we were in opposition" policy and refused to take a moral stand on the revelations of the Mahon Tribunal regarding Ahern. For me that was moral cowardice and naked selfish opportunism of the highest order. That they were at the same time engaged in a Stalinist type purge of the Party only makes matters worse.

raymon

The greens squandered their one and only chance.

All that mattered was being in government .

History will not be kind to the greens

Dan boyle should crawl back under the FF rock where they are all hiding