Omitting Clergy at 9/11 Ceremony Prompts Protest in New York

the culture of deference

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/nyregion/omitting-clergy-from-911-ceremony-prompts-protest.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

In 2001 The second Sunday after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, New York clergy members of many faiths joined elected officials at Yankee Stadium in a city-sponsored memorial ceremony that melded the sacred and the secular, replete with flags, prayers and tears.


Ten years later, any consensus that existed about the appropriate role of religion in public ceremonies marking a monumental American trauma has fallen apart.



Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has come under attack by some religious and political leaders for not including clergy members as speakers at Sunday’s official ceremony at ground zero on the 10th anniversary of the attacks.






About fcuking time. I have often wondered why the delusional religious are allowed hijack public events like this, or asked (or give) their pointless opinion.


Every time you hear of road deaths in the paper there is always a comment from the local religious rep, getting his publicity. Why?



I was in Tullamore 2 years ago the day after the murphy catholic abuse report came out. Their was a music concert on at the harbour, and they let a priest onstage to talk sh1t, and do a blessing of the boats and people.

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Einhard

the culture of deference wrote: »

Every time you hear of road deaths in the paper there is always a comment from the local religious rep, getting his publicity. Why?

Because quite often, the local PP will know a lot about the locality and the people living there, and thus would be in a good position to give an indication of how such events have impacted on the community.

I was in Tullamore 2 years ago the day after the murphy catholic abuse report came out. Their was a music concert on at the harbour, and they let a priest onstage to talk sh1t, and do a blessing of the boats and people.

Did the priest in question abuse children, or cover up abuse? If so, I fail to see the relevance of linking the two. Quite a lot of priests are well respected in their communities, and it's often at the behest of the local people that they called upon at such functions.

If no other religious figures are included in the ceremony, then why should they be?

partyatmygaff

If they were invited there ten years ago, they should be invited there again. It's hardly as if the people who were affected by 9/11 have changed since then.

Freddie59

the culture of deference wrote: »

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/nyregion/omitting-clergy-from-911-ceremony-prompts-protest.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

In 2001 The second Sunday after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, New York clergy members of many faiths joined elected officials at Yankee Stadium in a city-sponsored memorial ceremony that melded the sacred and the secular, replete with flags, prayers and tears.


Ten years later, any consensus that existed about the appropriate role of religion in public ceremonies marking a monumental American trauma has fallen apart.



Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has come under attack by some religious and political leaders for not including clergy members as speakers at Sunday’s official ceremony at ground zero on the 10th anniversary of the attacks.






About fcuking time. I have often wondered why the delusional religious are allowed hijack public events like this, or asked (or give) their pointless opinion.


Every time you hear of road deaths in the paper there is always a comment from the local religious rep, getting his publicity. Why?



I was in Tullamore 2 years ago the day after the murphy catholic abuse report came out. Their was a music concert on at the harbour, and they let a priest onstage to talk sh1t, and do a blessing of the boats and people.

*Sigh. Here we go again....all priests are paedophiles....blah, blah.:rolleyes:

the culture of deference

Freddie59 wrote: »

*Sigh. Here we go again....all priests are paedophiles....blah, blah.:rolleyes:

Where did I use the term paedophiles

DjFlin

Its a different situation here. Most of Ireland remains catholic today, that's why the Church has so much involvement in society. But America is the self-proclaimed home to all, regardless of race, gender and religion.
I've nothing against clergy being there, but in a country like that, I think clergy from all religions should be invited, or clergy from none.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

If they were invited there ten years ago, they should be invited there again. It's hardly as if the people who were affected by 9/11 have changed since then.

Yeah, and if black people had to use separate schools/restrooms/etc, they should today. Things/People do change, its stupid to say they don't...

partyatmygaff

DjFlin wrote: »

Yeah, and if black people had to use separate schools/restrooms/etc, they should today. Things/People do change, its stupid to say they don't...

That's an extremely bad analogy.

The clergy members invited back in 2001 more than likely all had some link to the people affected by the attack. Considering the people who were affected by the attack have not and will never change it doesn't make sense to invite them in 2001 but not in 2011.

the culture of deference

DjFlin wrote: »

Its a different situation here. Most of Ireland remains catholic today, that's why the Church has so much involvement in society. But America is the self-proclaimed home to all, regardless of race, gender and religion.
I've nothing against clergy being there, but in a country like that, I think clergy from all religions should be invited, or clergy from none.




Yeah, and if black people had to use separate schools/restrooms/etc, they should today. Things/People do change, its stupid to say they don't...

Most of Ireland is NOT catholic in any way.

When a foreign entity arrives and announces itself as gods warriors on earth, indoctrinates you against your will, and then doesn't let you leave ... EVER, then controls the government, we then end up where we are now.

partyatmygaff

the culture of deference wrote: »

Most of Ireland is NOT catholic in any way.

When a foreign entity arrives and announces itself as gods warriors on earth, indoctrinates you against your will, and then doesn't let you leave ... EVER, then controls the government, we then end up where we are now.

*yawn*

Oh look, it's an anti-Catholic rant with a 9/11 theme. Haven't seen one of them posted before on AH.

Nodin

the culture of deference wrote: »

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/nyregion/omitting-clergy-from-911-ceremony-prompts-protest.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=general

In 2001 The second Sunday after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, New York clergy members of many faiths joined elected officials at Yankee Stadium in a city-sponsored memorial ceremony that melded the sacred and the secular, replete with flags, prayers and tears.


Ten years later, any consensus that existed about the appropriate role of religion in public ceremonies marking a monumental American trauma has fallen apart.



Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has come under attack by some religious and political leaders for not including clergy members as speakers at Sunday’s official ceremony at ground zero on the 10th anniversary of the attacks.






About fcuking time. I have often wondered why the delusional religious are allowed hijack public events like this, or asked (or give) their pointless opinion.


Every time you hear of road deaths in the paper there is always a comment from the local religious rep, getting his publicity. Why?



I was in Tullamore 2 years ago the day after the murphy catholic abuse report came out. Their was a music concert on at the harbour, and they let a priest onstage to talk sh1t, and do a blessing of the boats and people.

Or, they would have to invite a cleric from every religion that lost a member. That would include muslims, so to avoid the lunatics that would irritate, he decided on having none.

DjFlin

partyatmygaff wrote: »

That's an extremely bad analogy.

I know, I'm sorry :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The clergy members invited back in 2001 more than likely all had some link to the people affected by the attack. Considering the people who were affected by the attack have not and will never change it doesn't make sense to invite them in 2001 but not in 2011.

Honestly, I think we all kinda missed the point to begin with.

There is another thread here about the emergency services that were at 9.11 who weren't invited.

This isn't about religion, they weren't invited because the organizers what the guests kept to a minimum. That's why the firefighters aren't going, that's why the clergy aren't going.

Teclo

the culture of deference wrote: »

About fcuking time. I have often wondered why the delusional religious are allowed hijack public events like this, or asked (or give) their pointless opinion.

So members of the public who have religious beliefs are not to be represented at any public event. That's pointless liberalism for you. :rolleyes:

AudreyHepburn

I've heard it all now.

OP you can't seriously think it's ok to use an event like 9/11 as stick to beat the Catholic Church?!

Thousands of people died in the most horrific way imaginable that day. Please leave the anti-religious ranting out of it, there is a time and place for that if you really must do it. This isn't it.

AnonoBoy

I was in a 7/11 once and saw a priest, a rabbi and a minister all get refused service.

Maybe they had the right idea?

Cossax

It looks like I somehow ended up in that delusional Christianity forum despite being sure I started off in After Hours. :rolleyes:

KeithM89_old

Take it to the 9/11 forum or Christianity or anywhere else....