Would you rather be in a crash thats your fault and the person survives or . . .

dillo2k10

So I was in the car with my Dad and a motorbike came up on the side of me, weaving in and out of traffic. I kept looking to see where the bike was and he said not to mind the bike if he crashes it will be his fault. And I said thats no good if the man dies.

Anyway I ended up asking him would he rather if we crashed and it was his fault and he died or if it was my fault and he survived.

He said that he would rather it was his fault and he died than my fault and he survived. I thought the opposite, that it would be better if it were my fault and he survived.

So what would be your though on this? Would you rather be at fault or have someone die?

Dravokivich

In my opinion, It'd be my responsiblity to look out for whatever is going on around me regardless of the actions being taken by others. As per the issue you highlighted with the nutter on the motorbike.

With regards to your question, I wouldn't like to bear the burden of being involved in an accident that was a result of my actions. Especially if it affects someone else.

But I'm not too sure what your 2 scenarios mean.

In the first he said he'd rather if he died as a result of his accident, but if you were to cause an accident, he rather he died still.

I think he's responding to you more so as a father, as opposed to someone considering the stigma that would be associated to the person responsible.

hondasam

I would rather be at fault and no one die. your post is a little confusing.

ottostreet

I would rather live, regardless of fault.

CapriSunFun

I'd choose being at fault if it means no one has to die.

What about this one;
If you were driving a car with passengers and crashed(it being your fault), would you rather you live but everyone else in the car dies, or everyone lives but you die.

This is a weird game of "would you rather".

hondasam

I have to drive tonight so I'd rather not think about it. safe travelling everyone.

Dravokivich

hondasam wrote: »

I have to drive tonight so I'd rather not think about it. safe travelling everyone.

You too!

Sheeps

id rather just not be in an accident all together.

Podge2k7

I would gladly be at fault if it meant no one dies.

But the ideal scenario would be no accident occuring.

sdanseo

In both scenarios the driver dies and the passenger survives, so I'd rather not be driving. In reality, possibly the worst scenario would be to driving and survive while your passenger is killed -now that would leave most wishing the seats had been swapped, at least temporarily.

OP - come over to me and I'll let you drive me around at high speed to put your theory to the test. Just get that will in order first.

policarp

It's survival of the fittest in this dog eat dog, rat race we're living in now.
Look after No 1.

RMD

No matter how dangerous the people around you are driving (putting them at fault) it's still extremely important to watch where they are as not only may you end up hurting them (knocking him off the bike) but they also pose a danger to you and your car through their recklessness.

If I wasn't aware of the biker and he crashed + died I'd feel no remorse as there's nothing I could have done, but if I was in your father's position and knew he was there, well I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing I made no effort to avoid a crash. Even if it is the biker's fault.

Abi

dillo2k10 wrote: »

So I was in the car with my Dad and a motorbike came up on the side of me, weaving in and out of traffic. I kept looking to see where the bike was and he said not to mind the bike if he crashes it will be his fault. And I said thats no good if the man dies.

Anyway I ended up asking him would he rather if we crashed and it was his fault and he died or if it was my fault and he survived.

He said that he would rather it was his fault and he died than my fault and he survived. I thought the opposite, that it would be better if it were my fault and he survived.

So what would be your though on this? Would you rather be at fault or have someone die?

You know, I think your father is right on this one. By the sounds of it, the guy on the bike didn't particularly care about anyone elses safety, swerving dangerously in and out of traffic.

I'm not suggesting you should ignore him, do be on alert for yours and your fathers safety. If the guy on the bike wants to take his life in his own hands, then that's his problem.

TheZohanS

dillo2k10 wrote: »

So I was in the car with my Dad and a motorbike came up on the side of me, weaving in and out of traffic. I kept looking to see where the bike was and he said not to mind the bike if he crashes it will be his fault. And I said thats no good if the man dies.

Anyway I ended up asking him would he rather if we crashed and it was his fault and he died or if it was my fault and he survived.

He said that he would rather it was his fault and he died than my fault and he survived. I thought the opposite, that it would be better if it were my fault and he survived.

So what would be your though on this? Would you rather be at fault or have someone die?

Your old man is a dick, but he has a point, ignore a bike that's filtering.

Abi wrote: »

You know, I think your father is right on this one. By the sounds of it, the guy on the bike didn't particularly care about anyone elses safety, swerving dangerously in and out of traffic.

I'm not suggesting you would ignore him, do be on alert for yours and your fathers safety. If the guy on the bike wants to take his life in his own hands, then that's his problem.

It's legal to filter between traffic, most riders that do it have enough skill to do it correctly and it's only when a car driver reacts and freaks out to it that you'll see an accident.

WindSock

Funnily enough, I was just thinking of this today while driving. I would hate to be responsible for someone elses death or paralysis through wreckless driving. I am actually thinking of giving up the driving for a while, I love driving so much but I am a bit of an egg at the moment.

Abi

TheZohan wrote: »

It's legal to filter between traffic, most riders that do it have enough skill to do it correctly and it's only when a car driver reacts and freaks out to it that you'll see an accident.

I understand that, but with due care for other motorists.


If I see someone on a bike approaching I'll take a left position in my lane and allow him to pass. It's when someone on a bike overtakes and stops just dead ahead of you because they didn't allow enough room for the maneoeuvre in the first place, then it becomes a problem for the car driver and the traffic behind if you suddenly have to jam on the brakes for fear of rear-ending him.


I'm not saying this is what happened to the OP, but it's been a problem in my experience.

bucketybuck

Maybe I am a monster or something, but frankly, I see so many complete twats driving that I no longer have any sympathy for those who get into accidents.

Many times I have had arseh0les pass me on blind corners or tailgate me for miles before jumping into oncoming traffic to get by. (and no, I am not some granny doing 40mph, I just travel mainly on very busy roads). And to be honest, very often I have the thought as I see them move onto the next car, that they are going to crash, and when they do I would love to laugh at them and toot the horn as I pass the tree they just wrapped themselves around.

My only hope is that these people do not take any other cars with them when they crash. But frankly, it is very easy to drive safely and never cause an accident, and if some twat on a motorbike decides to drive like a twat and get killed well **** him, thats his problem.

Discodog

We all need to adopt "defensive driving" as taught by the IAM. The principle being that you assume that everyone else is an idiot & could do something stupid at any time.

But we also wrongly expect people to be infallible. We all make mistakes & even the tiniest lack of concentration can result in death.

Abi

bucketybuck wrote: »

Maybe I am a monster or something, but frankly, I see so many complete twats driving that I no longer have any sympathy for those who get into accidents.

Nope, you're not. I'm of the same line of thinking. Fine if they're on a suicide mission, but you and whatever passengers you have on board come first imo.

My only hope is that these people do not take any other cars with them when they crash. But frankly, it is very easy to drive safely and never cause an accident, and if some twat on a motorbike decides to drive like a twat and get killed well **** him, thats his problem.

+1

Ghost Train

Ideally I'd like if real driving was more like Super Mario Kart battle mode

Emiko

TheZohan wrote: »

It's legal to filter between traffic, most riders that do it have enough skill to do it correctly and it's only when a car driver reacts and freaks out to it that you'll see an accident.

Are you sure it's legal?

When I was learning I was told it's illegal, because you're making an extra lane. Most bikers do it anyway (the same with bikers in the bus lane, the cops just turn a blind eye).

I know there was a case in England since then, in 2006, which basically made it legal there, which would be given consideration in a case here, but I'm not entirely sure on it's legality here.

TheZohanS

Emiko wrote: »

Are you sure it's legal?

When I was learning I was told it's illegal, because you're making an extra lane. Most bikers do it anyway (the same with bikers in the bus lane, the cops just turn a blind eye).

I know there was a case in England since then, in 2006, which basically made it legal there, which would be given consideration in a case here, but I'm not entirely sure on it's legality here.

Lane splitting is permitted in the following countries:


Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Croatia
Cyprus
Estonia
Greece
Ireland
Italy
Japan
Mexico
Netherlands (jurisprudence assigns responsibility in case of accidents to the car driver [60])
Norway
Oman
Poland [61]
Portugal
Qatar
Singapore
Spain
South Africa
Turkey
U.A.E.
United Kingdom
United States

Yup.