Welsh Fan dies outside Wembley

pistolpetes11

When will people learn ?

I have been to countless Rugby and GAA events and never seen so much as a scuffle between supporters whom are mixed together , what is it with the followers of soccer,

Be it LOI or EPL fighting seems to be widespread

Being a big Chelsea fan myself I have seen it first hand after one or two games and the hatred between opposition supports is so vicious it mind boggling


danroan Dan Roan
by SamWallaceIndy
Breaking: Met confirm Welsh fan in his 40s has died of head injuries following a fight outside Wembley - 6 supporters in custody

budgemook

Thread name is harsh and might not be true.

Edit. I see what you're getting at and I understand but murder is a very strong word.

dannydiamond

Steady on there.

I've been reading that all six fans arrested were Welsh. If this is the case it's nothing to do with the 'hatred' you refer to between opposing sets of supporters.

Prob more like a drunken fight that got out of hand.
'Murder' seems excessive a term to use when you have no idea what happened, blindingly blaming 'opposition' fans for said murder is an alarming assumption to make.

Soby

It apparently was all welsh fans.Police are treating it as murder though

pistolpetes11

dannydiamond wrote: »

Steady on there.

I've been reading that all six fans arrested were Welsh. If this is the case it's nothing to do with the 'hatred' you refer to between opposing sets of supporters.

They can be Welsh and Still be opposition fans ,

Cardiff or Swansea

Ebbs

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

I have been to countless Rugby and GAA events and never seen so much as a scuffle between supporters whom are mixed together , what is it with the followers of soccer,

Be it LOI or EPL fighting seems to be widespread

RIP to the welsh fan, it is truely horrible to see.

However, please dont use examples you know nothing about. There is regularly fighting in GAA and rugby it just goes unreported. Two senior schools rugby teams were caught fighting two years or so ago, one player was glassed and had very serious injuries. It happens more regular than you think.

In town on match days you'll find fights between two sets of GAA fans over nothing. Im sure everyone has seen one in the early hours of the morning between two pissed GAA supporters.

Football is just the scape goat, be it LoI or EPL it is always the sport that gets the blame for fan violence/cheating/players being too soft/players being to "kick'em/etc. Dont fall into the media's trap.

Sad day for sport as a whole though that this happened. Perhaps when details are released a clearer picture will be given. Wonder where the 6 arrested supporters were from

The_Kew_Tour

RIP

sad news

The Volt

Rumours strongly has it that it was bunch of Swansea fans beating up a Cardiff fan. The type of stuff you'd only expect to see in Turkey.

dannydiamond

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

They can be Welsh and Still be opposition fans ,

Cardiff or Swansea

Now you're getting silly, more 'rumours'.

CSF

Praying a thread about someone's death doesn't turn into a GAA/Rugby/Football insultfest. There was really no need to bring it into the OP.

RIP.

pistolpetes11

Ebbs wrote: »

RIP to the welsh fan, it is truely horrible to see.

However, please dont use examples you know nothing about. There is regularly fighting in GAA and rugby it just goes unreported. Two senior schools rugby teams were caught fighting two years or so ago, one player was glassed and had very serious injuries. It happens more regular than you think.

In town on match days you'll find fights between two sets of GAA fans over nothing. Im sure everyone has seen one in the early hours of the morning between two pissed GAA supporters.

Football is just the scape goat, be it LoI or EPL it is always the sport that gets the blame for fan violence/cheating/players being too soft/players being to "kick'em/etc. Dont fall into the media's trap.

Sad day for sport as a whole though that this happened. Perhaps when details are released a clearer picture will be given. Wonder where the 6 arrested supporters were from

I did say I have been at countless games without seeing any hassle (Rugby,GAA) so I think I know what I am talking about.

Again I mentioned @ games not in Coppers after 15 pints on a match night

pistolpetes11

dannydiamond wrote: »

Now you're getting silly, more 'rumours'.

Have a read up on it and come back to me :rolleyes:

I am just going on the information I am seeing on the other football forums

K-9

Reports that it's 6 Wales supporters arrested and a Wales fan killed.

Think we can withhold the presumptions for a while.

Ebbs

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

I did say I have been at countless games without seeing any hassle (Rugby,GAA) so I think I know what I am talking about.

Again I mentioned @ games not in Coppers after 15 pints on a match night

Ive been supporting an LoI team, one of the more "notorious" ones, for about 10 seasons, thats 380 matches and I have literally never seen anything serious happen bar some Danny Dyer impressions and THAT person hit with a brolly on tv3 that was replayed 40 times.

Its all the same. Trouble happens traditionally away from stadiums even in LoI/EPL.

pistolpetes11

CSF wrote: »

Praying a thread about someone's death doesn't turn into a GAA/Rugby/Football insultfest. There was really no need to bring it into the OP.

RIP.

In was in no way aimed at that , in-fact my point was does the integration of fans policy that the GAA and Rugby use work out a lot better.

I know it would prob never work in football at this stage as some rivalries have gone too far

dannydiamond

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Have a read up on it and come back to me :rolleyes:

I am just going on the information I am seeing on the other football forums

Football forums aren't the most reliable source for this type of information.

There's probably only a handful of people who actually know what happened it's safe to assume.


Anyway,

Such sad news.:(

Frisbee

Let's keep this on topic and away from sweeping stereotypes and willy waving and we'll be fine.

pistolpetes11

dannydiamond wrote: »

Football forums aren't the most reliable source for this type of information.

There's probably only a handful of people who actually know what happened it's safe to assume.


Anyway,

Such sad news.:(

True its a sad day when you go out to watch any sports game and dont make it back home alive

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

When will people learn ?

I have been to countless Rugby and GAA events and never seen so much as a scuffle between supporters whom are mixed together , what is it with the followers of soccer,

Be it LOI or EPL fighting seems to be widespread

Being a big Chelsea fan myself I have seen it first hand after one or two games and the hatred between opposition supports is so vicious it mind boggling


danroan Dan Roan
by SamWallaceIndy
Breaking: Met confirm Welsh fan in his 40s has died of head injuries following a fight outside Wembley - 6 supporters in custody

In order words, you 'll just use any incident to try and prove that other sports fans are in some way more sophisticated than soccer fans, right?

pistolpetes11

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

In order words, you 'll just use any incident to try and prove that other sports fans are in some way more sophisticated than soccer fans, right?

Nope as I said above I wondered does the integration policy work a lot better.

I go to Rugby , GAA and soccer games , Im a huge sports fan .

Fight_Night

very sad news. RIP.

Johner

Awful news. RIP.

x PyRo

Awful. :-(

RIP.

bobbysands81

Ebbs wrote: »

In town on match days you'll find fights between two sets of GAA fans over nothing. Im sure everyone has seen one in the early hours of the morning between two pissed GAA supporters.

I've been attending GAA matches all my life and I cannot recall ever seeing physical fights between opposing fans in or around stadia.

I've attended maybe 60 Shamrock Rovers games and seen many many fights at them... including getting batton charged by Gardai after huge fights during a Rovers Bohs game after Rovers casuals turned up in the Bohs end of the ground.

craggles

You've never been to Carrick on Suir for a Hurling matchday so.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Sky saying the man had a heart-attack and head injuries.

http://m.skysports.com/article/football//7154747

Terrible news, RIP.

And OP, there was no need to being any other sport into this.

bucketybuck

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

I did say I have been at countless games without seeing any hassle (Rugby,GAA) so I think I know what I am talking about.

I wonder what Mark McGovern thinks about that?

Augmerson

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

When will people learn ?

I have been to countless Rugby and GAA events and never seen so much as a scuffle between supporters whom are mixed together , what is it with the followers of soccer,

Be it LOI or EPL fighting seems to be widespread

Please remind me again of instances of LOI fans battling each other and killing each other. Also OP how many Spanish, Italian, Dutch, German, Portuguese, Danish, Swedish, Polish, Swiss, Hungarian, Cypriot, Greek, Czech, Finnish, Norwegian, French and American soccer games have you been to where fights broke out or people were injured?

flas

very sad news, r.i.p. horrible end to what was just a supporter going to a match...

but how are the mods letting the op's posts keep going on about how rugby/gaa fans are compared to football fans... wasnt there a lad kicked to death because of rugby school rivalry a few years ago!? go into dublin city centre after any of the big matches in croke park and tell me how much of a sophisticated crowd some gaa supporters are!? the vast vast majority of trouble to do with football matches happens away from the ground, either before or after matches, the exact same as gaa matches, this is why just called public order and not hooliganism! id love to see some gardai figures for public order offences in or around the harcourt street/ camden street areas for after big games in croker, id say the rates go up to put it nicely...but sher its just passion at these sports, they have no trouble makers! some auld fella in the back arse of clare hitting a ref at a under 12 hurling match is not crowd trouble!

Paully D

Fucking hell. Why does this happen in this day and age?

If anybody wants to, have a read about Brice Taton, the lad went to a game in Belgrade as a Toulouse fan and never made it back. The link isn't for the faint hearted by the way. I tear up when I read it.

http://www.brice-taton.com/lagression/index-en.html

It's unreal to think it could happen to any of us.

RIP

flas

Paully D wrote: »

Fucking hell. Why does this happen in this day and age?

If anybody wants to, have a read about Brice Taton, the lad went to a game in Belgrade as a Toulouse fan and never made it back. The link isn't for the faint hearted by the way. I tear up when I read it.

http://www.brice-taton.com/lagression/index-en.html

It's unreal to think it could happen to any of us.

RIP

that is unreal, so sad

pistolpetes11

THFC wrote: »

Sky saying the man had a heart-attack and head injuries.

http://m.skysports.com/article/football//7154747

Terrible news, RIP.

And OP, there was no need to being any other sport into this.

To yourself and the last couple of posters, I am questioning the merit of the segregation of fans at soccer games, compared against other sports where fans are integrated .

I used the two ther sports as mere examples , in hindsight I should of used golf / athletics/ hockey but I don't attend that many events of the aforementioned sports.

pistolpetes11

Paully D wrote: »

Fucking hell. Why does this happen in this day and age?

If anybody wants to, have a read about Brice Taton, the lad went to a game in Belgrade as a Toulouse fan and never made it back. The link isn't for the faint hearted by the way. I tear up when I read it.

http://www.brice-taton.com/lagression/index-en.html

It's unreal to think it could happen to any of us.

RIP

Extremely sad to see something like that happen in this day and age, turns the stomach to think about it.

flas

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

To yourself and the last couple of posters, I am questioning the merit of the segregation of fans at soccer games, compared against other sports where fans are integrated .

I used the two ther sports as mere examples , in hindsight I should of used golf / athletics/ hockey but I don't attend that many events of the aforementioned sports.

i think the merits of segregation at football games helps to add to the athmosphere, when the fans are segregated... at all first division games in loi none of the fans are segregated, and its only certain clubs in the premier where it happens when they are playing each other...

Jelle1880

'Mr Dye, who worked for Cardiff Council’s highways department, had commented regularly on Cardiff City FC football websites and there were suggestions that he had links with hooligans.

Posting under the name Ely Trendy, he wrote in 2009 about a series of fights he had been involved during the 1980s at the height of football hooliganism.

He talked about sitting alongside opposing fans and said in 1984 at a Fulham FC match and said he ‘battled to get out in one piece’.

In another post he said in Colchester in 1985 ‘our train mob all on there, midweek game about 20 us, fighting like f***’

Last year he was arrested and appeared in court for football violence-related offences.

It was not known what caused the attack but police do not believe that any England fans were involved.

Police also dismissed any links to rivalry between Cardiff and Swansea clubs.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034520/Football-fan-beaten-death-fight-outside-Wembley-ahead-Euro-Championship-qualifier.html#ixzz1XDxqAw8z

Sounds like some fight between Welsh fans.

ironbluedun

been to a fair few football matches in england over the years and sometimes the atmosphere is not the best. a lot of hate in the air.
dont compare english football with the gaa. at gaa matches the atmosphere is totally from a different planet.

stovelid

ironbluedun wrote: »

dont compare english football with the gaa. at gaa matches the atmosphere is totally from a different planet.

A man is dead.

It would be nice to somehow accept this without waving our dicks around for our beloved saintly sports.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Nope as I said above I wondered does the integration policy work a lot better.

I go to Rugby , GAA and soccer games , Im a huge sports fan .

Then why bring other sports into it? It has been said that the root of a lof of football violcence is not football, it's hooliganism using football as a cover. Anyway, considering it was a Welsh fan who was attacked by Welsh fans, what king of segration are you suggesting?

Also,

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

When will people learn ?

I have been to countless Rugby and GAA events and never seen so much as a scuffle between supporters whom are mixed together , what is it with the followers of soccer,

Be it LOI or EPL fighting seems to be widespread

Being a big Chelsea fan myself I have seen it first hand after one or two games and the hatred between opposition supports is so vicious it mind boggling


danroan Dan Roan
by SamWallaceIndy
Breaking: Met confirm Welsh fan in his 40s has died of head injuries following a fight outside Wembley - 6 supporters in custody

- the bit in bold seems both exaggerated and confrontational. I mean, come on, think about it. "Widespread fighting"?? Seriously?