Discovery 4... 5 Seater Commericial

Theanswers

Well,
What do people think?

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Land-Rover/Discovery/5-SEAT-C/201134204130776/advert?channel=CARS

Does this mean cheap proper five seat commercials for all?

barura

What on earth? How can it be commercial without having the boot seperated?

Theanswers

Apprantely this is to do with changes in the VRT Rules.

About time, It's great news!

barura

Oh? What are the new rules? Link?

Theanswers

https://sites.google.com/site/apluckwill/land-rovers/discovery-4-commercial-van-2011---republic-of-ireland

barura

Noice!

Guy:Incognito

Theanswers wrote: »

https://sites.google.com/site/apluckwill/land-rovers/discovery-4-commercial-van-2011---republic-of-ireland

€999 rate of private motor tax?

Theanswers

not to sure about the whole thing myself.
Think it is correct though, seen two different dealerships on carzone offering 5 seater commericial.

101sean

The only thing commercial about that is the lack of the optional seven seats and reduced rate of VRT due to it being classed N1. Significant VRT saving but still dearer than UK. The proper factory commercial is a two seater, no doubt the revenue in due course will tighten up on what's N1 :rolleyes:

Incidentally, all Defenders are N1 regardless of build, even 110 County Station Wagons

Gophur

Theanswers wrote: »

https://sites.google.com/site/apluckwill/land-rovers/discovery-4-commercial-van-2011---republic-of-ireland

He's wrong about the VRT rate, it's calculated on the OMSP,. not the invoice.

tony.aspergers

Gophur wrote: »

He's wrong about the VRT rate, it's calculated on the OMSP,. not the invoice.

Not if bought new and UK dealer invoice presented to VRT officer......apparently.

And the road tax had just gone up in all cases too.

Eric Cartman

101sean wrote: »

The only thing commercial about that is the lack of the optional seven seats and reduced rate of VRT due to it being classed N1. Significant VRT saving but still dearer than UK. The proper factory commercial is a two seater, no doubt the revenue in due course will tighten up on what's N1 :rolleyes:

Incidentally, all Defenders are N1 regardless of build, even 110 County Station Wagons

still though, make hay while the sun shines and all that , any other vehicles in this lovely gap, the new amazon ? range rovers ? x5s ? something else mental ?

13.3% vrt , 300 tax and cheap commercial insurance would certainly attract me to a 'crewcab' disco

tony.aspergers

Unfortunately, the 5 seat Discovery 4 Commercial is taxed at the private rate based on the older "engine size" tax rate, now €1,390 (from Jan 2012). This actually makes it more expensive on road tax than the full 7 seater HSE model (bearing in mind all 2012 Discovery 4's in Ireland are coming with the detuned 211PS TDV6 3.0 litre engine option, as it drops a whole VRT band in HSE format, and offers 36mpg combined, quoted).

It is also worth bearing in mind, that rumour has it that the 2013 Discovery 4 will have a new 3.0 litre SDV6 diesel-electric hybrid engine that is currently being tested in Range Rover Sports in the UK - those tests have returned a CO2 figure of just 89g/km!!!!!!! Now imagine what that figure would do to sales of such models here in Ireland!!!!!!!!

101sean

Land Rover are making a big effort to get emissions down, even to the extent of selling 2wd Freelanders and Evoques (sheer heresy in the eyes of many!)

The next Range Rover is going to be all alloy and do 40mpg, the original 1969 classic would be lucky to do 14mpg. Hybrid ERAD 4x4 won't be far behind (engine drives front wheels with electric rear axle drive)

vetstu

tony.aspergers wrote: »

It is also worth bearing in mind, that rumour has it that the 2013 Discovery 4 will have a new 3.0 litre SDV6 diesel-electric hybrid engine that is currently being tested in Range Rover Sports in the UK - those tests have returned a CO2 figure of just 89g/km!!!!!!! Now imagine what that figure would do to sales of such models here in Ireland!!!!!!!!

Chaype tax. Sure why wouldn't you spend €60000 on it

L-M

LR sales have been dead since mid 08, this is well over due.

Should boost them back up again.

pburns

Theanswers wrote: »

https://sites.google.com/site/apluckwill/land-rovers/discovery-4-commercial-van-2011---republic-of-ireland

Why has the dude who owns that 90s-type personal site got a section dedicated to deals on LR Discovery??

tony.aspergers

pburns wrote: »

Why has the dude who owns that 90s-type personal site got a section dedicated to deals on LR Discovery??

Perhaps the Discovery is and always has been his favourite vehicle?

Perhaps he has Aspergers?

And he's trying to write a book on the Discovery too.........:)

Mind you, www.landrover.ie doesn't work these days, so there is no *official* LR site for Ireland at the moment. No wonder sales are down, apart from the taxation issues!

L-M

tony.aspergers wrote: »

Perhaps the Discovery is and always has been his favourite vehicle?

Perhaps he has Aspergers?

And he's trying to write a book on the Discovery too.........:)

Mind you, www.landrover.ie doesn't work these days, so there is no *official* LR site for Ireland at the moment. No wonder sales are down, apart from the taxation issues!

There never really was a proper landrover.ie, you always had to go into Ireland via LandRover.com and even at that it wasn't great.

Casati

tony.aspergers wrote: »

Unfortunately, the 5 seat Discovery 4 Commercial is taxed at the private rate based on the older "engine size" tax rate, now €1,390 (from Jan 2012). This actually makes it more expensive on road tax than the full 7 seater HSE model (bearing in mind all 2012 Discovery 4's in Ireland are coming with the detuned 211PS TDV6 3.0 litre engine option, as it drops a whole VRT band in HSE format, and offers 36mpg combined, quoted).

It is also worth bearing in mind, that rumour has it that the 2013 Discovery 4 will have a new 3.0 litre SDV6 diesel-electric hybrid engine that is currently being tested in Range Rover Sports in the UK - those tests have returned a CO2 figure of just 89g/km!!!!!!! Now imagine what that figure would do to sales of such models here in Ireland!!!!!!!!

Sorry lads can you explain how this is legal- from revenue site I found the following definition of Category N1:- -

Vehicles that, at the time of manufacture, have less than four seats and have a technically permissible maximum laden mass weight that is greater than 130 per cent of the mass in service of the vehicle with bodywork in running order Category C - Commercial Vehicles (carriage of goods) other

These 5 seater Disco's look like any other 7 seat Disco bar 2 seats in the boot - so how this this change the vehicle classification? If they are classified as commercial vehicles, then surely the commercial tax of 310 approx should be in place (for those people with VAT no's at least)? Can anybody point to reg's that cover this thanks

tony.aspergers

Limerick man wrote: »

There never really was a proper landrover.ie, you always had to go into Ireland via LandRover.com and even at that it wasn't great.

Well at the moment even doing that is useless because it goes to a generic site and does not detail the range as it is currently available here at all!

tony.aspergers

Casati wrote: »

Sorry lads can you explain how this is legal- from revenue site I found the following definition of Category N1:- -

Vehicles that, at the time of manufacture, have less than four seats and have a technically permissible maximum laden mass weight that is greater than 130 per cent of the mass in service of the vehicle with bodywork in running order Category C - Commercial Vehicles (carriage of goods) other

These 5 seater Disco's look like any other 7 seat Disco bar 2 seats in the boot - so how this this change the vehicle classification? If they are classified as commercial vehicles, then surely the commercial tax of 310 approx should be in place (for those people with VAT no's at least)? Can anybody point to reg's that cover this thanks

Have no idea how they got around the regulations - but they (Jaguar LR Ireland at Baldonnel) certainly spent a hell of a long time developing this new offering and working with the Revenue to get it passed........

You can certainly claim the VAT back but no luck with the Commercial road tax as far as I can see so far, according to what I've seen at dealers. It is still the cheapest way to own a Discovery 4 in the Republic, though!

Mc-BigE

sorry to bring this thread up again, but i was talking to a friend of mine and he said that LR have now changed the road tax to commercial 333 euro on the N1 Category C - Commercial Vehicles , but BIK is the real problem with this vehicle, so are people not declaring the BIK? or saying that the vehicle is driven only to and from work and not used after hours and weekends, so that the BIK is less?

also whats the possiblity of getting a 7 seater ( or 5 seater) disco 4 in UK, converting it to N1 cat C in ireland? is this possible.

101sean

Post 2010 you can't convert before import to avoid 36% VRT, has to leave the factory as N1. You should pay passenger road tax if using it privately and some councils are asking for proof that you have employees that need the seats. The main benefit of it being N1 is in buying new, the VRT is a lot less and businesses can reclaim the VAT, a substantial saving even if it's taxed privately.

There was a long thread on 4x4 etc forum about BIK, IIRC, Revenue wont wear it, you'll pay like it's a car.

cubix

Anyword if the new shape discovery will come in 5 seater commercial

Mc-BigE

To be honest if it doesn't, it won't sell in Ireland because of road tax alone

Added. I stand corrected , there's going to be a 2.0 diesel version, with 570 euro road tax , or 700 ish if you decided to tax the "commercial" with private road tax , based on cc

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/paris-motor-show-new-land-rover-discovery-revealed-in-full-1.2809458

Theanswers

I'm not sure the 2.0 is up to the job.

Also it appears here in Ireland we will have the choice of either (High Range) transfer box and or high/ low, unlike in the UK where (High & Low) is standard.

I worry the majority of the Irish buyers will not spec the correct transfer box.

This means when it comes to second hand units we will have to import them from the UK.

Oafley Jones

Theanswers wrote: »

I'm not sure the 2.0 is up to the job.

Also it appears here in Ireland we will have the choice of either (High Range) transfer box and or high/ low, unlike in the UK where (High & Low) is standard.

I worry the majority of the Irish buyers will not spec the correct transfer box.

This means when it comes to second hand units we will have to import them from the UK.

By the time the second hand ones become available Brexit will have surely made ita major kick in the balls with both VAT and VRT.

R.O.R

No 5 seat commercial in the Disco 5.

Hopefully there will be a 2 seat commercial as that has been sorely missed over the past few years.

Theanswers

I think there is a major problem coming down the tracks with Brexit. Where is Ireland going to source it's cars? Every other country in Europe drives on the left, we are going to be left badly behind.

We now are fast becoming a province off the 'mainland' of which no one cares about the Irish. We cannot control anything... Rant over!!

sword1

I know it would cost ,because of the border it would be better if uk did it the same time but would it not be better if all Europe drove on the same side of the road

Mc-BigE

Theanswers wrote: »

I think there is a major problem coming down the tracks with Brexit. Where is Ireland going to source it's cars? Every other country in Europe drives on the left, we are going to be left badly behind.

We now are fast becoming a province off the 'mainland' of which no one cares about the Irish. We cannot control anything... Rant over!!

im afraid the only people that would benefit from switching to LHD would be the dealers as people trade in their now unwanted, undervalued RHD cars to be exported to RHD countries, mainly UK, also the border between the north and the south would be like a scalextric crossover :eek:

but maybe long term, yes, but short term pain for most.

John_Rambo

Could you imagine!

This is interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagen_H

tabby aspreme

After Brexit, Britain will become great again, and start manufacturing there own cars once more , so we can all drive new generation Morris Marinas and Itals in rhd

Del2005

Mc-BigE wrote: »

also the border between the north and the south would be like a scalextric crossover :eek:

We'd have to have this at every boreen crossing the boarder.

Mc-BigE wrote: »

but maybe long term, yes, but short term pain for most.

All our motorways and roads are designed for driving on the left, it would bankrupt us to try to change over. With the chaos a fender bender on the M50 causes to Dublin traffic could you image what would happen if they closed it for a few months to redo all the junctions.

Isambard

tabby aspreme wrote: »

After Brexit, Britain will become great again, and start manufacturing there own cars once more , so we can all drive new generation Morris Marinas and Itals in rhd

an Ital is a new generation Marina.

switching to driving on the right wold be simpler if done in stages. If lorries switched in January, cars in February bikes in March and trucks in April it should be OK.

It's all of Europe that drive on the incorrect side anyway so it's them who should change.

Mc-BigE

R.O.R wrote: »

No 5 seat commercial in the Disco 5.

Hopefully there will be a 2 seat commercial as that has been sorely missed over the past few years.

Just getting back to the Disco 5 question , why wouldn't it qualify for 5 seater commerical ? , surely its the same or bigger in size than the Disco 4, unless the opening in the back is smaller

biko

Thread from 2011 lock. Feel free to start fresh thread.