Has pay changed for unqualified substitutes?

Printer

Hi all

In 2007/2008 I worked over 500 hours as a Substitute (unqualified) and was paid €47 per hour at the time.

I know there have been drastic changes to pay over past 3 years so can anyone tell me what is current rate for unqualified substitutes covering classes?

Also... I see there is a further 10% reduction in start wages to anyone beginning after January 2011. If I have been paid from the department as an unqualified substitute for all those hours in 2007/2008 does this mean I am not a "new entrant" to the system or because I have not yet done the PGDE does it mean I will go in as a new entrant after I do it?

raytray

Yes, unqualified teachers hourly rate was reduced also. If you go onto the ASTI website and look under pay and conditions all the salary info is there.
I subbed in Ireland prior to my PGDE and the new Jan 2011 pay scale and now work in the UK. I have contacted the teaching council about what scale I would be on when I return to Ireland. They said that once you have been on their payroll before Jan 2011 that you are on the old scale. I presume therefore, when you are qualified you will start at point 3 on the old scale.

Printer

Thanks very much for the info. I will look it up now and contact the good old teaching council to see where I would enter the scale.

Can anyone tell me what the rate of pay is for an unqualified substitute teacher at present? I can't seem to find it. Also, I am registered with the teaching council as a Spanish teacher for Further Education courses. I have not yet done the Hdip.

UnLuckyAgain

Printer wrote: »

Thanks very much for the info. I will look it up now and contact the good old teaching council to see where I would enter the scale.

Can anyone tell me what the rate of pay is for an unqualified substitute teacher at present? I can't seem to find it. Also, I am registered with the teaching council as a Spanish teacher for Further Education courses. I have not yet done the Hdip.

According to the ASTI pay schedule, the new unqualified subbing rate has been reduced to €37 from €47.

khan86

Does anyone know what the rate of tax is for the hourly qualified rate? Thanks in advance.

raytray

Sorry Printer-I meant to say that I contacted the payroll department from the department of education about my point on the scale, not the teaching council (they wouldnt know). The email address is PPPayroll@education.gov.ie. It took about 2 months for them to get back to me.
There is no specific tax rate for hourly teachers. It depends on how much you are earning over the year. I cant remember the tax bands in Ireland but think its about 20% up to the 35000e or something plus you have tax free allowance in the form of credits. Have you worked in 2011 yet? If not you should ring the tax office and get them to send you a tax free allowance cert so that you won

Printer

UnLuckyAgain wrote: »

According to the ASTI pay schedule, the new unqualified subbing rate has been reduced to €37 from €47.

Wow, thats some drop in hourly rate! Has this been applied across the board then or just to new entrants?

gaeilgebeo

Printer wrote: »

Wow, thats some drop in hourly rate! Has this been applied across the board then or just to new entrants?

And rightly so. €47 per hour for people walking in off the street to sub unqualified was farcical. They were coming out with more money weekly than teachers qualified years!

Printer

Yeh, very true.

Do the additions for masters and first class honours degree etc on ly come into play when you are on a full time contract or how does that work?

UnLuckyAgain

Printer wrote: »

Yeh, very true.

Do the additions for masters and first class honours degree etc on ly come into play when you are on a full time contract or how does that work?

No, your degree allowances are added once you are in employment of any kind in a school (excluding the unqualified rate).

implausible

Printer wrote: »

Yeh, very true.

Do the additions for masters and first class honours degree etc on ly come into play when you are on a full time contract or how does that work?

If you are entitled to the allowances, you get them, but obviously if you're on 11 hours, you'll only get paid 1/2 of the total possible salary. If on a non-casual rate e.g. maternity leave, you get the proportion of the total possible salary + holiday pay factored into the hourly rate.

Trishy_Baby

Ok, so I've got my degree in Early Years, can I apply to be a substitute teacher? or how does this work? Also is there a certain place to register with or can I just hand my cv's around and say I'm available?

An Bradán Feasa

Trishy_Baby wrote: »

Ok, so I've got my degree in Early Years, can I apply to be a substitute teacher? or how does this work? Also is there a certain place to register with or can I just hand my cv's around and say I'm available?

Unless you're a qualified primary school teacher, you can't sub in primary schools.

Trishy_Baby

An Bradán Feasa wrote: »

Unless you're a qualified primary school teacher, you can't sub in primary schools.

well that clears that up for me so. Thanks a million:D

An Bradán Feasa

Trishy_Baby wrote: »

well that clears that up for me so. Thanks a million:D

You have a relevant degree so I would suggest that you apply to do one of the postgraduate courses in primary education. Here are a few links.

http://www.mie.ie/Colaiste-Mhuire-Marino/Prospective-Students/Courses/HDip-in-Ed.aspx
http://www.spd.dcu.ie/main/courses/postgraduate/grad_ed_info.shtml
http://www.froebel.ie/higher-diploma-in-education-primary
http://www.mic.ul.ie/education/Pages/graduatediplomaineducation.aspx
http://hiberniacollege.com/schoolofeducation/h-dip-in-arts-in-primary-education