Sexuality cause question?

carrickmilo

Does anybody know why there are more gay men than lesbians? Studies show 10% of men are gay but only 4% of women.
If sexual orientation is determined by looking for the love you didn't get as a child this would explain the statistics. I mean fathers are often emotionally unavailable while mothers with their maternal instinct are closer.
Are there any studies of the mother / daughter dynamic in the case of lesbians which could shed light on this hypothese?

Links234

carrickmilo wrote: »

Studies show 10% of men are gay but only 4% of women.

Citation?

Sonics2k

I'm just going to go ahead and point out that a person's sexuality has sod all to do with their upbringing.

-Yours
A straight bloke with a Gay mother.

edit:
Also what Links said.

WonderWoman!

Sonics2k wrote: »

I'm just going to go ahead and point out that a person's sexuality has sod all to do with their upbringing.

Mr Freud would disagree:p

And to the OP some mothers are so cold it's unreal so stop stereotyping just because we're blessed with wonderful mothers doesnt mean everyone is

carrickmilo

Thats my question; do daughters with cold mothers turn out lesbian? Are there any studies?
A lot of gay guys say they always felt a distance from their fathers

WonderWoman!

carrickmilo wrote: »

Thats my question; do daughters with cold mothers turn out lesbian?

No my mum was never cold yet here I am

Nebit

i have some father issues, as i probably do mother issues. I think its a bit of a wide sweeping statement to make as i think anyone and everyone has some issue with their parents and the way they were brought up, be it little or a lot.
Never however would i contemplate me being gay having anything to do with my father.

Sonics2k

WonderWoman! wrote: »

Mr Freud would disagree:p

Honestly I always reckoned it was just his own issues, and he tried himself feel a little less creepy with the ol' mother lovin' thing :P

@OP
No. How a child is brought up, or how often mummy/daddy hugged them or brought them fishing has absolutely no affect on a persons sexuality.

Some people are straight, some are gay. Asides from that everyone is the same.

(For the record I don't give a toss about someone's gender/race/sexuality/transgender etc. People are people no matter what)

Except Canadians :pac:

WonderWoman!

Sonics2k wrote: »

People are people no matter what)

Except Canadians :pac:

I agree They are a species all their own

plein de force

why do we have to be looking for a cause?
some people are gay, most people are straight, so what.

plus me and dad have always gotten on really well so there's no dad issues with me

Killer Pigeon

I think the main theories about the causes of homosexuality are (a) developmental (b) hormonal imbalance in the womb (c) genetic. Now there mightn't be one specific cause for homosexuality, there may be many. Like one person's homosexuality could be determined by an hormonal imbalance in the womb, while someone else's might be determined by how they were raised. However, none of the above would imply choice. I tried so much to convince myself that I liked girls when I was younger (as society would have expected me to) but I was unable. Therefore I know it wasn't in anyway a choice. The fact that there are more gay men than lesbians could actually suggest that (b) and (c) are the most likely causes.

Personally I don't like the idea of homosexuality being a developmental disorder. That would imply that you could almost "cure" homosexuality through rigorous psychiatric treatment, which I couldn't honestly see happening, and that being heterosexual was the natural default sexuality when an individual is born.

Richard Dawkins had a few interesting theories about how and why a so-called "gay gene" would have developed (see video below). He implies that homosexuality could have been a natural part of evolution and that it may have played an important role in primitive animal societies. So homosexuality mightn't be as simple as a genetic abnormality, that is, if it in in fact genetic, which hasn't been fully proven yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0

Killer Pigeon

plein de force wrote: »

why do we have to be looking for a cause?
some people are gay, most people are straight, so what.

plus me and dad have always gotten on really well so there's no dad issues with me

Why do scientists investigate anything? Out of interest I guess. I, for one, would like to know why I'm more attracted to the same-sex rather than the opposite-sex, whatever the cause may be - and there is a cause.

unfortunately

The one-in-ten-men-are-gay claim is a myth (and when you consider it for a moment it is ridiculously high). It is nowhere near that high. People who exclusively identify as gay is about 4%.

Those people who have had homosexual feelings or experiences or even had sex but don't identify as gay is actually quite high. Sexuality is a spectrum.

What are the specific studies you are talking about?

Kanoe

was watching the sex education show with the young un a few weeks ago and when the kids got to ask gay couples why they thought they were gay the men responded positively to the "they were born that way" theory while the lesbian couple just shrugged when posed with the same question, it just wasn't a relevant. Made me quite happy that.

and what killer pigeon said.

Aishae

I understand scientist investigate all sorts and some posess that drive to understand why they're gay but if someone asked me why do I think I'm gay?
I've have to say ; does it matter? Here I am. And while were on the subject, what makes straight people straight? They just are.

Annasopra

If sexual orientation is determined by looking for the love you didn't get as a child this would explain the statistics.

Who says it is though?

WonderWoman!

Kanoe wrote: »

was watching the sex education show with the young un a few weeks ago and when the kids got to ask gay couples why they thought they were gay the men responded positively to the "they were born that way" .

The British response to sex ed is a lot more today . It's a good show I find, very factual and just an all round out there the presenter is well suited

I find it hard to understand why people try to find an excuse or "cure" for me , I'm not diseased and I don't bother no one so please scientists just f*ck off and stop trying to disect me like a frog

Monty Burnz

Aishae wrote: »

I understand scientist investigate all sorts and some posess that drive to understand why they're gay but if someone asked me why do I think I'm gay?
I've have to say ; does it matter? Here I am. And while were on the subject, what makes straight people straight? They just are.

Well no - there's a cause. It shouldn't be politicised though. Does it matter if someone has blonde hair, or brown eyes? No. But there's a reason, and science is all about finding those reasons.

Aishae

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Aishae wrote: »

I understand scientist investigate all sorts and some posess that drive to understand why they're gay but if someone asked me why do I think I'm gay?
I've have to say ; does it matter? Here I am. And while were on the subject, what makes straight people straight? They just are.

Well no - there's a cause. It shouldn't be politicised though. Does it matter if someone has blonde hair, or brown eyes? No. But there's a reason, and science is all about finding those reasons.

There is a cause - somewhere. I just feel it doesn't matter. If it's genetic I'd fear that if genetic manipulation in the dish ever became standard (to eradicate genetic defects and diseases) that homosexuality would also be considered such a defect (still plenty of folks out there who might be ok about gay folk but would say 'not MY son/daughter')
That might be looking too far ahead.
But itd help explain one reason why I feel it doesn't matter what causes sexuality.

The scientific aspect of enquiry just feels a bit separate to the above (even though - technically - they go hand in hand)

Monty Burnz

Aishae wrote: »

There is a cause - somewhere. I just feel it doesn't matter. If it's genetic I'd fear that if genetic manipulation in the dish ever became standard (to eradicate genetic defects and diseases) that homosexuality would also be considered such a defect (still plenty of folks out there who might be ok about gay folk but would say 'not MY son/daughter')
That might be looking too far ahead.

That's a fair point I guess. I don't intend to suggest that homosexuality is a disability (as I'm not a moron) but I've also come across some hostility amongst deaf and blind people to cures for those issues, and (I think) hostility towards some of those who opt for those cures (I'm actually thinking specifically of a documentary I saw about deafness). I guess that there is a deaf community and a deaf culture (with its own language) and members of that community would perceive what to us look like cures as attacks on that culture.

Aishae wrote: »

But itd help explain one reason why I feel it doesn't matter what causes sexuality.

The scientific aspect of enquiry just feels a bit separate to the above (even though - technically - they go hand in hand)

I'm not sure I'm keen for science to come up with a 'pat' answer to why some people are gay and some are straight (and all the variations in between) for the reasons that you outline. But I can understand the scientific curiosity and I believe that knowledge is a good thing in its own right. It's when politics enters the picture that things get ugly.

WonderWoman!

Isn't Biology all about wonderful Variations ? then why would you try disect something thats not causing anyone harm ?

actually if you want we can try find a cure for people who like cabbage - those beasts disgust me :P

Monty Burnz

WonderWoman! wrote: »

Isn't Biology all about wonderful Variations ? then why would you try disect something thats not causing anyone harm ?

Biology is about knowing how living things work, and how biological systems behave. I hope to god they aren't disecting any homosexuals!

WonderWoman! wrote: »

actually if you want we can try find a cure for people who like cabbage - those beasts disgust me :P

They don't need a cure, they just need to be understood!

WonderWoman!

Monty Burnz wrote: »

They don't need a cure, they just need to be understood!

how could anyone understand cabbage eating those r***** need to be shot . I mean I don't mind people eating cabbage so long as no one in my family does . It's perversion of the worst sorts eating another living thing:rolleyes:
(Don't even attempt to make a pop about my gf you filthy creatures

Aishae

Monty Burnz wrote: »

That's a fair point I guess. I don't intend to suggest that homosexuality is a disability (as I'm not a moron) but I've also come across some hostility amongst deaf and blind people to cures for those issues, and (I think) hostility towards some of those who opt for those cures (I'm actually thinking specifically of a documentary I saw about deafness). I guess that there is a deaf community and a deaf culture (with its own language) and members of that community would perceive what to us look like cures as attacks on that culture.

its funny you mention that about deafness - ive encountered that too. people who feel that it is just who they are. i have a genetic condition and i wouldnt be who i am without that either. and being deafened at 13 has also had a part to play in who i am now. i didnt actually like who i was before 13.
this is the moral dilemma with genetic manipulation - even for the more severe health problems people have - it plays a part in who they are so if it was taken away, they wouldnt be the same person.
it would be the same if homosexuality was taken away before someone as born. technically youre not losing anything as you arent born yet but youre losing the potential for who you could be. bit of a paradox really.... you'd go in circles with it.

if i could cure my deafness now - i would in a heartbeat. if i could find a cure for the genetic condition NOW - i would. but i wouldnt want them to be taken from me before i was born because i am who i am greatly because of my experiences.
i wouldnt have 'they gay' taken from me though. its not a condition as i think most of us would agree with. its a state of being.

where do they draw the line between what is a condition and what is a state of being? is the moral and ethical question i guess.

very interesting to think about.....

WonderWoman!

Aishae wrote: »

i am who i am greatly because of my experiences.

and you've blessed us all with the fact you're an incredible friend

carrickmilo

I read on study on this which was interesting.
Researchers traced identical twins who had been adopted by different parents, so same genes but different nuturing.
Results were that if one twin was gay there was an 80% chance that the other one would be as well. So they reckon sexuality is genetically determined