Design flaw on the Nissan Juke ?

Hiace.

Anyone else think the very open front bumper has left the radiator and air conditioning condenser wide open to stone chip and other damage ?

I seen one pull up at a filling station the other day, and the wide open rad and a/c condensor looked ripe for damage.

Surely a little bit of medium gauge fine mesh behind the bumper openings would not go a miss ?

Why do car designers these days only consider outward appearances (which is this case is very questionable) etc. rather than ease of maintenance, reliability, and durability ?

killwill

Hiace. wrote: »

Anyone else think the very open front bumper has left the radiator and air conditioning condenser wide open to stone chip and other damage ?

I seen one pull up at a filling station the other day, and the wide open rad and a/c condensor looked ripe for damage.

Why do car designers these days only seem to know and care about outward appearances (which is this case is very questionable) rather than ease of maintenance, reliability, and durability ?

So they can make lots of more money from radiator and air conditioning condenser damage!!!!

Hiace.

killwill wrote: »

So they can make lots of more money from radiator and air conditioning condenser damage!!!!

It seems to be the way these days all right.

Along DMF's and DPF's, sealed alternators, sealed hubs / bearings etc., and sensors galore.

It's about time buyers started to turn away from accepting this shyte.

homer90

That car IS a design flaw.
:pac:

johnos1984

Sorry but in the right colour I think the JUKE looks well and it's a nice drive too

MetzgerMeister

To be fair though, in that pic above, it DOES look like a hippopotamus!!

end a eknny

johnos1984 wrote: »

Sorry but in the right colour I think the JUKE looks well and it's a nice drive too

the only colour that would be right for a juke is brown

Hiace.

homer90 wrote: »

That car IS a design flaw.
:pac:

I don't like the styling myself, but I've nothing against it, at least it's original from the usual group think. The exposed front rad and condenser is crazy though.

homer90

Hiace. wrote: »

I don't like the styling myself, but I've nothing against it, the exposed front rad and condenser is crazy though.

It is alright. I have noticed that in a few cars.. I guess, it would be somewhat protected by the number plate. Erm...... albeit an oversized one

kirving

I don't like it, but at least the designers were trying something different.

colm_mcm

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I don't like it, but at least the designers were trying something different.

Amphetamines at a guess

DanWall

Another major design fault now is having the washer bottle at the front and in by the wing, they freeze up in winter. Older cars used to have them near the drivers bulkhead

Berty

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Hiace.

DanWall wrote: »

Another major design fault now is having the washer bottle at the front and in by the wing, they freeze up in winter. Older cars used to have them near the drivers bulkhead

Good point Dan, no doubt the manufactures are hoping they freeze so that a few washer pumps etc. etc. are destroyed, which means more bucks for them.

Hiace.

Beer Baron wrote: »

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Cripes the more of the Nissan Puke I see the more I get to like it. It grows on you. I'm getting worried now.

Berty

Hiace. wrote: »

Cripes the more of the Nissan Puke I see the more I get to like it. It grows on you. I'm getting worried now.

Look at the typical driver of the Nissan Puke and you may not buy one. The same weird aul ones are buying it but strangely enough the emasculated men of the world are buying them as well. They have been demoted from the splendours of driving a Zafira with only 1 child to getting one of these things and trying to convince the world "it's the wifes car".

For me these go in the classifaction with other failed attempts and unecessary cars like the

Golf Estate & Bora
Mondeo Saloon(Hatch big enough - even the UK figured that one out)
C-Max (Why when you have a Galaxy and S-Max and even Kuga)
The Numerous amounts of current Hyundais fall into this category as well.

Beer Baron

Beer Baron wrote: »

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Mondeo Saloon(Hatch big enough - even the UK figured that one out)
C-Max (Why when you have a Galaxy and S-Max and even Kuga)
The Numerous amounts of current Hyundais fall into this category as well.

the mark 3 mondeo in particular was a decent enough looking car is saloon guise, in hatch form it was awful, I had one when I was on the road, I needed a big boot but not I huge opening. Saloons in general in the UK are not popular in that segment, or the one below.

cyrusdvirus

RoverJames wrote: »

the mark 3 mondeo in particular was a decent enough looking car is saloon guise, in hatch form it was awful, I had one when I was on the road, I needed a big boot but not I huge opening. Saloons in general in the UK are not popular in that segment, or the one below.

I prefer the Mark 3 Hatch. Not too fond of the saloon.

Estate Mondeos are silly though, no need for them.

PAULWATSON

is the whole car not a design flaw?

Hiace.

PAULWATSON wrote: »

is the whole car not a design flaw?

Hmm complex question if you understand all the subtlety going on.
Aesthetically to me yes, but that a personal opinion thing, and some people are either not bothered about mere appearances, and some drive them to deliberately annoy the type of people who get annoyed about the appearance of other peoples cars. But this controversial design now seems to have consequences for protection of the radiator and a/c condenser, which to some people is more important than the looks.

Compton

gatecrash wrote: »

I prefer the Mark 3 Hatch. Not too fond of the saloon.

Estate Mondeos are silly though, no need for them.

of course theres a need for them ? just because you dont need one doesnt mean nobody else does..

Voodoomelon

The 407 had the same problem:

DanWall

I went from an Octavia Hatch to an Avensis saloon. I really miss the hatch, the Avensis has a big enough boot but the opening limits the size of items, the Octavia with the seats down was like a van. Trouble was reliability, if only they could put an Avensis in Octavia body.

cyrusdvirus

shblob wrote: »

of course theres a need for them ? just because you dont need one doesnt mean nobody else does..

You mean my plans of world domination didn't work? Dammit!!

(point taken and i concede gracefully!! )

doctorchopper

DanWall wrote: »

Another major design fault now is having the washer bottle at the front and in by the wing, they freeze up in winter. Older cars used to have them near the drivers bulkhead

thats why you should ad a antifreeze solution to it during winter months. Even if it was beside the engine and didn't freeze, the lines to the jets will freeze.

johnos1984

doctorchopper wrote: »

thats why you should ad a antifreeze solution to it during winter months. Even if it was beside the engine and didn't freeze, the lines to the jets will freeze.

Still a waste unless you have heating water jets

Sobanek

Nissan Joke :pac:

colm_mcm

DanWall wrote: »

I went from an Octavia Hatch to an Avensis saloon. I really miss the hatch, the Avensis has a big enough boot but the opening limits the size of items, the Octavia with the seats down was like a van. Trouble was reliability, if only they could put an Avensis in Octavia body.

Like, say, an Avensis liftback?

doctorchopper

johnos1984 wrote: »

Still a waste unless you have heating water jets

I've been driving trucks in northern canada for 16 years and not 1 of them had heated water jets, we used winter grade washer fluid (antifreeze added) and rarely would they freeze even down to -54 deg C (which is the coldest i've seen)

Hiace.

Generally, Paddy doesn't like hatchbacks, and Tommy doesn't like saloons.

johnos1984

doctorchopper wrote: »

I've been driving trucks in northern canada for 16 years and not 1 of them had heated water jets, we used winter grade washer fluid (antifreeze added) and rarely would they freeze even down to -54 deg C (which is the coldest i've seen)

Good for you but don't forget a car engine, especially diesel, in cold weather doesn't produce enough heat to keep them free of ice. I know as I mixed it strong and it still froze last winter

MugMugs

colm_mcm wrote: »

Like, say, an Avensis liftback?

You always beat me to the post!


Excuse the pun.

DanWall

doctorchopper wrote: »

I've been driving trucks in northern canada for 16 years and not 1 of them had heated water jets, we used winter grade washer fluid (antifreeze added) and rarely would they freeze even down to -54 deg C (which is the coldest i've seen)

Antifreeze is not good for the paintwork

MugMugs

DanWall wrote: »

doctorchopper wrote: »

I've been driving trucks in northern canada for 16 years and not 1 of them had heated water jets, we used winter grade washer fluid (antifreeze added) and rarely would they freeze even down to -54 deg C (which is the coldest i've seen)

Antifreeze is not good for the paintwork

But quite handy to stay alive when you require a clear windscreen at a critical part of your journey.

DanWall

DanWall wrote: »

Antifreeze is not good for the paintwork

The stuff in screenwash is fine, it's an impurity rather than an actual coolant iirc and not akin to the stuff than goes in a radiator.

doctorchopper

RoverJames wrote: »

The stuff in screenwash is fine, it's an impurity rather than an actual coolant iirc and not akin to the stuff than goes in a radiator.

Exactly, its not antifreeze coolant, its a proper windscreen wash with anti freezing additives which are safe to paintwork as its designed for windscreens. So don't go adding antifreeze coolant to your windscreen fluid because that isn't what i meant in my original post.

stimpson

colm_mcm wrote: »

Like, say, an Avensis liftback?

The 2009 onwards model has no liftback - just Saloon or Estate. I just traded mine in for a Verso yesterday. Same engine and box, but much more useable space and and extra 2 seats. I'd have happily kept the Avensis except for the boot.