BBC: al Qaeda Does Not Exist

SellingJuan

I dont know if its true or not. I got into an arguement with someone on youtube and they sent me this?? Look at the reference to nothern Ireland.
What yea think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mztfFdpd1Rk

chin_grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqBOMBSDQsI

SellingJuan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I Controlled

Chuck Stone

Well I seen those guys playing on the monkey bars in Afghanistan and that was good enough reason to spend $1,244,000,000 ($1.25 Trillion) on the war on terror from my perspective anyway.

http://costofwar.com/en/


Skip to 0:50 for the monkey bar scene.

skelliser

yep, the yanks were trying to prosecute some dude and bin laden and could only use the RICO laws which were originally intended for the mafia and order organisations.
So they got a defendant to say al qaeda was a massive organisation in return for lenancy.

And thus al qaeda was born!!

skelliser

yep, the yanks were trying to prosecute some dude and bin laden and could only use the RICO laws which were originally intended for the mafia and order organisations.
So they got a defendant to say al qaeda was a massive organisation in return for lenancy.

And thus al qaeda was born!!

Temptamperu

I watched a George W Bush interview on national geographic the other night and he said within hours the thought 9/11 matched there profile... to which i thought, didnt they just use explosives to blow up backwater embasseys?

Also them monkey bar videos are scareh

latenia

That clip is from the Adam Curtis documentary 'The Power of Nightmares.' The point he makes is that the idea of an evil organisation with a leader and command structure like something from a Bond flick is just a fantasy propogated by governments and media. Even the name Al Qaeda was made up by New York prosecutors in the 90s so they could charge the first WTC bombers under mafia laws.

mickydoomsux

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The song on that video is the catchiest thing i've ever heard.

Temptamperu

latenia wrote: »

That clip is from the Adam Curtis documentary 'The Power of Nightmares.' The point he makes is that the idea of an evil organisation with a leader and command structure like something from a Bond flick is just a fantasy propogated by governments and media. Even the name Al Qaeda was made up by New York prosecutors in the 90s so they could charge the first WTC bombers under mafia laws.

George Orwell also talked about it in 1984 Emmanuel Goldstein was his name

AnamGlas

America, wrong? Never.

Chuck Stone

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The song on that video is the catchiest thing i've ever heard.

Yeah, you can really see how people would be attracted to that way of life what with the monkey bars, the bangin' tunes and the waiting virgins n' all.

Solnskaya

"al qaeda" is a catch all, bogus, madey uppey name for the bogeyman, to scare all the squares and provide a "reason" for squandering billions on acquiring a use for all the lethal junk produced by the defence contracting industry. But then again, maybe i'm just paranoid.

Temptamperu

your not wrong Sol, America needed an enemy so like all dictatorships they invented one.

c_man

Temptamperu wrote: »

your not wrong Sol, America needed an enemy so like all dictatorships they invented one.

Yeah but in fairness Al Qaeda in Iraq were a real and mad organisation.

Dodd

There is big money to be made from false wars.
Halliburton


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDfYzq_HaQ&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDfYzq_HaQ

Dodd

c_man wrote: »

Yeah but in fairness Al Qaeda in Iraq were a real and mad organisation.

Most people that were enemies in the east were called Al Qaeda no mater who they were after 9/11.
Put it this way the IRA called themselves the IRA..... but Al Qaeda was named
that by others who picked who they would put in that group.
Anyone could be picked out tomorrow for being part of a made up group.

Killer Pigeon

Former Labour MP and British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, who resigns in 2003 in protest over the Iraq War, hinted that Al Qaeda (or "Al-Qaida") was actually a code-name for a CIA database containing a list of Mujahideen operatives. Cook wrote the following in the Guardian newspaper on Friday, 8th July 2005;

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.

Full article available here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

Cook past away on the 6th August 2005, after suffering a severe heart attack while out walking during a holiday with his wife in the Scottish Highlands. His death occurred almost a month to the day after publishing his article in the Guardian newspaper.

Mickeroo

Dodd wrote: »

Most people that were enemies in the east were called Al Qaeda no mater who they were after 9/11.
Put it this way the IRA called themselves the IRA..... but Al Qaeda was named
that by others who picked who they would put in that group.
Anyone could be picked out tomorrow for being part of a made up group.

What about the Taliban though??

Right so the name was coined in the west and there is no massive global terrorist organisation but who exactly are the people shooting back in Afghanistan?

Dodd

Mickeroo wrote: »

What about the Taliban though??

Right so the name was coined in the west and there is no massive global terrorist organisation but who exactly are the people shooting back in Afghanistan?

IMO just a load of stoned people who fire guns given to them by outsiders at people they think are bad.
They make their money from drugs and still do and don't care so long as they get the gear out.

nacho libre

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

Full article available here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

Cook past away on the 6th August 2005, after suffering a severe heart attack while out walking during a holiday with his wife in the Scottish Highlands. This happened almost a month to the day after publishing his article in the Guardian newspaper.

Are you suggesting the UK intelligence services got rid of Cook based on that article

Also, didn't he have a heart attack years before the fatal attack?

Daithi 1

If the U.N arent arming Al Qaeda in Libya atm... who are they arming ?

Random Rebels i spose :pac:

Thats grand then

Temptamperu

The people in the "war" now are people fighting for there territory, just like "we" did to our occupiers

Mickeroo

I've not really looked into this stuff before, I would usually dismiss it as unfounded conspiracy theories, but I really don't trust the media when it comes to things like this either, I'm well aware "evil" dictators are painted that way by the media etc. to garner support.

Quite a few posters who I wold think of as rationalists seem to agree with the OP's vid too, so olour me convinced for now anyway.

Dodd

Mickeroo wrote: »

,I'm well aware "evil" dictators are painted that way by the media etc. to garner support.

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The thing is who tells the media what is good or bad to report.
Who decides what people need to know.
The owner of that press/station.

Killer Pigeon

nacho libre wrote: »

Are you suggesting the UK intelligence services got rid of Cook based on that article

I'm not suggesting anything. However, I just find it a little coincidental.

nacho libre wrote: »

Also, didn't he have a heart attack years before the fatal attack?

Yes, apparently he had heart complication. Although I still view his death as coincidental. There was an account into his death in the Daily Mail (yes, I know it's the Mail), apparently he had a heart attack, fell and broke his neck:

The widow of former minister Robin Cook is said to be shattered by his sudden death on Saturday. Gaynor Cook desperately tried to resuscitate her husband when he collapsed and fell while walking in the Scottish mountains.

Tributes poured in for Mr Cook, one of the towering figures of New Labour, after he collapsed and died while hill-walking with his wife Gaynor yesterday.
A frantic Gaynor spent more than 40 minutes trying to resuscitate her husband after calling for help from a fellow walker who dialled 999 on his mobile. Paramedics then instructed them on how to give Mr Cook, 59, emergency resuscitation as they waited for a Coastguard helicopter to arrive.
Gaynor was then left to make her own way down the mountain as her husband was airlifted to hospital in Inverness.

Medics continued to try to revive him during the hour-long flight, and at the hospital another 'crash team' was waiting on the tarmac to take over.
However, a spokesman confirmed Mr Cook was pronounced dead at 4.05pm, barely ten minutes after his arrival.

Mr Cook's ex-wife Margaret said last night she felt the 'most enormous sympathy' for the woman who was once her most bitter rival.
Mrs Cook, said the two women have set aside their differences. She added that her two grown-up sons with Mr Cook were 'gutted'.

Arriving under police escort in a silver Chrysler vehicle just after 1.15pm, Gaynor Cook was escorted into the mortuary at Raigmore Hospital in Inverness by two police officers and Jim Devine, who was her late husband's election agent.

The Labour MP had collapsed while fell-walking on 2,365ft Ben Stack in north-west Sutherland. Mr Cook, who had suffered blood pressure and heart problems, may have broken his neck as he fell.

Fell down ridge

The alarm was raised at 2.20pm when the ambulance service received the 999 call.

The call was passed to Northern Constabulary at 2.23pm and then when it was realised an airlift was urgently required the call was passed to the air rescue co-ordination centre at RAF Kinloss.

At 2.34pm they scrambled a Coastguard helicopter from Stornoway on the Western Isles which was airborne just six minutes later.

By 3.01pm the helicopter was at the scene and winchman George Chrossan was lowered down to help gather Mr Cook and winch him up into the helicopter from a ledge.

The helicopter swept into Inverness's Raigmore Hospital at 3.57pm, an hour-and-a-half after the first emergency call.

Coastguard George Chrossan, who had to be winched down from the rescue helicopter, said Mrs Cook told him he had stopped breathing about 40 minutes beforehand.

"Mr Cook fell about 8ft down a ridge when he collapsed on to rocky terrain," he told the Scottish Mail on Sunday.

The rescue was co-ordinated by the RAF air rescue centre at Kinloss. A spokesman there said conditions were clear at the time.

He added: "The injured man was uplifted by helicopter close to the summit. That part of Ben Stack is very steep, monster steep and very rocky. He was taken on board and flown directly to Raigmore hospital."

Remote

The mountain is in one of Scotland's most remote Highland areas, about 70 miles northeast of Inverness on the Duke of Westminster's Reay estate.
It is reached by car along a 37-mile single track road from Lairg towards Laxford Bridge to the closest village, Achfray, at the head of Loch More.

Last night Mr Cook's first wife Margaret was visibly upset and shaken as she said: "It has all been quite unexpected. Everything is quite fluid, and family and friends seem to be gathering in Edinburgh. I am waiting for my sons to come home."

It is thought the couple's younger son, Peter, was on an Outward Bound course in England and may not yet have been informed about the tragedy. The couple's elder son, Christopher, 31, was travelling north from his home in Scotland.

Tributes

Meanwhile tributes poured in for a politician who rose to prominence with his searing demolition of the Tory Government over the arms-to-Iraq affair and was latterly known as the most eloquent critic of the war in Iraq.

Tony Blair said: "Robin was an outstanding, extraordinary talent - brilliant, incisive in debate, of incredible skill and persuasive power.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with Gaynor and all Robin's family. This news will be received with immense sadness, not just in Britain but in many parts of the world."

It was also confirmed that if, as expected, Gordon Brown takes over as Prime Minister, Mr Cook would have been given a 'significant' post in the Government.

Mr Cook, who spent more than 20 years on Labour's front bench before his resignation from the Cabinet over Iraq, is not known to have been an experienced climber, though he was considered fit and active and fond of the outdoors.

His health has been generally good in recent years but in his memoirs - Robin Cook: The Point Of Departure - he described fainting at a restaurant in Covent Garden in July 2002. He was taken to hospital and kept in overnight and was reassured that it was due to 'medication to bring down blood pressure'.

Mr Cook had taken the Leathad na Stioma fell-walking route to the peak of Ben Stack. All other routes are for experienced climbers.
'Hard pull to end the climb'

According to local guides, the mountain can easily be climbed in half a day but they warn of a couple of ridges to be negotiated near and at the top. It is very steep in places and scrambling up rocky stretches is required which rules it out for a family walk.

One walker said: "There are sections that feel a little bit exposed and the ridge at the summit could test the nerve of the inexperienced walker, particularly in a strong wind.

"The start of the walk can be wet and boggy but quickly becomes rocky.
"Once you are up the main part of the mountain you are faced with a very steep, grassy cone leading to the summit. It's a hard pull to end the climb but the views are stunning over the surrounding area and lochs."

Ray Fish, of the Rhiconich Hotel, where many of the walkers stay, has been climbing in the area for 30 years. He said: "I don't think I've ever heard of a fatality or serious accident on Ben Stack.

"There's no problem so long as care is taken. The usual way is to go up from the road from the north side, but just before the summit it is quite exposed.
"It was a really bright day and not very windy, but if you are not careful it can be dangerous and lead to falls of several hundred feet."

Three years ago it was claimed Ben Stack, described as 'gothically pointy' and one of Scotland's finest mountains, inspired JRR Tolkien when creating his Middle Earth fantasy world.

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-358443/Gaynors-grief-Cooks-mountain-fall-death.html#ixzz1WqTwyDYO

LH Pathe

media is a m*ther****er in this day n age, entwined with governments n what not what bothers me is Sky News is fairly influential here. They're like mission control for the Libyan rebellion in particular, next we'll hear the black african refugees murdered by em is a 'propaganda coup' for gadaffi. prior to / following some of their own but I find em really hard to listen to. esp the likes of botting and the big fat one that looks like a seal

LH Pathe

good on the beeb. Quality control always important to them, don't need tabloid trash like sky

Killer Pigeon

LH Pathe wrote: »

media is a m*ther****er in this day n age, entwined with governments n what not what bothers me is Sky News is fairly influential here. They're like mission control for the Libyan rebellion in particular, next we'll hear the black african refugees murdered by em is a 'propaganda coup' for gadaffi. prior to / following some of their own but I find em really hard to listen to. esp the likes of botting and the big fat one that looks like a seal

I know, but that's skynews for you. I remember about a week ago they showed graphic clips of a massacre they uncovered somewhere in Libya. They showed pictures of burnt out skeletons in a ruined building, which I found a little bit much for daytime TV. The massacre was supposed to be conducted by Gaddafi loyalists. Of course, we don't know if it was really was a "massacre". That might have been just something the Rebels made up for propaganda but we don't know for sure. Skynews or the BBC won't show you graphic pictures of the aftermath of NATO bombings.

Daithi 1

I never seen the 1.7 million pro gaddafi supporters pretesting in Tripolli a few weeks ago on any mainstream tv news channel....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWzNhk3zv4U

strobe

What??? Communists you say? Kill them.

:No mister President. We got the communists.

What??? Drug Lords? **** them!!

:No mister President. The drug lords really don't generate funds. You see the dru...

What??? Terrorists? Smash them up.







"Yes, Prime Minister"

'Roll end credits with laugh track and very well thought out cartoons'

Killer Pigeon

"Durka, durka, Muhammad, jihad!"

Temptamperu

I see my GF who is american who has absolute hatred for muslims now and she is not the only one the whole country is "afraid" of islam because of what they were told. it was a scam to get oil even though the price keeps rising *cough haliburton and rising.
With fear you can control and thats what happened with 9/11 just as hitler burned the riechstag for control of the jews Haliburtin destroyed those towers for control of the worlds oil supply.

Daithi 1

Temptamperu wrote: »

I see my GF who is american

Sorry mate, that must be headwrecking. It'll be ok mate

Temptamperu

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Sorry mate, that must be headwrecking. It'll be ok mate

Its not so bad shes got amazing tits

Killer Pigeon

Temptamperu wrote: »

With fear you can control and thats what happened with 9/11 just as hitler burned the riechstag for control of the jews Haliburtin destroyed those towers for control of the worlds oil supply.

You're one of them?

Axe Rake

Temptamperu wrote: »

With fear you can control and thats what happened with 9/11 just as hitler burned the riechstag for control of the jews Haliburtin destroyed those towers for control of the worlds oil supply.

Not exactly. The towers were destroyed to prevent the disclosure of a highly secret CIA slush fund (aka: black eagle trust/fund, durham trust) which has been used since the 1950's to fund covert and illegal operations in various countries out of reach of congressional oversight.

Remember Rumsfeld talking about the 2.3 trillion dollars of missing funds from the Department of Defenses budget? This was announced 1 day before 9/11.

Daithi 1

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

You're one of them?

Nice one lol :pac:

Temptamperu

Axe Rake wrote: »

Not exactly. The towers were destroyed to prevent the disclosure of a highly secret CIA slush fund (aka: black eagle trust/fund, durham trust) which has been used since the 1950's to fund covert and illegal operations in various countries out of reach of congressional oversight.

Remember Rumsfeld talking about the 2.3 trillion dollars of missing funds from the Department of Defenses budget? This was announced 1 day before 9/11.

whats the difference between oil and money?

Daithi 1

Temptamperu wrote: »

whats the difference between oil and money?

you can use oil as a lubricant ?

Temptamperu

Daithi 1 wrote: »

you can use oil as a lubricant ?

and money too.

Fart

Temptamperu wrote: »

and money too.

That's toilet paper you're thinking about. I'm going to use it for that purporse everday when I win the lotto.

galwayrush

They would never be allowed to exist in Britain due to health and safety laws alone.

Rabies

SellingJuan wrote: »

I dont know if its true or not. I got into an arguement with someone on youtube and they sent me this?? Look at the reference to nothern Ireland.
What yea think?