UCD OR UCC FOR MED?

medhead16

I have just been offered UCD for medicine after accepting UCC in round one. I dont know which one to choose. I want to go to UCD but I fear that I could be making a huge mistake as I live in Cork and also won't have to do the extra year of premed if I stay here. Does anybody know which college is better for med? any advice would be helpful!

imported_guy

medhead16 wrote: »

I have just been offered UCD for medicine after accepting UCC in round one. I dont know which one to choose. I want to go to UCD but I fear that I could be making a huge mistake as I live in Cork and also won't have to do the extra year of premed if I stay here. Does anybody know which college is better for med? any advice would be helpful!

if you got UCC that means you did chemistry and another science in LC?, that will let you skip the pre med year in UCD i'm pretty sure

medhead16

imported_guy wrote: »

if you got UCC that means you did chemistry and another science in LC?, that will let you skip the pre med year in UCD i'm pretty sure

i think you have to get an A1 in all three sciences in the LC to skip it now, I got an A1 in bio and chem but didnt do physics so I wont be able to skip it

foreverandever

UCC!

The commuting in Dublin can be a problem as well as cost. The training probably doesn't vary a whole amount between the two colleges but the hospitals in Cork are much closer together and the city is so easy to access (you probably know all this anyway!) You also get the chance to experience other hospitals outside of the county during the clinical years

drrkpd

there is no major difference between any medical course and as previously stated you can apply to any intern job in the country now once you qualify.
Huge living costs being away from home and yes commuting in Dublin must be a pain but no-one will know or care which university you qualified from. So UCD not "better" than UCC or vica verca.

drrkpd

Premed also allows you to settle into college life-1st year medicine is tough!!

Sid_Justice

You put UCD first on your CAO, you obviously want to go to UCD. Take the UCD offer.

If I was you I'd go to UCC.

jenny18

i was wondering if anybody knows about any extra fees i will have to pay for veterinary medicine. my mums friends son got a letter today saying he was getting a grant covering 7 thousand of the fees with hear grants. he has 2 pay 2000. i know i wont get a grant so if fees are 10,000 i wont do vet. i think this cant be right i thought max fees 2000 for all leaving certs. thanks for any help

Sid_Justice

if you're straight out of the leaving cert, an Irish or eU resident etc. your fees this year will be 2k

jenny18

Sid_Justice wrote: »

if you're straight out of the leaving cert, an Irish or eU resident etc. your fees this year will be 2k

thanks thats wat i said but u no parents they believe everything the neighbours say

You will have your own personal reasons for wanting UCD over UCC, (friends/freedom/UCD itself?)therefore if that's your first choice, go !!!


From a geographical and financial point of view, if you live in Cork you would be an awful lot better off financially staying down there, plus commuting around it is easier. UCC itself is a great college. I'm sure UCD is fantastic too, but I can't speak for it!!!I can speak for Dublin though, in that it's one very expensive city to live for rent, commuting, socialising etc. in fact it's still such a rat-race, noise, heavy traffic, recession or no recession, and everything up here is dearer - GPs, dentists, eating out, price of drinks, taxis, childcare, hairdressers etc.... I still love it though

Lbgem

Sid_Justice wrote: »

if you're straight out of the leaving cert, an Irish or eU resident etc. your fees this year will be 2k

I wish I was paying this much , they charge the non-EU residents 49,200 euros or so for tuition alone. Lucky Irish .

drrkpd

Galway cheaper-"only" 31,000 euro at NUIG for non-eu plus the usual 2,224!!

Sid_Justice

Lbgem wrote: »

I wish I was paying this much , they charge the non-EU residents 49,200 euros or so for tuition alone. Lucky Irish .

go to med school in your own country maybe if you want to save money

Lbgem

Sid_Justice wrote: »

go to med school in your own country maybe if you want to save money

Ouch. Just said I wish I was paying what you guys were, but I understand why I'm paying more. And we actually pay around that in our country as well for some of the more expensive private med schools. I wanted to go to Ireland because I want to do medicine + Celtic Studies major in college and I love Ireland/all things Irish or so I thought .

drrkpd

Sid_Justice wrote: »

go to med school in your own country maybe if you want to save money

Sid isn't that a touch ott??

Dr Galen

drrkpd wrote: »

Sid isn't that a touch ott??

Let's leave it there shall we?

Cheers

DrG

drrkpd

Dr Galen wrote: »

Let's leave it there shall we?

Cheers

DrG

Thanks for guidance -and anyway the non-eu students subsidise the eu ones anyway!!

Sid_Justice

drrkpd wrote: »

Thanks for guidance -and anyway the non-eu students subsidise the eu ones anyway!!

if there wasn't the non-eu subsidy maybe we'd get a grip in this country on the cost of education. I do sympathise with the non-EU getting ripped off and getting poor value for money. Medschool is obviously a big business, only way to solve it is to deregulate pre-clinical medicine.

Lbgem

Sid_Justice wrote: »

if there wasn't the non-eu subsidy maybe we'd get a grip in this country on the cost of education. I do sympathise with the non-EU getting ripped off and getting poor value for money. Medschool is obviously a big business, only way to solve it is to deregulate pre-clinical medicine.

I was actually pretty shocked how cheap school is in Europe compared to the States. I understand that college is free? for some countries, which is completely unheard of here. We pay ~20K USD which is about 14.2K Euros for in state tuition for a public school (out of state is ~32K Euros). Private universities run ~42K Euros just for tuition alone, cost of living in some of the more expensive cities can run you ~10k Euros if you're living cheaply.

We are told here, that at least for state schools, they lose money on med students, because it costs much more for them to invest in us than the amount we spend on tuition. I'm not sure how it costs that much to educate us...but who knows if that's just something the school puts out there so you don't think you're getting ripped off by the cost.

We expect around 200K to easily 350K Euros worth of debt if you had to borrow money to pay for undergrad and then med school.

Sid_Justice

Education expense is beyond a farce in the USA, we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to them, they lost the plot a long time ago. America's education debt culture is slowly creeping across here.

imported_guy

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Education expense is beyond a farce in the USA, we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to them, they lost the plot a long time ago. America's education debt culture is slowly creeping across here.

capitalism working as intended.

jimdeans

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Education expense is beyond a farce in the USA, we shouldn't be comparing ourselves to them, they lost the plot a long time ago. America's education debt culture is slowly creeping across here.

I would imagine Ireland's is the same or worse for medicine now, when we compare the ease at which the loans will be paid back in each country.

Sid_Justice

jimdeans wrote: »

I would imagine Ireland's is the same or worse for medicine now, when we compare the ease at which the loans will be paid back in each country.

You didn't factor in the cost of the undergrad degree, doubling the debt for Americans, so no, we're not that bad yet.

imported_guy

Sid_Justice wrote: »

You didn't factor in the cost of the undergrad degree, doubling the debt for Americans, so no, we're not that bad yet.

fact is that graduate medicine is a bubble (in ireland), it is very similar to the housing bubble, low cut offs for entry, no interview process, un-motivated students who only are looking at medicine as a way out of their current career, loans without any equity etc etc, its going to fail sooner or later, better print screen this post.

jimdeans

Sid_Justice wrote: »

You didn't factor in the cost of the undergrad degree, doubling the debt for Americans, so no, we're not that bad yet.

Well, I suspect neither of us has done the relevant analysis. But i know young U.S consultants earning 500K per year, and that's not that long post-grad (not sure when they started earning that kind of cash). I don't think they're particularly exceptional or anything. But I would imagine the earnings in the lifetime of the loan in the US:earnings in the lifetime of the loan in IRL doesn't compare that favourably.

I also think (but am unsure) that they had a flexible loan schedule, where they paid more as they earned more, but that could be my memory playing tricks.

Lbgem

jimdeans wrote: »

Well, I suspect neither of us has done the relevant analysis. But i know young U.S consultants earning 500K per year, and that's not that long post-grad (not sure when they started earning that kind of cash). I don't think they're particularly exceptional or anything. But I would imagine the earnings in the lifetime of the loan in the US:earnings in the lifetime of the loan in IRL doesn't compare that favourably.

I also think (but am unsure) that they had a flexible loan schedule, where they paid more as they earned more, but that could be my memory playing tricks.

Wow 500k that would be nice, but from what I can see it's typically around 200-250K or so before taxes (USD btw, so divide that by 1.4 for Euros) on the average. Family docs make about 100K USD, things like derm is like 300-350K+ USD. And this is after residency, so about 3-6 years after med school. During residency we make about 40-60K USD per year.

And there's different ways or repaying the loan. The one you're talking about is income based repayment (I think that's close enough to the exact name). I'm personally going to try to pay them off as fast as possible, because the rate is 7.5% interest. Some people will do a standard repayment plan which will take 10-20 years to pay off.

jimdeans

Lbgem wrote: »

Wow 500k that would be nice, but from what I can see it's typically around 200-250K or so before taxes (USD btw, so divide that by 1.4 for Euros) on the average. Family docs make about 100K USD, things like derm is like 300-350K+ USD. And this is after residency, so about 3-6 years after med school. During residency we make about 40-60K USD per year.

And there's different ways or repaying the loan. The one you're talking about is income based repayment (I think that's close enough to the exact name). I'm personally going to try to pay them off as fast as possible, because the rate is 7.5% interest. Some people will do a standard repayment plan which will take 10-20 years to pay off.

So they earn different amounts depending on the specialty.

My friends do orthopaedic surgery and neurosurgery. Are they vastly out earning their peers?

Interesting what you say about residents on relatively low salaries. My partner keeps telling me we'll have to go to the USA sometime for her to work before she has a hope of applying for an elusive consultant post. I was expecting her to be on mega wages, but she says we'll have a lower standard of living than we do here!!!!

imported_guy

jimdeans wrote: »

My friends do orthopaedic surgery and neurosurgery. Are they vastly out earning their peers?

ortho yes neuro no.

most neuro is in big academic centres, not much private (group) practice, if there is the malpractice insurance is huuuuuuuuuuuuuggeeeee

ROAD residencies earn the most

radiology, ortho, anesthesia (mainly pain, anesthesia job market has become saturated lately), and dermatology, who ever said 300-350k for derm needs to negotiate better contracts lol, there are only a few hundered derm residents that graduate every year.

jimdeans

imported_guy wrote: »

ortho yes neuro no.

most neuro is in big academic centres, not much private (group) practice, if there is the malpractice insurance is huuuuuuuuuuuuuggeeeee

ROAD residencies earn the most

radiology, ortho, anesthesia (mainly pain, anesthesia job market has become saturated lately), and dermatology, who ever said 300-350k for derm needs to negotiate better contracts lol, there are only a few hundered derm residents that graduate every year.

I've a mate who's a consultant (or whatever they're called) radiologist in Washington and he looks like a tramp Always assumed he was earning next to nothing!

Lbgem

jimdeans wrote: »

I've a mate who's a consultant (or whatever they're called) radiologist in Washington and he looks like a tramp Always assumed he was earning next to nothing!

Assuming consultant = max level, then it's called an attending here. And does tramp mean hooker in Irish slang too? Rads earns a lot, and there isn't a pay difference depending on specialties in Ireland? That seems strange to me. There is a very big difference over here depending what you specialize in. It's partly why there's a shortage of family doctors, because it pays the lowest, has (arguably) the least prestige (some people will assume it's because you aren't as smart as the other specialty doctors), a lot of paperwork. Currently there's legislation/politicians trying to decrease the amount of money family docs get by decreasing the amount of repayment they get for medicaid patients. They already lose money taking on those patients and if it passes it will just make the situation worse.