Rules Question

kevgaa

Hi Folks,

Just something that happened me over the weekend. Playing matchplay and after lagging a putt up to a few inches from the hole. I tapped the ball in and onto the next hole. As we walked to the tee my playing partner told me he didnt pull me as he had conceeded the hole but I broke a rule on my putt.

Basically the hole was between myself and ball and I leaned over the hole and tapped the ball into the hole. He said if he hadnt given me the hole I would have lost it and its a 2 shot penalty in other play. Is he correct?

Kev.

Opics

Edit: Don't mind me

Woodgate

Can't really get what you are trying to say happened regarding the putt, was he saying you made an illegal stroke, i.e. pushed the putt? Can you give some more details.

blackwhite

Your playing partner was wrong.

This is specifically addressed in the FAQs to rule 16-1.

"The line of the putt does not extend beyond the hole. There is no penalty for making a stroke in this manner, provided the ball is fairly struck and not raked into the hole."

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Rules-of-Golf.aspx#/rules/?ruleNum=16&subRuleNum=1

Opics

blackwhite wrote: »

Your playing partner was wrong.

This is specifically addressed in the FAQs to rule 16-1.

"The line of the putt does not extend beyond the hole. There is no penalty for making a stroke in this manner, provided the ball is fairly struck and not raked into the hole."

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Rules-of-Golf.aspx#/rules/?ruleNum=16&subRuleNum=1

This is correct. I misread your post when I made my original reply and thought you said "the ball was between myself and and hole" but you actually said "the hole was between myself and ball" :pac:

That's what happens when I try to read not long after waking up :rolleyes:

charlieIRL

i was always under the impression that when your playing partner conceeded the hole then play on that hole is finished and further strokes are no longer counted.

Opics

charlieIRL wrote: »

i was always under the impression that when your playing partner conceeded the hole then play on that hole is finished and further strokes are no longer counted.

Which is what happened. He is only posting a "what if it had mattered" question.

k.p.h

Obviously just a bit of confusion in relation to the standing astride or on the line of a putt rule.
No harm no foul though

kevgaa

Thanks Guys for the response. Yes the hole was finished so it didnt have any impact on the match but I was just curious to make sure I dont do it in regular competition.

Bascially what I learned was better safe than sorry and putt out correctly. The only thing I can think of was possibly a raked putt but what is the definition of raked putt?

kev

AldilaMan

kevgaa wrote: »

Thanks Guys for the response. Yes the hole was finished so it didnt have any impact on the match but I was just curious to make sure I dont do it in regular competition.

Bascially what I learned was better safe than sorry and putt out correctly. The only thing I can think of was possibly a raked putt but what is the definition of raked putt?

kev

I don't know tha actual definition but in effect it means dragging the ball into the hole with the putter so that the putter and ball are connected constantly. A bit like a push shot in snooker where the cue, cue ball and object ball are all connected at the same time.

kevgaa

Thanks, Definetly wasnt a raked putt and on recollection he mentioned something about the line so I reckon I was ok. If my understanding is correct as long as I was beyond the hole and not putting effectively between my legs like croquet I was fine. Saying that I will be watching my putting in future.

Thanks again for all your help.

mags1962

The impression I got from the OP was really in relation to playing out of turn. Were you aware of the concession before you putted out? And if not he was generous in giving you the hole and not claiming the hole for you playing out of turn.
In a strokeplay event perhaps you were standing on his line when you holed out and in doing so you did not have his permission to finish play before him as he was further from the hole and so the two stroke for playing out of turn.

LostPassword

mags1962 wrote: »

The impression I got from the OP was really in relation to playing out of turn. Were you aware of the concession before you putted out? And if not he was generous in giving you the hole and not claiming the hole for you playing out of turn.
In a strokeplay event perhaps you were standing on his line when you holed out and in doing so you did not have his permission to finish play before him as he was further from the hole and so the two stroke for playing out of turn.

Where do people get such detailed non-existant rules from?

There is no penalty for playing out of turn in either matchplay or strokeplay - in matchplay the offender can be made to retake the shot - and certainly not for standing on somebody's line. These are purely codes of ettiquette.

Poker Face

mags1962 wrote: »

The impression I got from the OP was really in relation to playing out of turn. Were you aware of the concession before you putted out? And if not he was generous in giving you the hole and not claiming the hole for you playing out of turn.
In a strokeplay event perhaps you were standing on his line when you holed out and in doing so you did not have his permission to finish play before him as he was further from the hole and so the two stroke for playing out of turn.

No loss of hole in matchplay for playing out of turn. Opponent can ask you to play again. Rule 10.1c

http://www.randa.org/en/Rules-and-Amateur-Status/Rules-of-Golf.aspx#/rules/?ruleNum=10&subRuleNum=1

G1032

mags1962 wrote: »

The impression I got from the OP was really in relation to playing out of turn. Were you aware of the concession before you putted out? And if not he was generous in giving you the hole and not claiming the hole for you playing out of turn.
In a strokeplay event perhaps you were standing on his line when you holed out and in doing so you did not have his permission to finish play before him as he was further from the hole and so the two stroke for playing out of turn.

Is this post a wind up?

blackwhite

LostPassword wrote: »

Where do people get such detailed non-existant rules from?
.........

I don't really understand how people confidently proclaim that "X is the rule" without first checking the RANDA rules explorer. It's not like it's difficult to use.

No matter how sure I think I am of a rule, I prefer to confirm it first.
Too many little intricacies in the rules to ever be 100% confident!

fullstop

mags1962 wrote: »

The impression I got from the OP was really in relation to playing out of turn. Were you aware of the concession before you putted out? And if not he was generous in giving you the hole and not claiming the hole for you playing out of turn.
In a strokeplay event perhaps you were standing on his line when you holed out and in doing so you did not have his permission to finish play before him as he was further from the hole and so the two stroke for playing out of turn.

LOL.

mags1962

My bad as I have never had such a situation and was only offering an opinion. I play golf to enjoy the game and company of other like minded people and I am not a Rules junkie. Sorry I am not an Expert like so many others.

Corkblowin

mags1962 wrote: »

My bad as I have never had such a situation and was only offering an opinion. I play golf to enjoy the game and company of other like minded people and I am not a Rules junkie. Sorry I am not an Expert like so many others.

No need to get into a huff mags - but the only people who can claim to be experts are the tour refs.

It's in your interests to learn the rules because they can help you as often as hinder & knowing them does not make you a 'rules junkie'. The problem with offering 'opinions' without knowledge is that the wrong information gets spread around & others start repeating it.

You don't want to get into a situation where you are accused of cheating because you misapplied, didn't apply, or made up a rule. a label like that is never erased.

(by 'you' I mean all of us golfers - not you personally! )

blackwhite

mags1962 wrote: »

My bad as I have never had such a situation and was only offering an opinion. I play golf to enjoy the game and company of other like minded people and I am not a Rules junkie. Sorry I am not an Expert like so many others.

It wasn't an opinion though was it. You confidently stated that there is a two stroke penalty for playing out of turn. Somebody who doesn't know any better could read it and think that it is actually the rule.

Not trying to have a go at you personally, but if you're not 100% on a rule then check it out before posting, it only takes 20 seconds!

mags1962

Never heard of Randa and as I said I am not a Rules Exert.

Jul3s

mags1962 wrote: »

Never heard of Randa and as I said I am not a Rules Exert.

Best keep your mouth shut so seen as you don't know what you're talking about.

Kid Charlemagne

i did the online rules quiz on r&a - 3 out of 10 :eek:

Kid Charlemagne

Jul3s wrote: »

Best keep your mouth shut so seen as you don't know what you're talking about.

While the sentiment is reasonable the delivery is vulgar and offensive.

Opics

mags1962 wrote: »

Never heard of Randa and as I said I am not a Rules Exert.

Then why did you make a post about a rule? (a made up rule at that) :pac:

mags1962

I don't take anything personally guys so be as critical as you like but as I said I only posted and opinion, my take on the OP's situation and you know what they say about opinions ...
I would imagine nobody would take rules advice from a playing partner or opponent as fact and even less so from a bunch of internet keyboard warriors.

Myksyk

mags1962 wrote: »

I don't take anything personally guys ...

... bunch of internet keyboard warriors

Ouch.

mags1962

At least I included myself:)

GreeBo

I think we've all learnt a lesson hete. Dont post in a manner that suggests you are stating fact when its really only an opinion. Only together we can remive these "local" rules from golf.
On that note I declare this thread lost.:-D