Germany prostitute tax

WalterMitty

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0830/breaking48.html?via=mr

We near the religous and feminists wanting to make buying sex illegal like in Sweden, but there is another way , the German way. As far as likes as Ruhama and certain feminists are concerned , no women can ever freely consent to have sex for money, even if she beleives she is making a free choice they would contend she is being forced. Of course most women do it out of drug addicition or extreme poverty but there is a sizeable minority who see it as an easy way of making big money and arent damaged by their "work" in same way many people work in porn industry getting paid for having sex with strangers.
What system would you like to see in Ireland?

MrStuffins

None. Have you seen Irish hookers?

I wouldn't shag them if THEY paid ME!

Barrt2

WalterMitty wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0830/breaking48.html?via=mr

We near the religous and feminists wanting to make buying sex illegal like in Sweden, but there is another way , the German way. As far as likes as Ruhama and certain feminists are concerned , no women can ever freely consent to have sex for money, even if she beleives she is making a free choice they would contend she is being forced. Of course most women do it out of drug addicition or extreme poverty but there is a sizeable minority who see it as an easy way of making big money and arent damaged by their "work" in same way many people work in porn industry getting paid for having sex with strangers.
What system would you like to see in Ireland?

SEXY SATURDAYS

:D:D:D:D

MyKeyG

It's a bit unfair to credit the Germans. The Netherlands have been taxing prostitution for years:D

Chuck Stone

This view

WalterMitty wrote: »

As far as likes as Ruhama and certain feminists are concerned , no women can ever freely consent to have sex for money, even if she beleives she is making a free choice they would contend she is being forced.

Versus this view

there is a sizeable minority who see it as an easy way of making big money and arent damaged by their "work" in same way many people work in porn industry getting paid for having sex with strangers.

would make a good debate imo.

MyKeyG

I absolutely agree. I can't see why pornography is legal but prostitution is not. Sex for money is sex for money whatever way you cut it.

dermiek

Aren't marriages similar? Hubby goes out to work, gets paid. Wife shags him to get some of his money. Even if she works, she still wants more. All women are basically hookers.

Kylo Ren

dermiek wrote: »

Aren't marriages similar? Hubby goes out to work, gets paid. Wife shags him to get some of his money. Even if she works, she still wants more. All women are basically hookers.

Exactly! This is so true. Except for the women who don't get married. And the ones who do get married and are not hookers.

Sea Sharp

Rebuild the Monto and legalise coke so we can all go to the Monto for coke and hookers.

Donald Draper

I think every man should have have to shag a hooker at least once. They all pay for it in some way anyway.

up for anything

I like the new wave of trolls on boards. Not subtle but not so outrageous as to merit immediate banning. :rolleyes:

discus

Sea Sharp wrote: »

Rebuild the Monto and legalise coke so we can all go to the Monto for coke and hookers.

Nows the time... Land around those parts is cheap as hell these days!

BRING ER UP THE MONTO MONTO MONTO!

RichieC

MyKeyG wrote: »

I absolutely agree. I can't see why pornography is legal but prostitution is not. Sex for money is sex for money whatever way you cut it.

How is porno sex for money? it's free!

endabob1

up for anything wrote: »

I like the new wave of trolls on boards. Not subtle but not so outrageous as to merit immediate banning. :rolleyes:

I for one welcome our new Troll overlords.... etc....

stupidusername

Is there such a thing as a male prostitute in ireland? I mean the straight type

Capt'n Midnight

In Ireland it is legal to receive payment for sex.

If you don't declare income you can be done for tax evasion.


So currently we do tax prostitution.



It's the soliciting and running a brothel etc. that is illegal.

Guill

stupidusername wrote: »

Is there such a thing as a male prostitute in ireland? I mean the straight type

You're straight and want to have sex with a straight man? How queer.....

wild_cat

I really don't know what to make of Ruhama at all.

People seriously ignore the fact that their board and funding comes via religious channels.

We all know what the sisters of the good shepard got up to the least time they tried to help "fallen women" and I fear just like the WRC on Dorest st they have an alternative motive but the are keeping the lefties on side by removing the religious aspect from their website and refusing to show where their funding comes from.


People need to get real, Sex workers need proper protection, its an industry that is never going to cease and pretending you can achieve some sex worker free utopia because you're religious or into a certain school of feminism needs to end before any real steps can be made.

stupidusername

Guill wrote: »

You're straight and want to have sex with a straight man? How queer.....

i know, i'm so ghey

4leto

I don't see why I should pay a prostitute tax when I don't use them, besides I am already creased with the bear tax.

Mr Benevolent

RichieC wrote: »

How is porno sex for money? it's free!

The actors get paid.

cournioni

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

In Ireland it is legal to receive payment for sex.

If you don't declare income you can be done for tax evasion.


So currently we do tax prostitution.



It's the soliciting and running a brothel etc. that is illegal.

So is it 9%, 13.5% or 21%?

I'd imagine it would go under the 13.5% band... :pac:

maddragon

I'm getting ridden by the taxman already so a prostitute tax is irrelevant.

Cuddlesworth

stupidusername wrote: »

Is there such a thing as a male prostitute in ireland? I mean the straight type

Yes, there are also gay prositutes(m&f) and couples/double teams(m/m,m/f,f/f). Quite the lively industry.

orourkeda

Tax the fannies off them

crazygeryy

dermiek wrote: »

Aren't marriages similar? Hubby goes out to work, gets paid. Wife shags him to get some of his money. Even if she works, she still wants more. All women are basically hookers.

the head of Ruhama is a boardsie, i never knew.

stupidusername

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Yes, there are also gay prositutes(m&f) and couples/double teams(m/m,m/f,f/f). Quite the lively industry.

oooh it's like a magical sparkly sex world that I don't know about.

paddyandy

No good on this thread just low life banter.

grumpymunster

I go to work Monday to Friday, my employer pays for my time whilst in work. Taxman taxes what my employer pays me.

Whats the difference in practice I am a prostitute as is everyone else working for a living, just a different industry thats all.

Logical Fallacy

stupidusername wrote: »

Is there such a thing as a male prostitute in ireland? I mean the straight type

Yes.

Mike 1972

wild_cat wrote: »

I really don't know what to make of Ruhama at all.

People seriously ignore the fact that their board and funding comes via religious channels. .

I am sick of the way the media keeps referring to Ruhama as an organisation of former prostitutes when this is (at best) not the full truth and whitewashes the fact that they are a pushing an hidden and dangerous agenda which has damn all to do with the protection of women in general nor prostitutes in particular.

Mickey H

So, German hookers are trying to ride out the recession... Didn't see that coming...

galwayrush

A tipping tax.

The_Thing

If Ruhama could have their way you wouldn't even be able to see a pair of breasts on Page 3 let alone anything else.

They are using the issue of human trafficking as a convenient ploy to further their own religious agenda.

Capt'n Midnight

cournioni wrote: »

So is it 9%, 13.5% or 21%?

I'd imagine it would go under the 13.5% band... :pac:

The prostitute pays income tax, simples.


But to be pedantic, the current VAT rate for semen is 13.5% , I shít you not.

hatrickpatrick

I personally think this method of taxation is a complete scam and totally unfair.

As I understand it, they must pay €6 to be allowed to openly work for a night.
So what happens if on that particular night, they get no customers at all?

This isn't income tax in any way, this is literally forcing people to pay to work in that job, whether they turn any profit from it or not. Complete scam. Why should anyone pay tax on their work if their work doesn't actually bring in any money? Tax is supposed to be a percentage of revenue or money received. This kind of flat tax idea is completely unfair.

You may say that the idea of a prostitute getting no business on a particular night is stupid, but when you consider that it's legal there, you can imagine there might be a good bit of competition involved... Ingenius way for the government to tax you regardless of how much you actually make.

Badgermonkey

Interesting site offering an alternative perspective.

Also documents the religious affiliations of the various organisations advocating the adoption of the ineffective Swedish model.

Welcome to the “Turn Off the Blue Light” (TOBL) website.

We are a sex worker led association campaigning against calls to criminalise the purchase of sex, and for the health, safety, human, civil and labour rights of sex workers in Ireland.

There is currently a “Turn Off the Red Light” (TORL) campaign being run by an alliance of organisations. They say they want to end prostitution and sex trafficking and ‘the solution’ is to criminalise the purchasers of sex. We believe the real agenda is to have their own ideology on sex work enacted as law. Further criminalisation would drive the sex industry deeper underground and make it more dangerous for everyone. Our priority is the well being of persons in sex work, not any moral agenda, thus we strongly oppose the TORL campaign. Read More

We are an association of Irish sex workers and others with an interest in the welfare of sex workers in Ireland. We are led by sex workers. Membership of Turn Off the Blue Light is open to all individuals and organisations who support our objectives, but only those working in the sex industry are voting members. Read More.

At this current time the threat of further criminalisation is imminent, and we need sex workers to be included in this debate, not excluded, as is currently the case. Whatever your views on sex work are, it is not right that sex workers are being denied a voice in discussions on laws that will seriously impact our lives.

http://www.turnoffthebluelight.ie/

hatrickpatrick

I just wish the establishment in general would one day accept that consensual matters between adults are 100% none of their business. Ever. Whether it's prostitution or smoking a bowl, if it's not directly hurting any third party without their permission, the government has no right whatsoever to attempt to control it. F*ck the nanny state. The government's job is to protect our rights, if no one's rights are being infringed then no crime is being committed.

Alopex

really annoys me whores get away with not paying tax. go on escorts.ie they're making a fortune

hatrickpatrick

Alopex wrote: »

really annoys me whores get away with not paying tax. go on escorts.ie they're making a fortune

Sure it'd just be going into the golden circle's back pockets anyway. :rolleyes:

I find it rather difficult to get upset about tax evasion when I know any tax people pay in this country is going to gamblers who should have been let face the harsh reality of life just like everyone else rather than being mollycoddled by the government. "You invested in something which went under? Sorry, tough sh... Oh wait hang on, you're a BANK bondholder? Oh please do forgive me, I'm so sorry I had no idea! Come in come in, we have this 'auld pile of cash we can use to accommodate you... Yeah no don't worry it's just our pension reserve, nothing remotely important!!! Want some IMF bonds while you're at it? They're on the house"

Alopex

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Sure it'd just be going into the golden circle's back pockets anyway. :rolleyes:

I find it rather difficult to get upset about tax evasion when I know any tax people pay in this country is going to gamblers who should have been let face the harsh reality of life just like everyone else rather than being mollycoddled by the government. "You invested in something which went under? Sorry, tough sh... Oh wait hang on, you're a BANK bondholder? Oh please do forgive me, I'm so sorry I had no idea! Come in come in, we have this 'auld pile of cash we can use to accommodate you... Yeah no don't worry it's just our pension reserve, nothing remotely important!!! Want some IMF bonds while you're at it? They're on the house"

dude you realise irish people are paying for all that? that whore tax could be helpful when the IMF start getting tough

stupidusername

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The prostitute pays income tax, simples.

Oh so she pays tax depending on how much comes in to her?

*snigger*

Beggared

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

As I understand it, they must pay €6 to be allowed to openly work for a night.
So what happens if on that particular night, they get no customers at all?

This isn't income tax in any way, this is literally forcing people to pay to work in that job, whether they turn any profit from it or not. Complete scam.

Isn't that very much like a market stall holder paying for using a pitch? He might sell nothing or he might sell everything he has. You're correct in saying it's not an income tax, it's more like a casual traders licence.

Capt'n Midnight

Alopex wrote: »

really annoys me whores get away with not paying tax. go on escorts.ie they're making a fortune

If you think people are evading tax by not declaring income you can report them.

sexter

stupidusername wrote: »

Is there such a thing as a male prostitute in ireland? I mean the straight type

A woman paying for sex is like a man paying for grass.

stupidusername

sexter wrote: »

A woman paying for sex is like a man paying for grass.

well i'm sure there's some women that can't get it.

Dangerous Man

Ruhama need to be wiped out.

sexter

stupidusername wrote: »

well i'm sure there's some women that can't get it.

Do you not live in Ireland? Here, no matter how unattractive a female is there are thousands of desperate males who would be willing to crawl through broken glass for miles to have sex with her. Saying that, I did forget how high these fat ugly female's standards usually are. So maybe that explains why they'd pay for it.

Capt'n Midnight

sexter wrote: »

A woman paying for sex is like a man paying for grass.

The legalising drugs thread is over there ====>