Kells wants their book back

bradyle

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0830/kells.html

Kells has decided they want the book back...Trinity says no

Cant blame Trinity it makes them a ridiculous amount of money every year.

Was just wondering what ye all think...have many gone to see it...I did...big let down pretty sh1t compared to the long library but i still don't think they should give it up. Like Kells doesn't even have any where to put it...they'd be relying on the gov to give them money for a center

There's a thread about it in Ah but its being used by some as just a bit of trinity bashing so thought i'd say it over here where at least we're nice about ourselves

blubloblu

If anything, it belongs to Iona more than it does to Kells.

Tears in Rain

About as stupid an idea as returning the elks from the Museum Building to whatever bog they were scooped out of. Who would trek all the way out to Kells to see the book? I wouldn't even be able to point it out on a map.

Lawliet

Someone needs to tell them they can have their book back when they learn to read it.

eVeNtInE

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Ahoyhoy

I love how they say that Trinity don't own it, Trinity has put together the facilities to store it and preserve it, having developed a hefty bunch of those techniques over several hundred years too. Trinity historians have studied it and helped unravel some of its history.

If they want it can bloody well put together the facilities to preserve the ancient book so.

Actually, no they can't. They can bugger off, it's ours.

WildSaffron

Trinity stole the Book of Kells. Ever wonder how the senior general of Cromwell's army, Henry Jones, ended up being Vice Chancellor of Trinity College and "giving" the Book to the Library in 1661?

"The School of Kells" was renowned as the principal monastery of the Columban monasteries in Ireland, Scotland and England. Several books came out of that monastery, never mind the high crosses, the book shrine of the Cathach of the O'Donnells, the Kells Crozier.

This was all during the time when the Dublin people were scratching their ar*ses and wondering what scraps their Viking lords would throw them next.

People try and get out of this by mocking Kells - its not a trek - its 40 mins drive from Dublin - people here can read - possibly better than most of the people in Dublin - and we know Trinity stole our Book. No matter how they try and dress it up.

Looking after the Book is not rocket science.

Gae

bradyle wrote: »

Kells has decided they want the book back...Trinity says no

They've always wanted it back. This isn't new.

spoonbadger

WildSaffron wrote: »

This was all during the time when the Dublin people were scratching their ar*ses and wondering what scraps their Viking lords would throw them next.

What.

"Aye, i remember it well! I was only a wee young'in at the time, but i remember Kells as the center of political and social revolution compared to nasty old Dublin"

Seriously, What the hell does that have to do with anything?

"The School of Kells" was renowned as the principal monastery of the Columban monasteries in Ireland, Scotland and England. Several books came out of that monastery, never mind the high crosses, the book shrine of the Cathach of the O'Donnells, the Kells Crozier.

Yes, it came from a Columban monastery. Made by monks, used by monks and owned by monks. If there was any question of historical ownership, it'd rightfully be the property of The Church, or a monastic order that descended from the Columban monasteries if such a thing exists.

I'm pretty sure if someone back then asked the monastery to donate an expensive, skillfully crafted item of their faith to the Kells community, they'd be told where to **** off.

It had nothing to do with the people of Kells back then, and it has even less to do with an entirely different Kells population now. It didn't belong to the community back then, I fail to see how it belongs to a different community just because they live in the same place regardless.

It seems to me your entire argument comes down to, "It was here for a while, it has our name in it, we want some tourist money and we like to complain about things".

MajorMax

Give us back the "stone of scone" while you're at it!

Lawliet

WildSaffron wrote: »

people here can read - possibly better than most of the people in Dublin

That was a joke, although the Book of Kells wasn't written in English or Irish, so that wasn't even an insult to intelligence of the Kells population.

Brian

Country folk, eh.

gavmcg92

Finders keepers, Losers weepers!

wolfpawnat

It is shocking that people are being charged to see a national treasure, especially when it is property of the state, not just a college! I suppose UCD should get the Ardagh Chalice and NUI Gallway should get the Tara Broach under that logic! It should be in the National Museum or the National Library, and free for all to see!

Steve Higginson

wolfpawnat wrote: »

It is shocking that people are being charged to see a national treasure, especially when it is property of the state, not just a college! I suppose UCD should get the Ardagh Chalice and NUI Gallway should get the Tara Broach under that logic! It should be in the National Museum or the National Library, and free for all to see!

I fail to see how it's the property of the state given that Trinity have owned it for several times the length of the state's existence.

wolfpawnat

Steve Higginson wrote: »

I fail to see how it's the property of the state given that Trinity have owned it for several times the length of the state's existence.

The Ardagh Chalice and the Tara Broach are just as old, but by law they are property of the state, which is the way of saying property of everyone of Ireland. Trinity cannot own what is the property of the people, and it is sickening that a college can profit from it! You'd say something if the money went to the OPW!

NSNO

wolfpawnat wrote: »

The Ardagh Chalice and the Tara Broach are just as old, but by law they are property of the state, which is the way of saying property of everyone of Ireland. Trinity cannot own what is the property of the people, and it is sickening that a college can profit from it! You'd say something if the money went to the OPW!

How is it sickening that a publicly funded university can 'profit' from it? :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

wolfpawnat wrote: »

It is shocking that people are being charged to see a national treasure, especially when it is property of the state, not just a college! I suppose UCD should get the Ardagh Chalice and NUI Gallway should get the Tara Broach under that logic! It should be in the National Museum or the National Library, and free for all to see!

Just because something is a national treasure doesn't make it public property.

Brian

Same logic is frequently applied to the Seoige sisters, I believe.

wolfpawnat

NSNO wrote: »

How is it sickening that a publicly funded university can 'profit' from it? :rolleyes:

Because it is publicly funded, and the public have to PAY to see the book!

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Just because something is a national treasure doesn't make it public property.

According to Irish Law it is!

Lawliet

wolfpawnat wrote: »

According to Irish Law it is!

Not true in all cases. Only buried or lost treasure once discovered is automatically the property of the state, the Book of Kells has never been lost.

Ahoyhoy

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Because it is publicly funded, and the public have to PAY to see the book!

You also have to PAY to attend A&E in a publicly funded hospital. It's not like Trinity is spending the profit on caviar and slaves. The money goes to fund the university and the education of the people of Ireland, to both the short and long term benefit of said people. The reason Trinity has to find other sources of income is because pseudo socialists like yourself won't pay a higher tax rate but still demand better services.

Besides which, the majority of people who go to see the Book of Kells aren't even Irish. If it iss an Irish national treasure, why shouldn't an Irish, state funded body profit from charging people who don't live/pay tax Ireland?