Seat Leon/Toledo Tdi ?

vectra

Might be looking at a few of these over the coming days.
At a guess I would say between 2000 and 2002 models.

Anything to watch out for?
Any ideas as to specific models ? ( SE etc. ?)
Any known problems with them?

vectra

Anybody?? :P

V Eight

Obviously this is good!


Nothing to watch out for.
No known problems.

MidlandsM

Vectra,

Look out for the same stuff you'd look out for on any vag yoke...no mistique to them at all.

Hope you find a good one.

deaglan169

look out for leak in the passenger footwell, they can leak in from the pollen filter, lift carpets and have a good feel around, also the doors can fill with water if the drain holes become blocked and water can seep over the sill and into footwells, other than that just the usual really, ive never had any problems with my own not even the water problem, there was a problem with the early leons a pipe would corrode on the braker servo and it was covered by seat as it was a recall keep and eye out for that

EPM

Buy a standard one and not a felt spec model. They were the felter of choice for a while. Window regs, door seals as mentioned and make sure all the electrics work. It's not unknown for a few gremlins to be in there. Check out an Ibiza PD130 too. Rare but a little rocket due to the weight.

GTE

From 2002 onwards the Golf got a suspension and other bits like that upgraded.
I do not know how this filters down into Seats but its worth finding out.

Depending what you want the car for I would be in favour of sticking to the 90 (AGR and ALH) and 110 (AFN??) HP engines as they are pre PD and pre VAG TDI's becoming god awful.

Though I wouldnt let myself get totally put off PD TDI's. If they are well taken care of and always had the CORRECT OIL then you should be alright.

I am at 173000 miles on my AGR and the only problems that I have had since 150 is an oil leak and a temperature sensor.

On the temp sensor note they can go. About 20 quid to get, a DIY to fix and yer grand.

Presuming the Seats suffer the same mark 4 gremlins:

As mentioned the pollen filter can let in water.
As mentioned check the drains under the doors.
If it has a sunroof check the drains and cut the tips off them.

Those mark 4's like letting water in. I just fixed the sunroof drains because I forgot to clean them every month Fixed it permanently now, I chopped the ends off the drain pipes. No need worrying about it now though. Very easy fix.

I imagine it would be easier to find a lower mileage Leon that was well cared for, many of the Toledo would be ex rep mobiles I reckon, a Leon is a nicer bus too I think.

McP2011

I wouldn't go for a 110bhp as turbos in them aren't great...also check that the central locking works...they can give trouble with boost solenoids sometimes and also the boost pipes will almost certaintly need replaced cause they split over time.

vectra

McP2011 wrote: »

I wouldn't go for a 110bhp as turbos in them aren't great...also check that the central locking works...they can give trouble with boost solenoids sometimes and also the boost pipes will almost certaintly need replaced cause they split over time.

Was going to look at this one.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2460156

deaglan169

like a previous poster stated id stay away from the felt spec stuff unless thats what your into! it seems alot for a 00 with 132k miles and new gearbox, personnally it screams boy racer to me

even with vrt this would be a better buy i reckon http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/great-driving-seat-toledo-19tdi-not-audi-bmw-vauxhall-ford-focus-astra-megane-toledo-golf/86977630

V Eight

deaglan169 wrote: »

like a previous poster stated id stay away from the felt spec stuff unless thats what your into! it seems alot for a 00 with 132k miles and new gearbox, personnally it screams boy racer to me

even with vrt this would be a better buy i reckon http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/great-driving-seat-toledo-19tdi-not-audi-bmw-vauxhall-ford-focus-astra-megane-toledo-golf/86977630

I agree looks like a trader selling the Irish Car - It looks great but maybe a little too great. and whats the story with the swapping around of the alloys, in one picture they have been removed from the golf and put on the Toledo!

Anyway a Toledo is a Leon just with a boot! -Keep looking for a good one and put a nice set of alloys on yourself.

VE

colm_mcm

If its for 'vectra B' I guess it'll end up being modified anyway?

Dj

deaglan169 wrote: »

like a previous poster stated id stay away from the felt spec stuff unless thats what your into! it seems alot for a 00 with 132k miles and new gearbox, personnally it screams boy racer to me

even with vrt this would be a better buy i reckon http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/great-driving-seat-toledo-19tdi-not-audi-bmw-vauxhall-ford-focus-astra-megane-toledo-golf/86977630

What would be a good price for a 00 Leon or 00 Toledo Diesel am looking into to getting one myself, so all this info is a great help

vectra

V Eight wrote: »

I agree looks like a trader selling the Irish Car - It looks great but maybe a little too great. and whats the story with the swapping around of the alloys, in one picture they have been removed from the golf and put on the Toledo!
VE

That one got sold tonight

MidlandsM

diesel stuff is moving fast.........point in case.

McP2011

vectra wrote: »

Was going to look at this one.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/2460156

I wouldnt give that price for one but thats my opinion...also look out for signs of the car been clocked cause there is alot of clocking going on.

McP2011

And what is the deal with everyone hating 'felt spec' cars?...there not all wrecked you know.

MidlandsM

True, but some look well, and some look cack......

GTE

McP2011 wrote: »

I wouldn't go for a 110bhp as turbos in them aren't great...also check that the central locking works...they can give trouble with boost solenoids sometimes and also the boost pipes will almost certaintly need replaced cause they split over time.

First I've heard of any of that. With regards to turbos.
Is what you think based on the 110 VE or a similarly powered PD?

VolvoMan

McP2011 wrote: »

And what is the deal with everyone hating 'felt spec' cars?...there not all wrecked you know.

Yes they are.

'Felt spec is a derogatory term sure.

L-M

I've 240,000 on my Tdi and there's no sign of it stopping. Sumps are awful weak on them, most bits are cheaply got for them as they're pretty much the same as a Golf/Bora.

I looked at a few recently when the brother in law was changing and alot of them were rough as badgers. Some with 110/120k on them and driving no where near as tight as mine.

colm_mcm

How about an mg zs 115 td?

vectra

colm_mcm wrote: »

How about an mg zs 115 td?

Looked at an MGZS today ( 1.4 petrol)
Shocking condition.
Nothing like it was on Donedeal.

Do you know of one?

colm_mcm

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/northernireland/search/used/cars/mg/zs/postcode/bt39jp/radius/100/quicksearch/true/ni-only/on

Might be a bit rich but looks minty and the best colour.

elvis99

Ive had my 110bhp 99 toledo for the last 6 months, hasn't kicked up one bit of fuss. The only wee thing is my gearbox is a bit weak but otherwise its going grand.

Just beware of buying heaps of scrap that young guys have the ar$e driven out of. Some guys re map them to 140+ which leads to all sorts of issues.

Just take it handy and you'll get your 60.5 mpg like my wagon :P

vectra

Thanks guys
May be looking at a Toledo 110 tomorrow..Fingers crossed this one will be good.

Mycroft H

306 Hdi?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/donedeal/classifieds/viewFullPhoto.jsp?cid=7751481&ad=2484695

The Hdi was a far more refined engine then the PD TDI of its day.

vectra

BX 19 wrote: »

306 Hdi?

http://cars.donedeal.ie/donedeal/classifieds/viewFullPhoto.jsp?cid=7751481&ad=2484695

The Hdi was a far more refined engine then the PD TDI of its day.

No Thanks.
Nothing french I am afraid

Thanks anyhow for the suggestion

McP2011

bbk wrote: »

First I've heard of any of that. With regards to turbos.
Is what you think based on the 110 VE or a similarly powered PD?

There was no 110bhp PD engine was there?

McP2011

VolvoMan wrote: »

Yes they are.

'Felt spec is a derogatory term sure.

You havent seen many 'felt spec' cars up close have you?...do you even truely know what it means lol.

VolvoMan

McP2011 wrote: »

You havent seen many 'felt spec' cars up close have you?...do you even truely know what it means lol.

I don't really understand what your argument is?

'Felt spec is the modifcation of mainly VAG diesel cars with things like crap looking replica wheels from more expensive models, oversized sunvisors, hideous bodykits with chickenwire grilles and misleading badging that is sometimes contradictory (B6 Audi RS4 TDI etc etc.)

McP2011

VolvoMan wrote: »

I don't really understand what your argument is?

'Felt spec is the modifcation of mainly VAG diesel cars with things like crap looking replica wheels from more expensive models, oversized sunvisors, hideous bodykits with chickenwire grilles and misleading badging that is sometimes contradictory (B6 Audi RS4 TDI etc etc.)

My argument is that not all 'felt spec' cars are wrecked.

Ugly bodykits arent felt spec lol...do you know what felt is?

mad-for-tar

Currently have an 05 PD150 Leon and its a great car, great runabout with great fuel economy. 2nd time owning the same car after periods of time with both a B5 S4 and B5 RS4 Audis. No match for the effortlessness of both of those cars or the fit and finish and quality but the Leon is pretty well screwed together and takes some of the better parts from the VAG bins. As mentioned previously, watch out for water ingress in various places. Mine hasnt misssed a beat in 103k miles apart from a coolant temp sensor, always serviced on the button with correct fluids and parts, mechanically well cared for. Also another common fault is unexplained rattles in the boot lid, most of them have a problem but can be solved by adjusting the rod from the handle to the catch and putting in some bits of foam or rubber to dampen out the vibrations.

I remember seeing somewhere a few years ago that the Leon/Toledo was the most reliable out of the PQ34 platform VAG cars....no doubt I cant find that article now...

Good luck in the search anyway

VolvoMan

McP2011 wrote: »

Ugly bodykits arent felt spec lol...do you know what felt is?

http://www.octane.ie/news/article.php?id=587

vectra

VolvoMan wrote: »

I don't really understand what your argument is?

'Felt spec is the modifcation of mainly VAG diesel cars with things like crap looking replica wheels from more expensive models, oversized sunvisors, hideous bodykits with chickenwire grilles and misleading badging that is sometimes contradictory (B6 Audi RS4 TDI etc etc.)

McP2011 wrote: »

My argument is that not all 'felt spec' cars are wrecked.

Ugly bodykits arent felt spec lol...do you know what felt is?

VolvoMan wrote: »

http://www.octane.ie/news/article.php?id=587

I can see both sides here guys
But to be fair there are a lot of Hidiously modified cars out there NOT in the vag range.

Can these be called "Felt spec" also?

In that link volvoman put up I just grabbed this line

'Felt spec is the art of badly modifying a VAG diesel car

As McP2011 Said
Not all can be considered felt spec as some of them are nicely kitted and to be fair to their owners they have spent a lot of money on them. Not to replicate more expensive models but more so to personalize their cars.

I don't see any problem with nicely modded ones but as for the die hard "Felt Speccers" :rolleyes:


Back on topic

heading off up the country again in the morning to look at a Toledo 110
Hopefully this one will be good.

Thanks for all the advice.

McP2011

VolvoMan wrote: »

http://www.octane.ie/news/article.php?id=587

And i highly doubt it was a ni person that wrote that....felt spec dont do ugly bodykits...that was the so called max power styling days with those that has long gone except for an odd person and more commonly someone from the south that still do them.

GTE

McP2011 wrote: »

There was no 110bhp PD engine was there?

Thats why I didn't say 110 PD. There was a 103ish HP and a 114ish HP PD, similarly enough powered to the 110 VE.

I have never read anything bad in terms of the turbos in relation to the old 110 HP VE so I wanted to confirm to make sure.

vectra

well, After 1300 kilometers of driving we finally got this one.

Got fed up with looking at $hiteboxes belonging to clowns telling this one is mint and that one is 100%
Mother of divine..!!
The drive from Cork to Edenderry was the last straw.
Almost bought a '04 that was very tastefully done, but (Vectra B ) wanted Black
What ye reckon?
Not a rattle of sqeak or knock out of it.
Drives like a new one.
Few little bits to sort out but only cosmetic item that might add up to €50 or so,
Serviced just before I collected it.
Timing kit done. couple of bushings replaced.
90bhp model but pulls like first day.
Full service history included.
http://www.carzone.ie/search/SEAT/Toledo/1.9-TDI-/201130203622700/advert?channel=CARS

L-M

I hope ye got a good bit off the asking with the mileage, but you'll easily see another 100k without bother

EPM

How much in the end?

vectra

EPM wrote: »

How much in the end?

2.5k

The car absolutely drives like new.

GTE

Well done Vectra. I have a soft spot for the 90hp TDI.
By no means the quickest car about but if you get the right gear and rev situation there is a pleasing bit of pull.
Whack a remap on that some day and it will be lovely. Apparently my turbo is too old (173,000 miles) for a remap.
EDIT: Ahh, yers is 180,000 miles. Feck.

A pity they didnt do an estate Toledo/Leon. One of the nicest mark 4 cars around.

vectra

bbk wrote: »

Well done Vectra. I have a soft spot for the 90hp TDI.
By no means the quickest car about but if you get the right gear and rev situation there is a pleasing bit of pull.
Whack a remap on that some day and it will be lovely. Apparently my turbo is too old (173,000 miles) for a remap.
EDIT: Ahh, yers is 180,000 miles. Feck.

A pity they didnt do an estate Toledo/Leon. One of the nicest mark 4 cars around.

Plenty of pull in it for junior
Actually was very close to buying a different one for 4.5k, 2004 model with nice touches to it but decided to go with this one for what it is needed for

VolvoMan

I always thought there was something very elegant about the styling of these.

Best of luck to your son with it anyway.

vectra

vectra wrote: »

2.5k..........

Not too bad, you wouldn't get a better one for less I imagine.
Happy motoring with it.

Mycroft H

Hope ya didn't pay that much for it!

vectra

RoverJames wrote: »

Not too bad, you wouldn't get a better one for less I imagine.
Happy motoring with it.

Thanks,
Looks good and drives spot on.

BX 19 wrote: »

Hope ya didn't pay that much for it!

2.5k I paid