Irish pilgrims prevent Abortion

alex73

Great Article!





Among the first fruits of World Youth Day is a human life saved from abortion.
The International Center for the Defense of Human Life (CIDEVIDA) told ZENIT about the baby who was saved Aug. 19.
That day, a group of Irish pilgrims were praying in front of the church of St. Martin of Tours, nearby an abortion clinic.
A couple arrived at the clinic with the intention of aborting their child, but the young people were able to speak to them about the decision.
A volunteer from CIDEVIDA, which had set up an exhibition in the cloister of the church, joined the group and put the couple in contact with the Red Madre (Mother Network) Foundation, which gives support, advice and help to pregnant women.
This network committed itself to support the birth of the couple's child, and the parents grew stronger in their decision not to abort.
CIDEVIDA's secretary, Juan José Panizo, spoke of the "gift" of this life as a joy for all.
"Thank you, Benedict, for having come," he said, also praising the volunteer and the Irish pilgrims.
CIDEVIDA was founded in 2009 to give information on the reality of abortion and to promote alternatives to help pregnant women with problems.
Among other activities, the organization has a permanent exhibition on abortion in the villa of Tordesillas, in the province of Valladolid; a center to help pregnant women and care for those suffering from post-abortion syndrome; and a documentary center.

gimmebroadband

Fantastic news for sure! Here is a link to the full story!

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-victorious-day-baby-saved-from-abortion-at-world-youth-day-by-live-action

fatmammycat

gimmebroadband wrote: »

Fantastic news for sure! Here is a link to the full story!

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-victorious-day-baby-saved-from-abortion-at-world-youth-day-by-live-action

Disgusting, harrassing and bothering people on the street, reciting mumbo-jumbo and leaving roses around, I mean really pathetic. This stupid story stinks too. Assuming it's not bull, that couple were probably there to get an appointment, which I'm sure they got, and were able to go back to decide on their own lives at a different time. Hopefully it was a time when nosy nutjobs were not there to bother them.

Zombrex

In fairness if she didn't want an abortion but saw no alternative offering to help her support the child is not the worst thing in the world. I hope the charity make good on their claim and don't just abandon the women after the baby is born. Time will tell I guess.

Anyone who can be swayed from having an abortion by some religious people talking (or even shouting) at them as they walk into the clinic probably shouldn't be having an abortion in the first place.

(to clarify I'm an atheist and pro-choice)

gimmebroadband

fatmammycat wrote: »

Disgusting, harrassing and bothering people on the street, reciting mumbo-jumbo and leaving roses around, I mean really pathetic. This stupid story stinks too. Assuming it's not bull, that couple were probably there to get an appointment, which I'm sure they got, and were able to go back to decide on their own lives at a different time. Hopefully it was a time when nosy nutjobs were not there to bother them.

Your remarks are disgusting, you don't have to be religious to know that killing the unborn is despicable!

alex73

fatmammycat wrote: »

Disgusting, harrassing and bothering people on the street, reciting mumbo-jumbo and leaving roses around, I mean really pathetic. This stupid story stinks too. Assuming it's not bull, that couple were probably there to get an appointment, which I'm sure they got, and were able to go back to decide on their own lives at a different time. Hopefully it was a time when nosy nutjobs were not there to bother them.

If i wanted this thread to be dragged down and killed by trolls i would have posted in after hours.

Its a Christianity forum. Of course we Don't agree with on demand killing of Children.

so if you have nothing Christian to say open your own thread in a non christian forum

fatmammycat

Wicknight wrote: »

In fairness if she didn't want an abortion but saw no alternative offering to help her support the child is not the worst thing in the world. I hope the charity make good on their claim and don't just abandon the women after the baby is born. Time will tell I guess.

Anyone who can be swayed from having an abortion by some religious people talking (or even shouting) at them as they walk into the clinic probably shouldn't be having an abortion in the first place.

(to clarify I'm an atheist and pro-choice)

It's unlikely they're going to support this fetus from now until it starts college. The story is bogus if you ask me.

fatmammycat

alex73 wrote: »

If i wanted this thread to be dragged down and killed by trolls i would have posted in after hours.

Its a Christianity forum. Of course we Don't agree with on demand killing of Children.

so if you have nothing Christian to say open your own thread in a non christian forum

If you have a problem with my opinion that harrassing people on the street when they are in an emotional state is disgusting then take it up with a mod. My opinion is my opinion and far from trolling.

alex73

fatmammycat wrote: »

It's unlikely they're going to support this fetus from now until it starts college. The story is bogus if you ask me.

If the parents don't want to raise the Child, then 100% it will be supported by a family who does.

fatmammycat

alex73 wrote: »

If the parents don't want to raise the Child, then 100% it will be supported by a family who does.

Oh sure it will. There's not a single child in the world languishing unwanted in homes across the globe.

alex73

fatmammycat wrote: »

If you have a problem with my opinion that harrassing people on the street when they are in an emotional state is disgusting then take it up with a mod. My opinion is my opinion and far from trolling.

Abortion is murder. Its not open to Opinions.

alex73

fatmammycat wrote: »

Oh sure it will. There's not a single child in the world languishing unwanted in homes across the globe.

Killing them is not the answer

Zombrex

alex73 wrote: »

Abortion is murder. Its not open to Opinions.

There are plenty of threads on abortion and the morality of it. A more interesting question and one that doesn't come up as much is the question of whether anti-abortion campaigners have the right to be outside abortion clinics. Some see this as harrashment.

Personally, while I don't think they should harrassh anyone I also think they should be able to voice their opinion. And in this case is seems that the Catholics provided an option to the mother.

fatmammycat

Wicknight wrote: »

There are plenty of threads on abortion and the morality of it. A more interesting question and one that doesn't come up as much is the question of whether anti-abortion campaigners have the right to be outside abortion clinics. Some see this as harrashment.

Personally, while I don't think they should harrassh anyone I also think they should be able to voice their opinion. And in this case is seems that the Catholics provided an option to the mother.

Of course they should be allowed voice whatever concern they wish, but to actively harrass and intimidate people on the street is beyond foul and ought to be addressed.

fatmammycat

alex73 wrote: »

Abortion is murder. Its not open to Opinions.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, diall down the hyperbole.

Zombrex

fatmammycat wrote: »

Of course they should be allowed voice whatever concern they wish, but to actively harrass and intimidate people on the street is beyond foul and ought to be addressed.

That is the thing though, what is considered harass and intimidate.

Assuming what this woman said is true would you consider it harassment? I wouldn't.

fatmammycat

Wicknight wrote: »

That is the thing though, what is considered harass and intimidate.

Assuming what this woman said is true would you consider it harassment? I wouldn't.

Entering the clinic, telling the nurse she might be better off working elsewhere, asking people their personal medical information is pretty much intimidation in my book, and by the way, I don't actually believe this story for a single moment.

alex73

fatmammycat wrote: »

Entering the clinic, telling the nurse she might be better off working elsewhere, asking people their personal medical information is pretty much intimidation in my book, and by the way, I don't actually believe this story for a single moment.

Did you read the original thread... All they did was pray outside the clinic, and it did happen.

Zombrex

fatmammycat wrote: »

Entering the clinic, telling the nurse she might be better off working elsewhere, asking people their personal medical information is pretty much intimidation in my book, and by the way, I don't actually believe this story for a single moment.

It is only intimidation if you threaten someone.

For example if an atheist stood outside a church and said to Christians as they went into the church that their is a better way, would you consider that intimidation.

Do you consider the Anonymous protests against Scientology to be harassment or intimidation?

Or the protests against the RCC sexual abuse scandal and cover-up?

Just because we disagree with people doesn't mean they don't have the right to express their objections in a peaceful manner.

fatmammycat

Wicknight wrote: »

It is only intimidation if you threaten someone.

For example if an atheist stood outside a church and said to Christians as they went into the church that their is a better way, would you consider that intimidation.

Do you consider the Anonymous protests against Scientology to be harassment or intimidation?

Or the protests against the RCC sexual abuse scandal and cover-up?

Just because we disagree with people doesn't mean they don't have the right to express their objections in a peaceful manner.

Let's not have a whataboutery derail Wicknight, of course it is intimidation, that's why they are there in the first place. If these people really believed prayer worked they'd be praying from the comfort of their own homes or churches. Deep down they know prayer is pointless, so they use intimidation and scare mongering and appeals to emotion instead. If you've ever actually witnessed some of these people outside a clinic you'd see that. ( And I don't know if you have or not, but I have, and it's beyond vile, their lack of compassion for women is staggering)

fedor.2.

alex73 wrote: »

Abortion is murder. Its not open to Opinions.

Wow, how ignorant of you

Zombrex

fatmammycat wrote: »

Let's not have a whataboutery derail Wicknight, of course it is intimidation, that's why they are there in the first place. If these people really believed prayer worked they'd be praying from the comfort of their own homes or churches. Deep down they know prayer is pointless, so they use intimidation and scare mongering and appeals to emotion instead. If you've ever actually witnessed some of these people outside a clinic you'd see that. ( And I don't know if you have or not, but I have, and it's beyond vile, their lack of compassion for women is staggering)

I'm sorry but you can't just call something intimidation because you feel like it.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, and if we start saying what Christians do is intimidation then we shouldn't be surprised if we turn around and find that we have been stopped as well.

I want to be able to protest in front of a religious group and I want the right to talk to the people entering the building.

Keaton

Wicknight wrote: »

I'm sorry but you can't just call something intimidation because you feel like it.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, and if we start saying what Christians do is intimidation then we shouldn't be surprised if we turn around and find that we have been stopped as well.

I want to be able to protest in front of a religious group and I want the right to talk to the people entering the building.

People have freedom of religion, and freedom of worship.

If somebody was hassling me going into Sunday Mass, I wouldn't be happy about it, and I would make sure to call law enforcement after Mass in order to make sure it doesn't happen again.

On the other hand, vulnerable women entering abortion clinics need help, they need a friendly and supportive presence, and that is what the sidewalk counsellors and prayer groups aim to be. Against the lies and manipulation of those who make their living from the abortion industry (with no regard for the true good of mothers or babies), these vulnerable women are entitled to hear the truth, which is why these people perform such a vital and human service to truth by being present outside abortion clinics.

Zombrex

Keaton wrote: »

People have freedom of religion, and freedom of worship.

If somebody was hassling me going into Sunday Mass, I wouldn't be happy about it, and I would make sure to call law enforcement after Mass in order to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I'm not talking about hassling you, I'm talking about education. A lot of people, particularly in Ireland, are religious simply because they have never considered there is an alternative.

Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion, and people have a right to be educated.

Keaton wrote: »

On the other hand, vulnerable women entering abortion clinics need help, they need a friendly and supportive presence, and that is what the sidewalk counsellors and prayer groups aim to be. Against the lies and manipulation of those who make their living from the abortion industry (with no regard for the true good of mothers or babies), these vulnerable women are entitled to hear the truth, which is why these people perform such a vital and human service to truth by being present outside abortion clinics.

And I'm not objecting to that. Ultimately it should be up to the woman herself to make an educated assessment.

But everyone is entitled to education of the various sides of a debate, not just women seeking abortion.

If you say religious people should be shielded from information that might change their minds about religion then you are no better than those saying these anti-abortion campaigners should remain silent lest they convince a woman not to have an abortion.

People should not fear information. If a woman is so unsure about an abortion that she can reconsider based on meeting a Christian in the street then it is probably a bad idea to have the abortion anyway, it is not something to under go lightly.

Equally what does it say about a persons faith if a flyer outside a church makes them re-evaluate their religion? Would you even want such a person pretending to be Christian?

prinz

fatmammycat wrote: »

Disgusting, harrassing and bothering people on the street, reciting mumbo-jumbo and leaving roses around, I mean really pathetic.

As a matter of interest how would you describe the techniques used inside the abortion clinics? Using a blade to slice and dice? A suction machine to hoover? Poisoning the baby by injecting saline into the amniotic fluid and waiting for it to die? Opening the baby's skull, sucking out it's contents, crushing it by decompression before you take the baby's body with a head like a crushed coke can out? Killing it with an injection to the heart?

fatmammycat wrote: »

Of course they should be allowed voice whatever concern they wish, but to actively harrass and intimidate people on the street is beyond foul and ought to be addressed.

So they should be allowed voice their concern, just where you allow them to... and with whom you allow them to.

Pompey Magnus

Wicknight wrote: »

That is the thing though, what is considered harass and intimidate.

It is impossible to tell from the article whether there was intimidation or not. A large group waving graphic pictures of aborted fetuses in the face of emotionally vulnerable people who have made a very hard decision whilst threatening them with eternal damnation for the act they were planning to go through with would be harassment, however a couple of people coming up to them and having a polite chat about alternative options would not be.

Any anti-abortion protest I have seen tends to fall under the former category but thats not to say this was the case here. One biased article makes it impossible to know whether to condemn or congratulate the group for what they did.

Keylem

These pro-life catholic young people were praying outside an abortion clinic in Argentina and were attacked by pro-abortionists!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp0oMKGFTyk

Irishchick

Those young people would make anyone proud to be catholic. That young boy continued to pray while someone spit in his face! Disgusting.

They say the church is this and that yet they are the ones displaying such horrible behaviour.