Penalty Points Question

dceire

I received notification recently that I received a fine & 2 penalty points for speeding. I paid this early last week in the post office, all good and well.

I'm about to get insured on a motorbike and want to know what date goes down for the penalty points? Will I receive any further notification regarding my points or is it that it? The post office kept the payment form and I've no idea what date was on it.

puzzle factory

until till you get the letter in the post that you ve been awared 2penely points,your safe.takes bout 2months.

CiniO

puzzle factory wrote: »

until till you get the letter in the post that you ve been awared 2penely points,your safe.takes bout 2months.

Assume someone has already 10 points, and receives a fine with another 2.
Then it's obvious he's going over the limit, and get a driving ban.

But, you say it takes 2 months.
What if that person, during that 2 months, go abroad to other EU country, and exchanges Irish licence to licence from that country?
Then comes back to Ireland, with freshly gained EU licence.

What can Irish authority do?
They can't impound EU licence. They can't take his Irish licence, as he doesn't have one.

What's the story then?

I'm just asking in theory - I didn't know anyone who's done anything like that.

slimjimmc

Afaik,
firstly he has to be normally resident in that other EU country to do the exchange in the first place, going over there for a short visit won't cut it unless he has lived there for at least 6 months in the 12 months prior to the exchange,
and
secondly, the penalty points go on record against his Irish licence so that he gets hit whenever (if ever) he gets an Irish licence again. I'm not sure if they expire after the normal time or if they hibernate until activated
and
thirdly, a driving ban on Irish roads is enforceable regardless of the nationality of your driving licence. The ban only applies to Irish roads, it won't prevent him driving in other countries if he hasn't an Irish licence.

CiniO

slimjimmc wrote: »

Afaik,
firstly he has to be normally resident in that other EU country to do the exchange in the first place, going over there for a short visit won't cut it unless he has lived there for at least 6 months in the 12 months prior to the exchange,

That's the theory.
In practice, when I was changing my Polish licence to Irish licence, no one ever checked if I was really resident in Ireland.
I'm sure that might be the case in any other EU country.

and
the penalty points go on record against his Irish licence so that he gets hit whenever (if ever) he gets an Irish licence again. I'm not sure if they expire after the normal time or if they hibernate until activated

That's true.
And they don't expire.
So that's absolutely true, that whenever such person applies for Irish licence in the future, he it probably will be taken of him straight away.

and
thirdly, a driving ban is enforceable regardless of the nationality of your driving licence. The ban is to stop him driving on Irish roads, but that won't prevent him driving in other countries.

That's interesting.
If he kept his Irish licence, he would get a ban, and licence would be taken off him.
Then he wouldn't be able to drive neither in Ireland nor anywhere else, unless he passed a test and got licence somewhere else in the mean time.
But all EU countries, and most other always ask if someone isn't disqualified from driving in other country, and if so, his application for licence there will be refused.

The question here is, if that person will really get driving ban in Ireland after collecting 12 points on his Irish licence, considering at the moment when last point were added, that person didn't hold Irish licence any more...
That's the question.

corktina

the license is only a paper record of what is kept on official records...if he came back again wwith a foriegn license and wanted to swap to an Irish one, he'd get the points with it too.Savage yokes these computer things

Break all ties

But all EU countries, and most other always ask if someone isn't disqualified from driving in other country, and if so, his application for licence there will be refused.

The Bulgarians never asked me about bans/points etc when I exchanged my Irish licence. They all had a good chuckle at the Irish effort. They also did not ask how long I was resident either. They just ask for your identity card and you get your credit card licence back.

Our man in Havana

If the offender legged it abroad as soon as he became aware of the impending ban, there really is feck all the Irish could do about it. You are not banned until you are informed in writing. He could with all honesty tell a EU country he is not banned and get a licence.

The shrewd thing to do would be not pay the notice and then do a licence exchange, return home and then supply the foreign licence details. Ban circumvented.

forzacalcio

Where can I find out how many points I have? I checked before but cant remember who with

keithclancy

slimjimmc wrote: »

Afaik,
firstly he has to be normally resident in that other EU country to do the exchange in the first place, going over there for a short visit won't cut it unless he has lived there for at least 6 months in the 12 months prior to the exchange,
and
secondly, the penalty points go on record against his Irish licence so that he gets hit whenever (if ever) he gets an Irish licence again. I'm not sure if they expire after the normal time or if they hibernate until activated
and
thirdly, a driving ban on Irish roads is enforceable regardless of the nationality of your driving licence. The ban only applies to Irish roads, it won't prevent him driving in other countries if he hasn't an Irish licence.

When you get to Holland anyway, as long as your registered with the City Hall you can exchange it straight away, takes around 2 weeks.

Although to register you need a BSN Number and for that you need a job and a Bank account.