NCCA Job Vacancy - I'm gobsmacked

The Express

The National Council for Curriculum and Assessment - a state body - is currently advertising vacancies for the post of Education Officer.

Starting salary of €53k and 32 days annual leave, pro rata, for the duration of the post. The vacancy is advertised on their website.

Maybe I missed something or am simply halucinating at the payscales shown in section 5. WTF?

The education budget is in crisis and this is happening. Are they in a parallel universe?

nesf

What are the requirements/responsibilities of the role? A title doesn't tell us much.

mikemac

Maybe give us a link to this outrageous section 5?

Scofflaw

Link: http://www.ncca.ie/en/Vacancies/Info_sheet_Jobs_Aug_2011_English.pdf

Those are policy/development roles.

cordially,
Scofflaw

zootroid

If the post requires a particular set of skills / experience that isn't widely available, I wouldn't have a problem with the salary. It's only fair that jobs like that pay higher, irregardless of whether the post is in the private sector or the public sector.

The annual leave does seem high though. Personally, I don't think annual leave should ever rise above 30 days as an absolute maximum.

HellFireClub

Scofflaw wrote: »

Link: http://www.ncca.ie/en/Vacancies/Info_sheet_Jobs_Aug_2011_English.pdf

Those are policy/development roles.

cordially,
Scofflaw

That's the problem with this country, too much "policy development" and waffling, while nobody wants to actually work.

Seriously, we need someone to come into this country and take a chainsaw to this kind of nonsense.

doc_17

Education research and policy development is an ongoing process that requires proper staffing. Maybe someone has retired, maybe noone is currently doing those jobs, maybe we want to invest in education at primary level, maybe we are trying to understand which things we are not doing well at the minute, why that is and what we can do about it.

As for the salary, well it is too high and that's a legitmate point. But trying to improve our education system is not a valid reason to oppose the filling of these posts. The moratorium can be lifted at the Ministers discreation and if he deems this a waste them it won't be filled.

#15

HellFireClub wrote:

That's the problem with this country, too much "policy development" and waffling, while nobody wants to actually work.

Yeah, curriculum reform and implementation is a doddle. No work involved at all. :rolleyes:

thebman

Don't know seems reasonable enough for a job where no matter what happens, only a handful will be happy with the decisions made.

#15

#15 wrote: »

Yeah, curriculum reform and implementation is a doddle. No work involved at all. :rolleyes:

If somebody needs 32 days rest to recover from the "hard" curriculum reform and implementation work, then maybe they aren't suitable for the job?

Godge

HellFireClub wrote: »

That's the problem with this country, too much "policy development" and waffling, while nobody wants to actually work.

Seriously, we need someone to come into this country and take a chainsaw to this kind of nonsense.

You know nothing about the job so you are not in a position to comment

A key point is the reference to starting pay. It suggests that they expect applications from elsewhere in the education system for this job.

Looking at the role and the experience required (it is clearly a very specialised post), it would seem to me that the ideal candidate is someone highly qualified and experienced who already works in the education sector (teaching or maybe lecturing in a teacher training college) and has expanded beyond their current role. dig out the salaries for teachers and lecturers and you will see that they need to offer these kinds of salaries to attract those people.

#15

salonfire wrote: »

If somebody needs 32 days rest to recover from the "hard" curriculum reform and implementation work, then maybe they aren't suitable for the job?

Why did you quote my post when your response did not address my point?

Dannyboy83

It only amounts to about 36k after tax anyway.
I'm guessing that role involves a lot of stress and responsibility.
I wouldn't take it.

Is it worth it? For me, no.

Sleepy

Given that the most suitable people for such a position would presumably be experienced teachers, that's a considerable drop in annual leave for them.

km79

The Express wrote: »

The National Council for Curriculum and Assessment - a state body - is currently advertising vacancies for the post of Education Officer.

Starting salary of €53k and 32 days annual leave, pro rata, for the duration of the post. The vacancy is advertised on their website.

Maybe I missed something or am simply halucinating at the payscales shown in section 5. WTF?

The education budget is in crisis and this is happening. Are they in a parallel universe?

Why not apply for it so ?

Nolanger

km79 wrote: »

Why not apply for it so ?

Because they'll give the job to a woman.

waster81

Sleepy wrote: »

Given that the most suitable people for such a position would presumably be experienced teachers, that's a considerable drop in annual leave for them.

Sure all teachers are just wasters anyways, lazy and incompetent

It needs a private sector worker to take this job on,

ardmacha

This wonder job pays about two-thirds of the average salary in the ESB.

RichardAnd

I don't really see the issue here. There is a job that needs to be filled and it offers a decent wage to the person who will eventually get it, that's fair really.

Of course, I'm always dubious of public service positions as I've seen more than one being offered to family members of people already working within the organisation. I know that's not always the case but if I applied for a job like that without any connection to the organisation in question, I wouldn't be getting my hopes up.

vamos!

Could the job be connected to the proposed overhaul of the J Cert? If a very senior lecturer or teacher wants this job it could be a drop in pay. Surely this pay is comparable to a senior project leader in the private sector?

Godge

vamos! wrote: »

Could the job be connected to the proposed overhaul of the J Cert? If a very senior lecturer or teacher wants this job it could be a drop in pay. Surely this pay is comparable to a senior project leader in the private sector?

Good point, but it is easier just to start a rant about over-paid public servants.

Many public servants are still overpaid but if you want to attract an experienced public servant to another job, you have to pay a premium. In this case, the problem may not lie with the pay of this job but with the pay of teachers and lecturers as because they may be overpaid, this job has to offer a premium on that to attract a suitable candidate.

SBWife

vamos! wrote: »

Could the job be connected to the proposed overhaul of the J Cert? If a very senior lecturer or teacher wants this job it could be a drop in pay. Surely this pay is comparable to a senior project leader in the private sector?

Two of the roles are in relation to the Primary School curriculum and two the Junior Cycle with one of the Junior Cycle roles having a focus on special ed.