People who can be hypnotised.

Forest Master

This always intrigued me. I could never be hypnotised - people have tried at various events, and I found it laughable that it would work on anyone. Not even a twinge. It just seems so stupid. I'd even go so far as to say I don't think it can be done, but so many people insist it can. I reckon they're mostly actors, but people I know keep insisting it's real.

I guess I'm wondering what type of person could be hypnotised? IMO, it would take someone with a very weak personality to be susceptible to this ridiculous charade. The same type of person who goes on holidays to the US for a week & comes back with an accent & can't stop saying 'dollar' for a few weeks afterwards.

Anyway - what are people's opinions on it? I think that anyone who can be hypnotised is stupid & weak.

Discuss!

Lady Chuckles

... Careful now

orourkeda

dont know dont care

aisog

No come on, say what you really think!

Son Of A Vidic

I was going to contribute but then you went and fúcked up by ending with.....

Forest Master wrote: »

Discuss!

So no!

orourkeda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_JCh824oQc

leggo

I know a decent amount about this and the ability to hypnotise someone is almost all down to whether they want to be hypnotised or not. OP you yourself call it a 'ridiculous charade' so that would explain right there why it doesn't work on you.

Now it's not as simple as that, obviously, it then breaks down into how easily do they respond to suggestibility, whether the hypnotist is skilled enough to tap into that state etc. The onus is essentially all on the person being hypnotised (unless the hypnotist himself is muck).

It's a catch-22 scenario: no, it's not some big elaborate magic trick being performed by a mystical figure who has studied for 72 moons at the peak of Mount Saigon, but yes it is an effective technique in many other ways.

Forest Master

orourkeda wrote: »

dont know dont care

Then why reply? Twice...?

Diddler1977

Forest Master wrote: »

Anyway - what are people's opinions on it? I think that anyone who can be hypnotised is stupid & weak.

Discuss!

Seemingly more intelligent people are easier to hypnotise
http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/how-does-hypnosis-work-faq.htm

flutterflye

My hypothesis is that sheeple are easier hypnotised than more independent thinkers.

Forest Master

Diddler1977 wrote: »

"And contrary to common perception, the “best subjects” are those who are highly independent, intelligent and creative, not those who are malleable and submissive."

Bullsh*t. I've only ever seen morons be hypnotised.

Cee-Jay-Cee

My sister who is very strong willed, independent and not at all easy to manipulate was hynotised by Paul Golden years ago and made act out her child hood fantasies on stage at the Trinity Ball. She was mortified afterwards at what she done and always believed she couldnt be hynotised.

She also suffered from severe headaches for weeks afterwards...dunno if it was related but she's convinced they were brought on as a result of the hynotism.

Chips Ahoy

i had a uncle who use to hypnotise me and who NEVER TOUCHED ME INAPPROPRIATELY!!!!!!

leggo

Forest Master wrote: »

Bullsh*t. I've only ever seen morons be hypnotised.

It depends. Some will buy into the whole smoke and illusions theory with these techniques because it suits their life beliefs to do so. The same kind of people who believe in mediums because they desperately want to speak to deceased friends or family again. Are they morons or just people who allow themselves to be conned because of sad circumstances? I know plenty of intelligent people who will swear blind to me that someone they met was psychic (while I bite my tongue).

Then there are some who are so determined not to believe it that they make the person's job easier. I do cold-reading, just for fun, and you can tell something about an uneducated skeptic almost as easily as you can a believer who will later insist you're psychic, when I tell them I'm really not. The uneducated skeptic will be trying so hard to conceal information from you that they'll have it written all over their face. Personally, I love it when someone with your attitude ("only morons will fall for this...") comes my way. Their attitude towards me alone gives me ample material to read and build on. So...because I can read you and convince you I'm a psychic, or at least tell you stuff I couldn't possibly know...would that make you moronic?

But hypnosis is a different beast because you're looking to induce a state and a set of circumstances that the person receiving it has to comply with. Although I couldn't do it myself, I know how it's done, and yet could probably still be hypnotised. Not because I'm an idiot...I repeat: I know exactly how he's doing what he's doing...but because I'm happy to comply with the procedure knowing it can be effective. That's it.

dirtypanties

I would love to go for hypnosis therapy-It's supposed to be really good for helping people overcome painful issues from their past-Would love to hear from anyone who has been.

Has anyone had hypnosis to help them loser weight/quit smoking etc?
Did it work?

Anyone find out who they were in a past life?!Lol:D

Forest Master

CJC999 wrote: »

My sister who is very strong willed, independent and not at all easy to manipulate was hynotised by Paul Golden years ago and made act out her child hood fantasies on stage at the Trinity Ball. She was mortified afterwards at what she done and always believed she couldnt be hynotised.

She was 100% manipulated. He took over her mind by just talking to her, FFS - how is that "not at all easy to manipulate"?

flutterflye

I've really tried to be hypnotised a few times before.
They said it would help, so I tried to follow the instructions given to me.
I can't relax properly, nor can I mentally visualise things, so I assumed that these reasons led the hypnosis to be unsuccessful.
I don't know though.

bellylint

Forest Master wrote: »

Bullsh*t. I've only ever seen morons be hypnotised.

My sister has been hypnotised. She has a Phd in Bio-informatics. Now I dont know if that constitutes a moron to you, but good for you if it does :rolleyes:

Standard Toaster

If you can sleep and dream, if you have any imagination whatsoever, and have not suffered any brain damage ... you can be hypnotized.

Diddler1977

Forest Master wrote: »

Bullsh*t. I've only ever seen morons be hypnotised.

How did you deduce they were morons?

Forest Master

bellylint wrote: »

My sister has been hypnotised. She has a Phd in Bio-informatics. Now I dont know if that constitutes a moron to you, but good for you if it does :rolleyes:

You need to learn the difference between intelligence & academic achievements. There's a huge difference. And a phd still doesn't mean she can't be manipulated.

Diddler1977

Forest Master wrote: »

You need to learn the difference between intelligence & academic achievements.

Educate us.

What's the difference?

Forest Master

Diddler1977 wrote: »

How did you deduce they were morons?

Because some stranger told them to go into a trance & do all this dumb stuff & embarrass themselves - and they did - and they couldn't even stop it. Their minds were too weak.

BrokenArrows

Chips Ahoy wrote: »

i had a uncle who use to hypnotise me and who NEVER TOUCHED ME INAPPROPRIATELY!!!!!!

Sounds like a programmed response!!!

Forest Master

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Educate us.

What's the difference?

Educate yourself, FFS.

http://www.fathom.com/feature/122136/

Mickeroo

It's kind of like the Jedi mind trick, only works on people who are easily manipulated/don't have the will power to resist. I've never tried so not entirely sure if I'm either of those things

My younger brother was at a show but the guy couldn't hypnotise him so just sent him back into the crowd and did someone else.
It works but it's just a gimmick, not a reliable form of thereapy or anything, it's pretty easy for the hypnotist to plant ideas in people heads so they can get them to "remember" all sorts of stuff.

Dionysus

orourkeda wrote: »

dont know dont care

:rolleyes: Why bother posting in thread after thread with the same ignorant type of comments then? (and often the same YouTube clips)

It's long past boring.

spankadamonkee

Forest Master wrote: »

This always intrigued me. I could never be hypnotised - people have tried at various events, and I found it laughable that it would work on anyone. Not even a twinge. It just seems so stupid. I'd even go so far as to say I don't think it can be done, but so many people insist it can. I reckon they're mostly actors, but people I know keep insisting it's real.

I guess I'm wondering what type of person could be hypnotised? IMO, it would take someone with a very weak personality to be susceptible to this ridiculous charade. The same type of person who goes on holidays to the US for a week & comes back with an accent & can't stop saying 'dollar' for a few weeks afterwards.

Anyway - what are people's opinions on it? I think that anyone who can be hypnotised is stupid & weak.

Discuss!

Never read a more bulls**t thread. What rubbish.

Forest Master

spankadamonkee wrote: »

Never read a more bulls**t thread. What rubbish.

Amazing rebuttal there - complete with a logical counter-arguments and backed up with examples & evidence - well done!

You're just freaked because you've been hypnotised - and nobody likes to admit they have a weak mind.

mikom

A few posts in this thread could do with being hypnotised into being less of a prick.
3, 2, 1, go sit on a broom.

Panrich

Diddler1977 wrote: »

Seemingly more intelligent people are easier to hypnotise
http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/how-does-hypnosis-work-faq.htm

Has the author of that article ever wondered how alarm clocks work?

" In addition, a hypnotized person can hear; the sleeping person cannot. "

Malari

Forest Master wrote: »

Educate yourself, FFS.

http://www.fathom.com/feature/122136/

There are different types of intelligence. Academic is one type. If someone has a PhD in Bio-informatics we can safely assume they are intelligent. If someone is no good academically they can still be incredibly intelligent in another way.

There seems to be a scale of how suggestible to hypnosis a person is, which is more correlated with how much you daydream and "zone out". The more you think you can be hypnotised the more readily you will be. Anyway, are you referring to stage hypnosis only? As far as I'm concerned you would need to be a moron to derive entertainment from this, in any case, so maybe this is where you are forming your views.

Forest Master

Malari wrote: »

Forest Master wrote: »

Educate yourself, FFS.

http://www.fathom.com/feature/122136/

There are different types of intelligence. Academic is one type. If someone has a PhD in Bio-informatics we can safely assume they are intelligent. If someone is no good academically they can still be incredibly intelligent in another way

Eh, that was MY point. I was telling a poster there are different types of intelligence, and that his sisters Phd doesn't automatically give her "practical" intelligence - it's academic only. So she can still have a weak mind & be easily manipulated - aka Hypnotised. Her Phd is irrelevant.

Malari

Forest Master wrote: »

Eh, that was MY point. I was telling a poster there are different types of intelligence, and that his sisters Phd doesn't automatically give her "practical" intelligence - it's academic only. So she can still have a weak mind & be easily manipulated - aka Hypnotised. Her Phd is irrelevant.

I know I was agreeing with you about the different intelligences, but not that you can call someone who is clearly intelligent a moron.

And is it the crazy stage manipulation you think makes someone weak? Or the fact that they can be hypnotised to say, remember certain details of an event?

Frank Black

It's not true to say that all people who can be hypnotised are weak-willed morons.
Some of them are attention seeking whores as well.

Forest Master

Malari wrote: »

Forest Master wrote: »

Eh, that was MY point. I was telling a poster there are different types of intelligence, and that his sisters Phd doesn't automatically give her "practical" intelligence - it's academic only. So she can still have a weak mind & be easily manipulated - aka Hypnotised. Her Phd is irrelevant.

I know I was agreeing with you about the different intelligences, but not that you can call someone who is clearly intelligent a moron.

And is it the crazy stage manipulation you think makes someone weak? Or the fact that they can be hypnotised to say, remember certain details of an event?

The crazy stage stuff makes them weak, IMO. Anyone susceptible to that is dim. They wake up all confused, etc - idiots.

The "remembering stuff" is kinda different - it's hard to ascertain whether people are actually hypnotised for that, or just relaxed & trying to think back.

Mickeroo

black francis wrote: »

It's not true to say that all people who can be hypnotised are weak-willed morons.
Some of them are attention seeking whores as well.

Did a hypnotist steal your girlfriend? :pac:

Voodu Child

Stage hyptotists filter out people who are more likely suggestible by giving the whole audience tasks to perform and watching their behaviour.

Standman

If you've ever got a craving for an icecream cone after you've just seem someone else eating one then you are susceptible in some way to hypnotism. It's not some mystical thing that controls your mind, it's akin to a placebo affect. Everyone is prone to this to some extent.

flutterflye

Standman wrote: »

If you've ever got a craving for an icecream cone after you've just seem someone else eating one then you are susceptible in some way to hypnotism. It's not some mystical thing that controls your mind, it's akin to a placebo affect. Everyone is prone to this to some extent.

Of course we are all susceptible to our socio-economics and everything that that embodies, as none of us have true original and free thought.
But there is a healthy and natural level of this, and then there are those who are incredulously suggestible.

Forest Master

Standman wrote: »

If you've ever got a craving for an icecream cone after you've just seem someone else eating one then you are susceptible in some way to hypnotism.

I know what you're getting at, but I don't think it's the same at all. That's just a simple bit of suggestion or a reminder about something you like.

Hypnotism makes you lose control of what you do. You're in a so-called 'trance' and obeying someone's orders. Any time I've seen it done, I just couldn't believe they weren't either a) wide awake & playing along, or b) actors. I refused to believe anyone was actually that stupid to allow that to happen. I actually gave them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out I was wrong - lots of people are weak-minded enough to allow it to happen.

Turpentine

Forest Master wrote: »

This always intrigued me. I could never be hypnotised - people have tried at various events, and I found it laughable that it would work on anyone. Not even a twinge. It just seems so stupid. I'd even go so far as to say I don't think it can be done, but so many people insist it can. I reckon they're mostly actors, but people I know keep insisting it's real.

I guess I'm wondering what type of person could be hypnotised? IMO, it would take someone with a very weak personality to be susceptible to this ridiculous charade. The same type of person who goes on holidays to the US for a week & comes back with an accent & can't stop saying 'dollar' for a few weeks afterwards.

Anyway - what are people's opinions on it? I think that anyone who can be hypnotised is stupid & weak.

Discuss!

If you've ever gone into "a stare" (if you know what I mean) or daydreamed you've gone into a trance state which is somewhat similar to self hypnosis.

"Instant hypnosis" is done by skilled practitioners like Derren Brown by interrupting the train of thought and getting in suggestions before your brain clicks back into place i.e by disrupting something as mundane as a handshake which you do automatically without thinking.

Voodu Child wrote: »

Stage hyptotists filter out people who are more likely suggestible by giving the whole audience tasks to perform and watching their behaviour.

They also tend to filter it down to people who tend to be more naturally extrovert as well as suggestible so they know they can get an entertaining show.

People on stage can get caught up in the atmosphere of the show along with audience response which also lends to their "going along with" the hypnotic suggestions.

Malari

Forest Master wrote: »

I know what you're getting at, but I don't think it's the same at all. That's just a simple bit of suggestion or a reminder about something you like.

Hypnotism makes you lose control of what you do. You're in a so-called 'trance' and obeying someone's orders. Any time I've seen it done, I just couldn't believe they weren't either a) wide awake & playing along, or b) actors. I refused to believe anyone was actually that stupid to allow that to happen. I actually gave them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out I was wrong - lots of people are weak-minded enough to allow it to happen.

I think it's more subtle than being under someone else's control or not. From what I've read (and I've never been hypnotised or to one of those ridiculous shows) it is suggestion, but you have to be open to it. Don't tell me that someone who goes along and allows themselves to be brought up on stage, knowing full well what that entails, is not in some way "playing along" in that they are willing to go along with whatever happens.

flutterflye

Turpentine wrote: »

If you've ever gone into "a stare" (if you know what I mean) or daydreamed you've gone into a trance state which is somewhat similar to self hypnosis.

No, that's just dissociation.

Turpentine

flutterflye wrote: »

No, that's just dissociation.

And?

According to Pierre Janet hypnosis was an example of dissociation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Janet

flutterflye

Turpentine wrote: »

And?

According to Pierre Janet hypnosis was an example of dissociation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Janet

Makes sense I guess.

I can self dissociate at will, but I cannot be hypnotized - I find that odd.
If they were the same thing, surely hypnosis, nlp, and relaxation techniques etc... would work on me.

nice_very

+1 for the poster that mentioned Derren Brown, he explains a lot of his techniques as well and is really interesting to watch.

As another poster mentioned psychics, Derren also does a brilliant expose on these cold reading fakers.

On topic - I would have said it is a 2 way process, the ability of the hypnotist and the willingness (sub consciously) of the subject to be manipulated. A lot of the same techniques are used by con-men ie: being able to read their subject, distract etc

LaughOrDie

I don't agree with you OP, but I do understand where you're coming from and how you came to that conclusion.

I think you have a few misconceptions about how hypnosis actually works.

When under hypnosis you are not under someones's control. You have chosen to comply with the suggestion given, and that is what the stage hypnotist relies on to get the desired effects. A hypnotist can NOT make you do anything you are not willing to do.

It doesn't seem that intelligence really has too much to do with if someone can be hypnotised or not.

Remember there is so much more to hypnosis than what you see on stage. Don't let parlour tricks and tacky shows influence your opinion on what hypnosis actually is.

leggo

Forest Master wrote: »

Hypnotism makes you lose control of what you do. You're in a so-called 'trance' and obeying someone's orders. Any time I've seen it done, I just couldn't believe they weren't either a) wide awake & playing along, or b) actors. I refused to believe anyone was actually that stupid to allow that to happen. I actually gave them the benefit of the doubt. Turns out I was wrong - lots of people are weak-minded enough to allow it to happen.

There's a difference between losing control and willingly giving away control, though.

In reality, what was the worst thing you've seen any of these people do? Oh no...she made orgasm sounds! He thought there was a dog barking and was trained to be scared of dogs! The mortification of it all!

It's just a bit of a laugh and, without these people putting themselves forward as guinea pigs, the people in the audience wouldn't have had that laugh. No harm done...why the problem??

Mapck

My therapist refuses to teach me hypnotism, he is convinced that I will only "use it for evil".