Too many nurses and teachers

Donahg

There are far to many people going to college to do primary school teaching and nursing, We already have far to many nurses in this country ( Twice more per capta than france) and we already have 1500 primary school teachers on the dole, We dont need anymore for a few years but i guess 17-19 year olds are too stupid to understand that.

orourkeda

There arent enough.

The govt arent hiring

Tubsandtiles

Rose of Tralee ?

Local-womanizer

Donahg wrote: »

There are far to many people going to college to do primary school teaching and nursing, We already have far to many nurses in this country ( Twice more per capta than france) and we already have 1500 primary school teachers on the dole, We dont need anymore for a few years but i guess 17-19 year olds are too stupid to understand that.

We have too many people trying to dictate other people's lives in this country imo.

If people want to do nursing or teacher fair play to them.

Anyway,how many people from Other professions are on the dole? The country is fecked not because of "stupid" young people wanting to fullfil their career objectives.

Too many politicians I say...

Bipolar Joe

They should hire people to work for the dole office. Those lines take fucking forever, it would solve multiple problems at once.

orourkeda

Tubsandtiles wrote: »

Rose of Tralee ?

I still have a horn for Imelda May

Smur

We NEED all those nurses and teachers. There's just not enough money to pay them unfortunately

Larianne

Donahg wrote: »

There are far to many people going to college to do primary school teaching and nursing, We already have far to many nurses in this country ( Twice more per capta than france) and we already have 1500 primary school teachers on the dole, We dont need anymore for a few years but i guess 17-19 year olds are too stupid to understand that.

I kinda get what you're saying. Going into courses where there are no jobs at the end.

The country is basically training some people for export. I'm studying a health science course and the 4th years were interviewed for jobs by the Singapore Ministry of Health before they even graduated! I've another two years to go but it's looking likely I'll be heading off too to find employment.

We do need teachers and nurses and other health professionals but there is an embargo. :cool:

kowloon

I might be getting this a bit wrong, but if there's a blanket hiring embargo, does that not mean the people in the most demanded positions skip off for better money somewhere else while the people with jobs we're actually trying to cut back on hold onto their jobs for dear life?

Son Of A Vidic

Donahg wrote: »

We already have far to many nurses in this country ( Twice more per capta than france)..

If you had any idea of the contrast in facilities, services and the infrastructural/organisational differences between the Irish and French Health Service? You would not have made those embarrassing comments.

Naomi00

Donahg wrote: »

There are far to many people going to college to do primary school teaching and nursing, We already have far to many nurses in this country ( Twice more per capta than france) and we already have 1500 primary school teachers on the dole, We dont need anymore for a few years but i guess 17-19 year olds are too stupid to understand that.

The career guidance counsellors tell everyone they have to do jobs like that. They have absolutely no imagination, basically tell students to do tech/science courses, or obvious ones such as teaching and nursing. They don't advise students to do a course they would be actually interested in, just whatever they think is ~good for the country blah blah.
So I don't think 17-19 year olds are stupid about things like this, they are constantly being told by teachers, their parents, etc to do courses like these.

parker kent

The amount of unemployed teachers, nurses etc is highly skewed due to the recruitment ban. The places are there for new teachers due to rising populations and older teachers retiring, just that currently new teachers, nurses etc cannot be hired. It's not as simplistic as some rabble rousers may think.

later12

Local-womanizer wrote: »

If people want to do nursing or teacher fair play to them.

If they want to study in these areas, yes, good for them. But I'd suggest if they want taxpayers to (largely) pay for their education and then pay for their subsequent employment, that they ought to reconsider their options.

parker kent

later10 wrote: »

If they want to study in these areas, yes, good for them. But I'd suggest if they want taxpayers to (largely) pay for their education and then pay for their subsequent employment, that they ought to reconsider their options.

The idea of forcing people to choose a career based on what happens to be easier to find employment in at that moment in time is nonsense.

later12

parker kent wrote: »

The idea of forcing people to choose a career based on what happens to be easier to find employment in at that moment in time is nonsense.

Nobody's 'forcing' anybody to do anything.

I'm saying they should be free to study what they wish to study, depending on their academic grades.
But they should be mindful, for their own sakes, of likely employment opportunities both now and into the foreseeable future, especially so when pursuing vocational courses like teaching and nursing.

mackg

Naomi00 wrote: »

The career guidance counsellors tell everyone they have to do jobs like that. They have absolutely no imagination, basically tell students to do tech/science courses, or obvious ones such as teaching and nursing. They don't advise students to do a course they would be actually interested in, just whatever they think is ~good for the country blah blah.
So I don't think 17-19 year olds are stupid about things like this, they are constantly being told by teachers, their parents, etc to do courses like these.

Do people actually listen to their career guidance teacher? I didn't and I doubt many other people did. People are going to do what they want to do.

ferretone

Gardai can retire at 50. And then do another job. So let the buggers earn by doing the other job, and stop claiming money from us at the same time. Mostly they were never interested in chasing crimes done on us small guys in the first place anyway, so why should we be interested in paying their early pensions now?

Frank Black

I would imagine many of them are planning to go into the porn industry.

MugMugs

I love playing Teachers and Nurses


"You've been a bad bad boy MugMugs. GO to the nurse "

Bom chica Wa Wa, Bom chic a waaaaaa

biko

Donahg wrote: »

There are far to many people going to college to do primary school teaching and nursing, We already have far to many nurses in this country

What sources are you basing your assumptions on? A gut feeling or scientific data?

bamboozle

Smur wrote: »

We NEED all those nurses and teachers. There's just not enough money to pay them unfortunately

well their salaries are considerably higher than their EU counterparts....something has to give..job numbers or salaries coming down to normal levels per their peers across the EU. One thing that needs to change is retired teachers hogging all the substitute work in the schools where they used work and newly qualified teachers not getting a fair chance at getting this sub/relief work.

*this comment does not question the quality of work done by teachers or nurses so please dont respond saying teachers and nurses work real hard.

looksee

This all sounds very familiar.

They're not going to be qualified until years from now.

The state of the country/jobs market could (in fact probably will) be completely different by the time they're looking for professional work. Anyway, no course is sure to get you a job these days. Your best bet is to just choose a course you think you'll enjoy and go for it.

Emiko

Perhaps some of the nurses could get jobs in the Philippines.

themadchef

People should follow their passion. If that passion is teaching then off to fúck with them to college to that.

Never tell anyone to be something they dont want to be or do something they dont want to do.

Careers are not just for $$$, they make you, shape you, determine alot of roads you walk down. So screw following the "where will the jobs be" egits and follow your dreams.

LeeHoffmann

well their salaries are considerably higher than their EU counterparts....something has to give..job numbers or salaries coming down to normal levels per their peers across the EU. One thing that needs to change is retired teachers hogging all the substitute work in the schools where they used work and newly qualified teachers not getting a fair chance at getting this sub/relief work.

With regards to teachers, both salaries (for the newly-qualified) and job numbers are falling! And the comment about their 'high' salaries is answered by the higher cost of living here than the rest of Europe. I'm an NQT (newly-qualified teacher) looking for work. I worked nearly full-time as a receptionist to put myself through college and paid my own way entirely. Whenever I get a job, I'll earn less as a teacher than I currently do as a receptionist. I echo other posters here who said that nurses and teachers are needed, but the government just doesn't have the money to pay them

Let people do what career they want. We shouldn't be dictating what careers they should or shouldn't have depending on country's needs :rolleyes:

wild_cat

mackg wrote: »

Do people actually listen to their career guidance teacher? I didn't and I doubt many other people did. People are going to do what they want to do.

You'd be surprised.

It's a big issue in girls schools that teaching and nursing are given first preference by the guidance counsellors. I've heard horror stories of people being told wrong information about what courses contain if they are off the beaten track etc.

Like a girl wanting to do psychology who got the points and everything later to find out contrary to her guidance councillors advice that she would have to do statistics. The same with maths and engineering.

I wanted to do Art. All she kept saying to me was "what will you do when you graduate". No information on fine art courses etc. Just what will you do when you graduate. I ended up dropping out and perusing an avenue where I was wrongly informed about the maths content as well.

Gah. I hate the education system here. Thank god I'm soon to be self employed, hopefully a day will come where I can employ someone else and I'm going to make sure to employee people who have excellent work references but have managed to make a balls of their education like myself.

mackg

wild_cat wrote: »

You'd be surprised.

It's a big issue in girls schools that teaching and nursing are given first preference by the guidance counsellors. I've heard horror stories of people being told wrong information about what courses contain if they are off the beaten track etc.

Like a girl wanting to do psychology who got the points and everything later to find out contrary to her guidance councillors advice that she would have to do statistics. The same with maths and engineering.

I wanted to do Art. All she kept saying to me was "what will you do when you graduate". No information on fine art courses etc. Just what will you do when you graduate. I ended up dropping out and perusing an avenue where I was wrongly informed about the maths content as well.

Gah. I hate the education system here. Thank god I'm soon to be self employed, hopefully a day will come where I can employ someone else and I'm going to make sure to employee people who have excellent work references but have managed to make a balls of their education like myself.

The guidance councillor thought psychology didn't involve statistics:eek: My sister is doing a phd in child psych at the moment and even though i would have done some at 3rd level the stats involved in that make me want to vomit reading them.

As far as the guidance on courses goes do your own research about course content, luckily for me I was skeptical enough of most authority figures at that age to just assume they were crap unless they proved otherwise so I spent some time reading up the courses that interested me. As for that guidance councillor goes if she didn't know what she was talking about she should have said so and let the girl work it out for herself.

wild_cat

mackg wrote: »

The guidance councillor thought psychology didn't involve statistics:eek: My sister is doing a phd in child psych at the moment and even though i would have done some at 3rd level the stats involved in that make me want to vomit reading them.

As far as the guidance on courses goes do your own research about course content, luckily for me I was skeptical enough of most authority figures at that age to just assume they were crap unless they proved otherwise so I spent some time reading up the courses that interested me. As for that guidance councillor goes if she didn't know what she was talking about she should have said so and let the girl work it out for herself.

Yup. I don't know if the girl had just said that in order as a get out of jail free card as she repeatedly failed statistics though but I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen.

I suppose your right about the self research. Especially when most people have internet access of some kind.

Lord TSC

bamboozle wrote: »

well their salaries are considerably higher than their EU counterparts....

I'm not trying to send this down another path, but isn't the cost of living in Ireland way higher as well?

I was talking to some Brits online yesterday who nearly had a heart attack when I told them a recent dentist check up set me back 75€, as they said in England, it would cost about £20.

People seem to go on about higher wages, higher doles, etc than in other countries but don't seem to back that up with a comparison to how Ireland is in terms of cost of living as well. There's no point forcing wage cuts if then you're not getting other things cut as well to balance it out...

LovelyFreak

with regards to the guidance Councillor debate, my one was absolutely terrible, as i remember her telling the majority of us 'to seriously consider air hostessing in the long term' (not that there's anything wrong with that, but she didn't even encourage us to reach higher!). I never once had nursing suggested to me, and was doing a completely different college course before i decided to go on to nursing.
I chose it not because i was a 'stupid 17-19 year old'. I was 20 and I knew there were opportunities to travel and work abroad with nursing that would take me out of Ireland, where people don't appreciate how hard good nurses work until they go to hospital. And there is A HUGE under-staffing problem in the hospitals here, us student nurses work for free (slave labour) and are being used to bulk out the staff force, even though we aren't qualified yet. but sure why wouldn't they when we work +40 hours a week for nothing...

yogi beer

later10 wrote: »

If they want to study in these areas, yes, good for them. But I'd suggest if they want taxpayers to (largely) pay for their education and then pay for their subsequent employment, that they ought to reconsider their options.

What a load of sh*te!
What person going to college thinks to themselves "hmm, I want to do this course, but what would the taxpayers think of it?"