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Councils pay for disabled to visit prostitutes and lap-dancing clubs

  • 23-08-2011 3:56pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭


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    A 'man of 21 with learning disabilities has been granted taxpayers' money to fly to Amsterdam and have sex with a prostitute.

    His social worker says sex is a 'human right' for the unnamed individual - described as a frustrated virgin.

    His trip to a brothel in the Dutch capital's red light district next month is being funded through a £520million scheme introduced by the last government to empower those with disabilities.

    They are given a personal budget and can choose what services this is spent on.

    The man's social worker, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said his client was an 'angry, frustrated and anxious young man' who had a need for sex.

    'He's planning to do more than just have his end away - he's having a holiday,' he said.

    'He has been to two sexual health and sexual awareness courses and basically wants to try it.

    'The girls in Amsterdam are far more protected than those on UK streets. Let him have some fun - I'd want to.

    'Wouldn't you prefer that we can control this, guide him, educate him, support him to understand the process and ultimately end up satisfying his needs in a secure, licensed place where his happiness and growth as a person is the most important thing?

    'Refusing to offer him this service would be a violation of his human rights.'

    Paying for sex is not illegal but soliciting sexual services, kerb crawling and paying for sex with women who have been coerced into prostitution is.

    The social worker added: 'Who says he can't do what he wants? We can't place restrictions on a young man who wants to experience the world.'

    The trip emerged in data from Freedom of Information requests which revealed that many councils are using the money from the government's Putting People First scheme to pay for prostitutes, visits to lap dancing clubs and exotic holidays.
    Sex holiday: The unnamed 21-year-old will enjoy a holiday in Amsterdam as well as visiting a prostitute

    Sex holiday: The unnamed 21-year-old will enjoy a holiday in Amsterdam as well as visiting a prostitute

    Another man who has a brain injury has even had sex work built into his council care package.

    This is designed to teach him to become sexually 'self-reliant' after his wife left him and took all their money.

    It has increased his confidence and restored his faith in women, care workers said.

    Critics yesterday said the use of taxpayers' money to fund sex trips abroad as 'deeply worrying'.

    In Greater Manchester and Norfolk, social care clients have used their payments for internet dating subscriptions.

    In one year, a man from Norwich who suffers mental health problems received a holiday to Tunisia, a subscription to an internet dating site, driving lessons and expensive art materials.

    This was on top of state benefits. He claimed he needed 'some time out, some rest and a change of scenery' after a mental breakdown.

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    He also argued that a break in Tunisia with a friend was cheaper than a week in institutional care.

    A survey by The Outsiders and TLC Trusts - groups which campaign for the sexual rights of people with disabilities - found most local authorities said they did not 'condone' transfer of their funds to pay for sex.

    But of 121 councils who responded, 97 per cent said they had no offical policy on the topic.

    Instead, they left decisions to the discretion of their social workers and junior managers.

    Nevertheless, 53 per cent of the councils were said to have a strategy that 'explicitly empowered' disabled people to pursue their sexual aspirations.

    Neil Coyle, director of policy at Disability Alliance, said most people with disabilities did not want or expect the state to pay for sexual services.

    'Public bodies don't exist to find people sexual partners,' he said.

    'When people go to councils for help, they are looking for essential services to maintain some level of dignified existence - help to dress and wash.'

    Matthew Elliot, chief executive of The Taxpayers' Alliance, said: 'Many taxpayers will be appalled and offended that money intended for social care has been used in this way.

    'What's more, it's deeply worrying that this scheme has been so vulnerable to these abuses.

    'It's essential that where public funds are involved, there are the sort of checks and balances in place that prevent money being wasted in this way.'

    But Liz Sayce, chief executive of disability network Radar, agreed with the social worker the desire for sexual relations was a matter of human rights.

    Cases involving payments should be carefully examined on a 'case by case' basis, she added.

    A Department of Health spokesman said: 'Money allocated through Putting People First should be used by councils to help people to live independently.'

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303273/Councils-pay-disabled-visit-prostitutes-lap-dancing-clubs.html#ixzz1VrtDjN4i

    The Daily Mail never fails to disappoint.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Go that guy!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    'Refusing to offer him this service would be a violation of his human rights.'

    So the hooker HAS to ride him ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    err i am alos disabled... Free holiday to amsterdam please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Classy....then again Daily Mail....

    Then you can follow it up by spending tax money on preventing trafficking and helping prostitutes. Makes sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    What happens if he comes back with an STD .


    Love to read the H&S proposal on this trip


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    Ah, how "human rights" have moved on since Gareth Peirce was having that enormous difficulty getting innocent men released from prison on "human rights" grounds.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    To be honest I think its the worst thing that they guy could do. He's not gonna come back thinking ahhhhh I feel better now. He's gonna come back knowing what he's missing and then being told he wont be experiencing it any more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    awesome, do we have something similar in Ireland?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Skunkle wrote: »
    'Refusing to offer him this service would be a violation of his human rights.'

    So the hooker HAS to ride him ?


    Does that also mean prostitution will be made legal then, because it is a human right to pay for jollies? Never heard of that one.
    What about the disabled horney females? Set them up with chaps who are willing to see they receive their human rights too?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    and can we just have a daily fail forum and be done with it


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭Paarse Krokodil


    Skunkle wrote: »
    To be honest I think its the worst thing that they guy could do. He's not gonna come back thinking ahhhhh I feel better now. He's gonna come back knowing what he's missing and then being told he wont be experiencing it any more.

    There's no reason he couldn't be sent a second time after all Amsterdam is not expensive to visit. Also if he is no longer frustrated he might have more luck picking up a real woman


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Fair fúcks to'em.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,361 ✭✭✭Itsdacraic


    Lockstep wrote: »
    Link



    The Daily Mail never fails to disappoint.

    At least it didn't a year ago anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 462 ✭✭elgriff




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭cosmicfart


    I suddenly have a case of the down-syndrome cumming on :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Forest Master


    Why don't they just get another disabled to ride him for free? Kinda the same way that midgets & downs syndroms date each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Feeona wrote: »
    WALL OF TEXT
    Dear lord my eyes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    WindSock wrote: »
    Does that also mean prostitution will be made legal then, because it is a human right to pay for jollies? Never heard of that one.
    What about the disabled horney females? Set them up with chaps who are willing to see they receive their human rights too?

    No. It will be made compulsory. National service. Now, which way to the draft office?

    Get out of my way.:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭dirtypanties


    Itsdacraic wrote: »
    At least it didn't a year ago anyways.

    I knew I'd read that same story before ages ago!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭seaniefr


    now there's a job for one of our numerous unemployed ladies!:D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭saa


    Paying for someones housing and other such things to survive is reasonable if they cannot do so themselves but its not the shock of oh jaysus hail mary their paying for sex. it pisses me off when any council pays for something that is unnecessary (its not their responsibility basically,I have no issue with anyone paying for sex out of their own money but I do wish it wouldn't go to fund crime) or when the gov pays for bus passes or child benefit to those who have a high income.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    This is designed to teach him to become sexually 'self-reliant' after his wife left him and took all their money.
    I know I shouldn't have LOL'd but......:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    My brother is severely retarded with autistic tendencies, yet he is still a grown man and sometimes very obviously in need of relief. However, I detest the idea of him being brought to some tramp who is too lazy to do a proper job or even worse a woman who hates what is happening to her body on a daily basis. The whole thing makes me very uncomfortable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    So when I get shot down my human rights are being violated!


    Evil bitches!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,633 ✭✭✭Feeona


    Lockstep wrote: »
    Dear lord my eyes!

    I know, sorry:o

    I was trying to put in a picture of Alan Partridge-who knew he'd be so wordy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    WindSock wrote: »
    Does that also mean prostitution will be made legal then, because it is a human right to pay for jollies? Never heard of that one.
    What about the disabled horney females? Set them up with chaps who are willing to see they receive their human rights too?

    Amsterdam has a blue light district.
    Lux23 wrote: »
    My brother is severely retarded with autistic tendencies, yet he is still a grown man and sometimes very obviously in need of relief. However, I detest the idea of him being brought to some tramp who is too lazy to do a proper job or even worse a woman who hates what is happening to her body on a daily basis. The whole thing makes me very uncomfortable.

    He is not being brought, he is asking to go. He has been given money to do with as he wishes, and he wishes to go to another country and procure a legal service there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Is that discount hookers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭conorhal


    I've heard of riding the benefits system and screwing the taxpayer but this takes it to a whole new level.

    If they want a ride they can call the make a wish foundation and go to disneyland, otherwise they can settle for jacking off like the rest of us sad single saps, and if you have parkinsons, that's one hell of a ****.

    BTW I'm slickdicksex.... eh.. I mean dyslexic, is there any chance that I'd qualify? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    Amsterdam has a blue light district.

    Isn't that for ladylads?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Fromthetrees


    I want sex for free, I never pull because I dance like this
    http://youtu.be/vIEH_KZ-wmI
    does that count as a disability???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭DjFlin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    WindSock wrote: »
    Isn't that for ladylads?

    Not specifically, plenty of bisexual males working there who will happily take a female client.

    Same in the Red Light, plenty of ladies who will get with the ladies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Article from 2010

    OP, were you googling for prostitutes and lap dancing clubs when you found that article? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,577 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Fair fúcks to'em.

    Fair-trade ****s to'em I hope.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    Same in the Red Light, plenty of ladies who will get with the ladies.

    are thems in the windows for us all to see :) ?



    aaaaaaaaww :(


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    mikemac wrote: »
    Article from 2010

    OP, were you googling for prostitutes and lap dancing clubs when you found that article? ;)

    you say that like your 14 and think he should be ashamed about it!
    get back to church father, nothin to see here ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭HJL


    "Well, I'm all broken up over that man's rights!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    Dionysus wrote: »
    Ah, how "human rights" have moved on since Gareth Peirce was having that enormous difficulty getting innocent men released from prison on "human rights" grounds.

    Gareth Peirce, she's lovely went for dinner with her years ago, amazing women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭ShaunC


    err i am alos disabled... Free holiday to amsterdam please?

    Me too plesse


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    I hope he enjoys it.:D:):)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    There was a TV documentary about this some of you might have seen, it was on BBC 1 a few years ago. Here are the details, it might still be available on youtube
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008504d

    The father's dedication to his son was quite heroic, not just in relation to wanting his son to experience sex, but his overall commitment to his son's welfare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Surely there has to be some other non-daily mail news article about this.

    If it's true, I mean what the ****! This takes altruistic uses of tax payers money to a brand new level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Surely there has to be some other non-daily mail news article about this.

    If it's true, I mean what the ****! This takes altruistic uses of tax payers money to a brand new level.

    But is it an inconsistency? I mean the taxpayer pays for lots of services that although not, perhaps, necessary, aim to improve the quality of life of those who might otherwise have a much lower standard of living.

    In that sense I'm not necessarily convinced that this is a significant new departure; in many ways it is consistent with the philosophy behind state run day care centres for the elderly to come and play bingo, for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    WindSock wrote: »
    Isn't that for ladylads?

    remember walking through there with a mate when we were in Amsterdam for a weekend a few years ago, we were fairly "happy" at that point and didn't notice that the lights had switched to blue. We were walking along looking at the prostitutes and we were like "ahaha that one looks like a man" "ahaha so does that one" "and that...oh". We walked a little further along and next thing a guy comes out of one of the doors and turns around and starts getting pure thick with the tranny, must have not copped it, me and my mate were standing about 10m away from the guy nearly wetting ourselves laughing at him, fun times.


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