Two lads allegedly thrown out of Cork pub for kissing

KnifeWRENCH

http://www.examiner.ie/breakingnews/ireland/two-male-students-ejected-from-cork-bar-for-kissing-517505.html#ixzz1VnTnXLRL

Two male Cork Institute of Technology students were allegedly thrown out of a bar in Cork city on Saturday night for kissing on the dancefloor.

They say they were approached by a bouncer at the Old Oak on Oliver Plunkett Street and issued with a warning after sharing a brief kiss.

They later kissed again on the dancefloor and claim security told them to leave at that point.

When contacted by Cork's RedFM this evening, one of the students said that he is seeking legal advice, while the Old Oak said there was no manager available to comment at this stage.

No statement from the Old Oak's management yet, which is disappointing and certainly makes me suspicious that this was a decision motivated by homophobia and not because the two lads were doing anything wrong.

Over 200 people have already liked a boycott page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Im-boycotting-the-Old-Oak/276959918986005

A friends birthday was here a couple of weeks ago and I was there with my bf. I always thought it was a nice enough place; shame to hear something like this happening.

Annasopra

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=159238300821956

KnifeWRENCH

^ Ah yes, forgot to include that!

allydylan

1,350 likes when i checked pretty good

MitchKoobski

Suprised they haven't given a statement to try and explain the bouncer's actions.

Surely that would solve it, by either admitting fault or giving a reason and awaiting a response.

Solair

I'm amazed they haven't given a response.
They'll lose a lot of custom over this, and it won't just be gay people. I wouldn't set foot in a bar that had those kinds of attitudes.

KnifeWRENCH

allydylan wrote: »

1,350 likes when i checked pretty good

Almost at the 2000 mark now!
And I completely agree with the previous comment; it's very strange that they have yet to give a statement. Either they feel like they did nothing wrong and don't need to try and justify it, or they're oblivious to how much offence this has caused and how much business they'll potentially lose as a result.

Solair

It's gone over 2000 now.
These things can snowball very quickly, particularly after 9am when people get to their desks.

mikemac

What is a maul fest?

Is it lots of couples take over the place and so security won't be able to throw out everyone?

Solair

mikemac wrote: »

What is a maul fest?

Is it lots of couples take over the place and so security won't be able to throw out everyone?

It's a good old fashioned Cork version of a PDA (Public Display of Affection)

jaffacakesyum

Wow I'm surprised this has gotton a write up in the paper and so much attention on facebook! It's great obviously, because it's terrible that in this day and age two guys kissing get thrown out of a bar.

But at the same time, if I was thrown out for the same reason, I'd probably be pissed off on the night and then wouldn't think about it any further.

Anyway, I hope the management issues an apology!

mikemac

Seeking legal advice in that article

Solicitors cost money, so a claim probably going in
You don't pay a solicitor just to force an apology

Compo culture is still alive in Ireland

mickol

I've seen plenty of heterosexual couples admonished for playing tonsil tennis in a bar. ..They stop usually , then its over ...they are not trying to make a point ...just kissing .

Theres no need for solicitors...its the usual ****e. Lets see how far we can push this, attitude . It might get us in the newspaper . Cue picture of john & Jack arm in arm on the paper with sad faces outside the Oak .

It would be easier for these pubs to put up a sign on the door . No public Displays of affection and be done with it. Then couples could sit at opposite sides of the bar and phone each other when they need to talk to each other .

Rothmans

mickol wrote: »

I've seen plenty of heterosexual couples admonished for playing tonsil tennis in a bar. ..They stop usually , then its over ...they are not trying to make a point ...just kissing .

Theres no need for solicitors...its the usual ****e. Lets see how far we can push this, attitude . It might get us in the newspaper . Cue picture of john & Jack arm in arm on the paper with sad faces outside the Oak .

It would be easier for these pubs to put up a sign on the door . No public Displays of affection and be done with it. Then couples could sit at opposite sides of the bar and phone each other when they need to talk to each other .

Article says it happened on the dancefloor, you must walk around with your eyes closed not to notice PDAs (and worse) on the dancefloors of pubs and clubs in this country.
And I've never seen anyone thrown out for it.

Barna77

Rothmans wrote: »

Article says it happened on the dancefloor, you must walk around with your eyes closed not to notice PDAs (and worse) on the dancefloors of pubs and clubs in this country.
And I've never seen anyone thrown out for it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056180962



:rolleyes:

Rothmans

Barna77 wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056180962



:rolleyes:

After reading some of them stories, to make it clear, I mean I've not heard of anyone ever been thrown out for PDAs (kissing).
But holy shit, some of them stories would make a person feel queezy.

54kroc

mikemac wrote: »

Seeking legal advice in that article

Solicitors cost money, so a claim probably going in
You don't pay a solicitor just to force an apology

Compo culture is still alive in Ireland

Could the people involved be trying to draw attention to the archaic attitude shown by the management and security rather than compo.

mickol

cork45 wrote: »

Could the people involved be trying to draw attention to the archaic attitude shown by the management and security rather than compo.

I doubt that compo is the motivation , Much as i doubt that they "forgot" to stop when initially asked by the bouncer . They continued " for the cause " ....the cause has to stop , we get it your gay ...we can handle it . Now put your penises away and move on ....next you'll want civil partnership , or maybe marriage or god forbid even adoption ,,,,where will it all end :rolleyes:

Annasopra

mickol wrote: »

I doubt that compo is the motivation , Much as i doubt that they "forgot" to stop when initially asked by the bouncer . They continued " for the cause " ....the cause has to stop , we get it your gay ...we can handle it . Now put your penises away and move on ....next you'll want civil partnership , or maybe marriage or god forbid even adoption ,,,,where will it all end :rolleyes:

It might end in a tolerant world where people don't tell us to put our penises away:rolleyes:

MitchKoobski

Just doesn't make sense for it to simply be "oh its because they were gay".

If they didn't like homosexuality or PDA's then surely the bouncer would have just asked them to leave the first time.

blow69

mickol wrote: »

I doubt that compo is the motivation , Much as i doubt that they "forgot" to stop when initially asked by the bouncer . They continued " for the cause " ....the cause has to stop , we get it your gay ...we can handle it . Now put your penises away and move on ....next you'll want civil partnership , or maybe marriage or god forbid even adoption ,,,,where will it all end :rolleyes:

I know. It's almost as if gay people want to be treated equally.


Seriously, one of the most idiotic things I have read on Boards. And I am here quite a bit.

Why don't you just blame straight people. They are the ones that keep having gay babies after all.


On topic: The Old Oak is a shithole anyway. It's a breeding ground for thirty to forty year olds looking for the score and dancing embarrassingly to really loud shit music.

MitchKoobski

blow69 wrote: »

I know. It's almost as if gay people want to be treated equally.


Seriously, one of the most idiotic things I have read on Boards. And I am here quite a bit.

Why don't you just blame straight people. They are the ones that keep having gay babies after all.


On topic: The Old Oak is a shithole anyway. It's a breeding ground for thirty to forty year olds looking for the score and dancing embarrassingly to really loud shit music.

He was being sarcastic.....hence the :rolleyes:

blow69

MitchKoobski wrote: »

He was being sarcastic.....hence the :rolleyes:

Ah. Went right over my head.


Apologies.

TylerIE

This is being discussed in AH also, an the reaction is largely supportive of the couple.

Old Oak

official statement from both parties involved:

Joint Statement re incident in Old Oak – Friday 19th into Saturday 20th August 2011


We, the parties involved in the incident last Friday night, met today, 23rd
August, to discuss the events which occurred.

After deliberations and discussions both parties accepted and conceded that mistakes were made by all involved.

The Old Oak apologised for any offence which was taken, but stressed that no offence whatsoever was meant or intended as we are not and never have been anti Gay.

Equally the couple involved, who wish to remain anonymous, accepted that they could have handled matters in a better way.

Both parties look forward to continuing good relations and custom.

MitchKoobski

And in an ideal world, every single thread on it would be locked right now.

WonderWoman!

I generally finder bouncers to be homophobic airheads

EyeSight

Old Oak wrote: »

official statement from both parties involved:

Joint Statement re incident in Old Oak – Friday 19th into Saturday 20th August 2011


We, the parties involved in the incident last Friday night, met today, 23rd
August, to discuss the events which occurred.

After deliberations and discussions both parties accepted and conceded that mistakes were made by all involved.

The Old Oak apologised for any offence which was taken, but stressed that no offence whatsoever was meant or intended as we are not and never have been anti Gay.

Equally the couple involved, who wish to remain anonymous, accepted that they could have handled matters in a better way.

Both parties look forward to continuing good relations and custom.

have you a link to a source? i;ve seen it on a facebook page but there is no evidence to suggest this is official. i could easily make a facebook page and have an "official" announcement saying the oposite.

not saying this is fake, just wondering if there;s any evidence it's real


also i was in there a few months ago and a female friend of mine was kissing a guy on the dancefloor and was warned to stop by a bouncer...

ShatterProof

I was in there a few months ago and they threw out some very drunk and annoying people. Rightly so too.

mickol

MitchKoobski wrote: »

He was being sarcastic.....hence the :rolleyes:

well spotted mitch

blow69 wrote: »

Ah. Went right over my head.


Apologies.

none required

so given the joint statement that there was fault on both sides , why then are the lads allowed to keep their anonymity while the reasonably good name of said establishment was dragged through the mud . I'm sure facebook is not going mad demanding their identity be revealed when they have been baying for blood over the last few days about the Old Oak

MitchKoobski

EyeSight wrote: »

have you a link to a source? i;ve seen it on a facebook page but there is no evidence to suggest this is official. i could easily make a facebook page and have an "official" announcement saying the oposite.

not saying this is fake, just wondering if there;s any evidence it's real


also i was in there a few months ago and a female friend of mine was kissing a guy on the dancefloor and was warned to stop by a bouncer...

That Facebook page for the Old Oak has been there for ages, and its their official page, and they were the one to post it first, AND its already been reported on as their official statement.

EyeSight

MitchKoobski wrote: »

That Facebook page for the Old Oak has been there for ages, and its their official page, and they were the one to post it first, AND its already been reported on as their official statement.

ok, just wondering because i only saw it on a random "old oak" fb page which had nothing else on it i.e. any older posts

Azure_sky

I'm convinced that 25% of bouncers have this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Vojera

mickol wrote: »

so given the joint statement that there was fault on both sides , why then are the lads allowed to keep their anonymity while the reasonably good name of said establishment was dragged through the mud.

According to the discussion on The Last Word on Today FM yesterday, one of the guys isn't out and so isn't willing to let his identity be known.

Shane Fitz

Azure_sky wrote: »

I'm convinced that 25% of bouncers have this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

eh!! why?

Azure_sky

Ah, I said that jokingly...well half jokingly. Most bouncers are pretty cool but there's a significant minority of them who just seem to be on a total power trip. I often wonder is that half the reason why these types take the job, for the bit of power.

KnifeWRENCH

Saw from the AH thread on this that the manager finally gave a response:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ar-165209.html

Seems like a reasonable response, just came too late to avoid the whole shítstorm