LSL, AUL, etc etc

born2bwild · 21-08-2011 4:16pm #1

Right, question to settle a bet:

What's the difference between the leinster senior league and the athletic union league?

Is there a difference in level?

Similarly, within each league, are the various leagues organised on the basis of ability or other factors (for example, some people have to work on Saturdays or Sundays?)

Iago · 21-08-2011 4:21pm

For a long time the AUL was stronger, then the LSL was stronger, it's been a while since I played so I don't know the relative merits of both at this stage. I'd hazard a guess that the top teams in both would probably be competitive in either.

In the LSL the top 4 divisions are known as LSL Intermediate, with the rest known as LSL Junior, so they are organised on the basis of ability with promotion and relegation for each.

Intermediate is Sunday, the top Junior leagues are Sunday and then the next level down (which generally have the second teams from the Intermediate clubs) are Saturdays. Further down are the remaining Sunday leagues, which will sometimes have a third team from some of the Intermediate clubs.

I'm not sure on AUL but I'd guess it's probably similar.

Imo it's

AUL/LSL Intermediate
AUL/LSL Junior
UCL

born2bwild · 21-08-2011 4:34pm

So would you say that for the AUL the levels (descending) are:

Premier A
Premier B
Premier C

And for the LSL?

Saturday Major
Saturday Major 1....

I am actually totally bewildered by the whole thing, tbh.

If you look at these pages:

http://www.lsl.ie/LeagueTables.aspx

and

http://www.aul.ie/fixtures.php

you'll see a whole list of leagues...by the looks of the teams in LSL Saturday Major and AUL Premier A, they look the strongest, but who knows?

Does anyone actually understand this?

Iago · 21-08-2011 4:43pm

LSL is

Sun Senior
Sun Senior 1
Sun Senior 1A
Sun Senior 1B
Sun Major
Sun Major 1
Sun Premier
Sun Premier 1
Sat Major
Sat Major 1

and so on. That's not to say that some of the teams in Sat Major couldn't beat some of the teams in Sun Premier or that Sun Major couldn't beat some of the senior teams, but that's structure give or take.

Sat Divison 3A is the lowest league in the LSL.

Looking at the AUL tables it seems to be structured slightly differently.

Premier A, B, C at the top and then the Sunday and Saturday Leagues look like they could be like for like, but to be honest I'm not sure.

Zebra3 · 21-08-2011 4:46pm

Top four divisions of LSL is deemed "intermediate". Games need to be played on private pitches.

The rest of the LSL and the AUL falls under the "junior" tag. (LoI is "senior").

Or at least that's the way it was back in my day.

born2bwild · 21-08-2011 4:50pm

Iago wrote: »

LSL is

Sun Senior
Sun Senior 1
Sun Senior 1A
Sun Senior 1B
Sun Major
Sun Major 1
Sun Premier
Sun Premier 1
Sat Major
Sat Major 1

and so on. That's not to say that some of the teams in Sat Major couldn't beat some of the teams in Sun Premier or that Sun Major couldn't beat some of the senior teams, but that's structure give or take.

Sat Divison 3A is the lowest league in the LSL.

Looking at the AUL tables it seems to be structured slightly differently.

Premier A, B, C at the top and then the Sunday and Saturday Leagues look like they could be like for like, but to be honest I'm not sure.

It's mental, isn't it?
As I said, still bewildered: the bet was that no-one actually has a clue.
Should just re-name the whole lot the Clear as Mud Amateur leagues.

born2bwild · 21-08-2011 4:53pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Top four divisions of LSL is deemed "intermediate". Games need to be played on private pitches.

The rest of the LSL and the AUL falls under the "junior" tag. (LoI is "senior").

Or at least that's the way it was back in my day.

So, from this list:
http://www.lsl.ie/LeagueTables.aspx
which leagues are ''intermediate"?
And if AUL is junior, how come Sherriff YC have got to the last 16 of the FAI cup?

dreamers75 · 21-08-2011 5:43pm

born2bwild wrote: »

So, from this list:
http://www.lsl.ie/LeagueTables.aspx
which leagues are ''intermediate"?
And if AUL is junior, how come Sherriff YC have got to the last 16 of the FAI cup?

sun division 2 is where its at :cool:

Iago · 21-08-2011 7:16pm

born2bwild wrote: »

So, from this list:
http://www.lsl.ie/LeagueTables.aspx
which leagues are ''intermediate"?
And if AUL is junior, how come Sherriff YC have got to the last 16 of the FAI cup?

Sun Senior
Sun Senior 1
Sun Senior 1A
Sun Senior 1B

I don't know about Sherriff YC in particular, but when I was playing a lot of very good players who could have played at the highest Intermediate level stayed in "junior" leagues so that they could play representative football.

Also, I don't think the top divisions in AUL should be considered junior, certainly the better teams in those top divisions would compete in Senior & Senior 1 of the LSL.

Zebra3 · 21-08-2011 7:35pm

born2bwild wrote: »

So, from this list:
http://www.lsl.ie/LeagueTables.aspx
which leagues are ''intermediate"?
And if AUL is junior, how come Sherriff YC have got to the last 16 of the FAI cup?

The four "Sunday Senior" divisions are intermediate.

The semi-finalists of the FAI Junior Cup along with the last sixteen of the FAI Intermediate Cup qualify for the first round of the FAI Senior Cup.

The ten winners join the twenty two LoI sides to make the last 32.

Not sure what happened this year with there only being 21 LoI sides.

Actually that's the way it used to be. Maybe it's slightly changed since the A Championship was set up.

paulcorr · 21-08-2011 7:36pm

Iago wrote: »

For a long time the AUL was stronger, then the LSL was stronger, it's been a while since I played so I don't know the relative merits of both at this stage. I'd hazard a guess that the top teams in both would probably be competitive in either.

In the LSL the top 4 divisions are known as LSL Intermediate, with the rest known as LSL Junior, so they are organised on the basis of ability with promotion and relegation for each.

Intermediate is Sunday, the top Junior leagues are Sunday and then the next level down (which generally have the second teams from the Intermediate clubs) are Saturdays. Further down are the remaining Sunday leagues, which will sometimes have a third team from some of the Intermediate clubs.

I'm not sure on AUL but I'd guess it's probably similar.

Imo it's

AUL/LSL Intermediate
AUL/LSL Junior
UCL

Would never had said the AUL was better than the leinster senior league,Aul teams have moved to the stronger LSL, not alot of LSL have moved the other way.LSL has been the top league or leagues for many a year going back to the 50s and 60s i would say its lost alot of teams over the years,but would still be the top league in leinster.

dreamers75 · 21-08-2011 8:30pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

Not sure what happened this year with there only being 21 LoI sides.

Some northside team or something, cant recall who they were.

LeixlipRed · 21-08-2011 9:31pm

I also believe there's a stipulation upon joining the LSL that a club must own their pitch and not be renting a public pitch. I believe no such rule exists in the AUL. Maybe someone could clarify that but I think that's correct.

born2bwild · 22-08-2011 12:55am

Think I'm getting a clearer idea of this now.

LSL Sunday Senior is the LSL's top league...
AUL's Premier A is the AUL's top league...

The AUL teams are officially 'Junior' while the LSL's are 'Intermediate' but how do you think teams from the AUL Premier A shape up against the LSL Sunday Senior?

EDIT: I know this question has been addressed already, so really I'm asking something like: why, if the LSL Sunday Senior and the AUL Premier A are more or less equivalent, is the latter 'Junior' and the former 'Intermediate'?

celtictiger32 · 22-08-2011 2:42am

the AUL structure is;

PREM A
PREM B
PREM C
SENIOR SUN
DIV 1
DIV 1A
DIV 2............ and so on. the top league on sat is senior sat and then as before. imo the lsl is slightly stronger but several teams in the aul would most definately compete with the top league in the lsl having personally watched teams from both. im not sure of the exact definition of intermediate/junior but i think one of the criteria for intermediate is to have a private ground.

dyl10 · 22-08-2011 10:09am

The LSL is stronger overall. The top teams in the AUL would certainly do well in the lower intermediate leagues but it's hard to say how they would do in Sun Senior.

Killester have just moved over to the LSL and they were a top AUL team.
They are in a lower intermediate LSL league but they should surely stroll through it and give an indication of where the AUL is at.

Iago · 22-08-2011 1:41pm

LeixlipRed wrote: »

I also believe there's a stipulation upon joining the LSL that a club must own their pitch and not be renting a public pitch. I believe no such rule exists in the AUL. Maybe someone could clarify that but I think that's correct.

Only for the top 4 Intermediate leagues. You can play in any of the junior leagues on a public pitch, but if you manage to get promoted to the Intermediate divisions you can't join them unless you have a private pitch.

born2bwild · 22-08-2011 2:22pm

Thanks, I know more than I did before.

Here's another one:

What's going to happen to the A Championship first teams if that league is getting wound up?

dreamers75 · 22-08-2011 4:24pm

born2bwild wrote: »

Thanks, I know more than I did before.

Here's another one:

What's going to happen to the A Championship first teams if that league is getting wound up?

Players and managers let go, anyone under 19 can play in the under 19 league.

So expect a few LSL teams to have new players, most of pats gone to bluebell.

LeixlipRed · 22-08-2011 5:20pm

Iago wrote: »

Only for the top 4 Intermediate leagues. You can play in any of the junior leagues on a public pitch, but if you manage to get promoted to the Intermediate divisions you can't join them unless you have a private pitch.

Ah yes, I knew it wasn't quite right. Cheers!

born2bwild · 22-08-2011 5:21pm

No, I meant the first teams in the 'A': Carlow, Cobh, Fanad and Tralee - alright this is a different thread obviously since only Carlow is in Leinster - but I heard that each of those 4 was invited to join the two new first divisions?

If that doesn't happen I suppose those teams will just go back to their respective Intermediate leagues?

celtictiger32 · 30-08-2011 3:26am

dyl10 wrote: »

The LSL is stronger overall. The top teams in the AUL would certainly do well in the lower intermediate leagues but it's hard to say how they would do in Sun Senior.

Killester have just moved over to the LSL and they were a top AUL team.
They are in a lower intermediate LSL league but they should surely stroll through it and give an indication of where the AUL is at.

killester have moved but they lost a good few players doing so, so its not really the same team as was in the AUL last year, so its not really a good marker.

LiamMc · 01-09-2011 2:14pm

celtictiger32 wrote: »

killester have moved but they lost a good few players doing so, so its not really the same team as was in the AUL last year, so its not really a good marker.

I think they'll pick up trophies as they move up from Senior 1B (fourth tier). They're capablem of getting promoted every year. But the top of Senior 1B is pretty competitive. Although a few heavy weights has been promoted out in the last few years.

Also Killester now play in the Interemediate cup, three wins (not incl. byes) from the FAI Cup 1st round draw.

celtictiger32 · 02-09-2011 4:37am

LiamMc wrote: »

I think they'll pick up trophies as they move up from Senior 1B (fourth tier). They're capablem of getting promoted every year. But the top of Senior 1B is pretty competitive. Although a few heavy weights has been promoted out in the last few years.

Also Killester now play in the Interemediate cup, three wins (not incl. byes) from the FAI Cup 1st round draw.

id still say killester will do well its just not the same team. i do believe a few premier a teams would compete with the lsl big boys. similar argument i suppose for ndsl v ddsl

LiamMc · 02-09-2011 8:44am

celtictiger32 wrote: »

id still say killester will do well its just not the same team. i do believe a few premier a teams would compete with the lsl big boys. similar argument i suppose for ndsl v ddsl

I do agree with you, I was just been cautious.

LiamMc · 02-09-2011 8:52am

celtictiger32 wrote: »

id still say killester will do well its just not the same team. i do believe a few premier a teams would compete with the lsl big boys. similar argument i suppose for ndsl v ddsl

I do agree with you, I was just been cautious.

Portmarknock, Another AUL side that moved from AUL to a LSL Junior Division. After getting promotead from the Division to Senior 1B has been held up one year.

Killester Utd. should move through a little bit quicker than Portmarknock but there is a drift towards the LSL now and Killies joining may make the other similiar sized sides look around and think twice about the AUL.
But also there's more AUL trophies to share around now, more spaces freed-up for representation aswell (reps both on the pitch and in committee rooms).

celtictiger32 · 08-09-2011 10:41am

LiamMc wrote: »

I do agree with you, I was just been cautious.

Portmarknock, Another AUL side that moved from AUL to a LSL Junior Division. After getting promotead from the Division to Senior 1B has been held up one year.

Killester Utd. should move through a little bit quicker than Portmarknock but there is a drift towards the LSL now and Killies joining may make the other similiar sized sides look around and think twice about the AUL.
But also there's more AUL trophies to share around now, more spaces freed-up for representation aswell (reps both on the pitch and in committee rooms).

i reckon some of the reason for the move was the punishment dealt out fo a little misbehavior on the trip to brazil

LFC5Times · 25-09-2011 7:04pm

How does the UCFL compare to the LSL or AUL? I'm aware it is a lower standard but how much lower is it?

Would for example the lowest league in the UCFL be the same as in the LSL or AUL, whereas the difference in the Leagues is up around the top leagues.

celtictiger32 · 06-10-2011 4:14am

LFC5Times wrote: »

How does the UCFL compare to the LSL or AUL? I'm aware it is a lower standard but how much lower is it?

Would for example the lowest league in the UCFL be the same as in the LSL or AUL, whereas the difference in the Leagues is up around the top leagues.

not from what ive seen anyway the only 2 worth their salt are lsl and aul

leposean · 06-10-2011 7:10pm

Iago wrote: »

Only for the top 4 Intermediate leagues. You can play in any of the junior leagues on a public pitch, but if you manage to get promoted to the Intermediate divisions you can't join them unless you have a private pitch.

Maybe I'm wrong but Mt Merrion play on the Astro in Irishtown Stadium, Ringsend. Thats hardly a private pitch that they own is it because I managed NCI and we rented it from there paying the Irishtown stadium themselves

leposean · 06-10-2011 7:12pm

celtictiger32 wrote: »

not from what ive seen anyway the only 2 worth their salt are lsl and aul

UCFL is a much lower standard, its more of a pub league.

Now forgive that description as its not a bunch of overweight ''aul lads'' playing ball. The teams take it seriously but its more to go out and enjoy the banter than the highly competitive aUL and LSL. Saying that VEC, Trinity Corintians and Brayzil are all very good teams but would be nowhere near the top teams in LSL, AUL. The league is a lot like the UCD Superleague's top teams to be honest, standard wise anyway

LSL, AUL, etc etc

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