The state of the 11:17pm from Connolly to Maynooth last night

n97 mini

The train was covered in empty vodka and beer bottles, empty beer cans, and rubbish associated with a party strewn everywhere.

For some reason all of the brands we east European, but I'm not sure if the consumers were as they were no-where to be seen.

Where did this train come from that it was in such a state?

Is that train normally in that state?

Jehuty42

Rubbish associated with a bunch of kids coming in from the suburbs to town predrinking on the train for a night "on the lash". There's not really any opportunity to clean up the train that late at night, its scheduled to just arrive in Pearse and then head straight back in the opposite direction.

The solution is to enforce some security so that drunk people making a nuisance of themselves are thrown off promptly. thus avoiding the mess ever being created. I'm not sure STT do this or not- I take late night city centre-Maynooth trains like this one all the time and they seem to get on at Connolly and get off at Ashtown having done nothing(in that direction its just late workers going home I find, no trouble).

But yeah, this kind of mess happens sometimes. Not ususally to the scale that you describe it, but empty cans and such are often to be seen. Once or twice I've seen an entire carriage locked off on that service, I suppose because of someone throwing up or similiar. I tend to just ignore the rubbish, anti-social drinking is a major problem in this country and this is just a symptom. Until we change our societal attitude to drink, all the added security in the world won't help.

foggy_lad

n97 mini wrote: »

The train was covered in empty vodka and beer bottles, empty beer cans, and rubbish associated with a party strewn everywhere.

For some reason all of the brands we east European, but I'm not sure if the consumers were as they were no-where to be seen.

Where did this train come from that it was in such a state?

Is that train normally in that state?

leaving cert students after getting their results on wednesday buying cheap vodka etc and drinking it on the train so they can fall around the city drunk for the night?

thomasj

Its a problem with the northern line and maynooth line late night especially friday and saturday night.

A member of staff at connolly told me about this problem about a year ago

Although ive been on DARTs occasionally and have spotted it a few times.

Carawaystick

The contract between the NTA and IE states that *All* trains will be cleaned and presented to an acceptable standard

Maybe empty drink containers just meets the standards of the nta

RandolphEsq

A few LUAS heavies should sort out that problem

Zebra3

Jehuty42 wrote: »

The solution is to enforce some security so that drunk people making a nuisance of themselves are thrown off promptly. thus avoiding the mess ever being created. I'm not sure STT do this or not-

I once saw STT confiscate alcohol off people as the train was coming into Broombridge. The train stopped at Broomer and the security got off, threw what they confiscated into the canal before reboarding the train. :rolleyes:

LXFlyer

Carawaystick wrote: »

The contract between the NTA and IE states that *All* trains will be cleaned and presented to an acceptable standard

Maybe empty drink containers just meets the standards of the nta

Indeed it does but operationally that may not be possible between two journeys if there is a tight turnaround - would you rather the train was delayed?

AlekSmart

n97 mini wrote: »

The train was covered in empty vodka and beer bottles, empty beer cans, and rubbish associated with a party strewn everywhere.

For some reason all of the brands we east European, but I'm not sure if the consumers were as they were no-where to be seen.

Where did this train come from that it was in such a state?

Is that train normally in that state?

You think this is noteworthy ...?

Early indications on the N11 QBC are that the Party Season is starting early this year.

The conditions n97 mini describes are about average in the Bus world :mad:

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

Indeed it does but operationally that may not be possible between two journeys if there is a tight turnaround - would you rather the train was delayed?

In order of preference:
1. Prevent it
2. Clean it up while the train is turning around (Ryanair style, which works)
3. Delay the train for 5 minutes to clean it up
4. Run a filthy train

If that's an earlier train from Maynooth into Pearse which then leaves Pearse at 23:10, the only one it can be is the 22:49 arrival. That gives 21 minutes to clean it up.

LXFlyer

n97 mini wrote: »

lxflyer wrote: »

Indeed it does but operationally that may not be possible between two journeys if there is a tight turnaround - would you rather the train was delayed?

In order of preference:
1. Prevent it
2. Clean it up while the train is turning around (Ryanair style, which works)
3. Delay the train for 5 minutes to clean it up
4. Run a filthy train

If that's an earlier train from Maynooth into Pearse which then leaves Pearse at 23:10, the only one it can be is the 22:49 arrival. That gives 21 minutes to clean it up.

It's a bit difficult to prevent it given the train is driver only.

However some effort should be made where time permits to clean it up.

n97 mini

lxflyer wrote: »

It's a bit difficult to prevent it given the train is driver only.

STT.

Having said that, two STT chimps boarded in Connolly, grabbed a few bottles and attempted to ram them into bins on the train that were already over-flowing, essentially only moving the mess from one place to another.

Losty Dublin

n97 mini wrote: »

If that's an earlier train from Maynooth into Pearse which then leaves Pearse at 23:10, the only one it can be is the 22:49 arrival. That gives 21 minutes to clean it up.

That train stables in Pearse yard upon arrival so if there were cleaners free to address it (Which there actually isn't in Pearse) they have no access to the train from there.

n97 mini

Losty Dublin wrote: »

That train stables in Pearse yard upon arrival so if there were cleaners free to address it (Which there actually isn't in Pearse) they have no access to the train from there.

If someone wanted to solve that problem they could...

Losty Dublin

n97 mini wrote: »

If someone wanted to solve that problem they could...

If there was a team of cleaners sitting idle on the off chance that people dirtied a train prior to it going off to be cleaned again an hour later I am sure you would be delighted with the waste of money

AlekSmart

n97 mini wrote: »

STT.

Having said that, two STT chimps boarded in Connolly, grabbed a few bottles and attempted to ram them into bins on the train that were already over-flowing, essentially only moving the mess from one place to another.

Another no-win situation I fear,surely describing people actually performing a Job,and a not particularly inviting one at that,merits even a sliver of regard ?

I wonder if n97 mini would repeat this term of endearment to the STT mens faces ..?

mickydoomsux

AlekSmart wrote: »

Another no-win situation I fear,surely describing people actually performing a Job,and a not particularly inviting one at that,merits even a sliver of regard ?

I wonder if n97 mini would repeat this term of endearment to the STT mens faces ..?

Of course he wouldn't.

Much easier to come on here and complain about IE and their contractors in every single thread.

dowlingm

To be fair, cleaning standards on late night services (and even early commuter from Gorey) have come up before. Steps have been taken on some services such as the alcohol ban on some Waterford services, perhaps something similar needs to happen here.

n97 mini

AlekSmart wrote: »

Another no-win situation I fear,surely describing people actually performing a Job,and a not particularly inviting one at that,merits even a sliver of regard ?

Performing a job so incredibly badly that the end result was worse: Grabbing fistfuls of bottles and spilling beer all over the floor in the process, and then trying to stuff them into a full bin and letting the fall out again, was nothing short of cretinous.

AlekSmart

n97 mini wrote: »

Performing a job so incredibly badly that the end result was worse: Grabbing fistfuls of bottles and spilling beer all over the floor in the process, and then trying to stuff them into a full bin and letting the fall out again, was nothing short of cretinous.

Given that it was'nt actually the STT men's job at all,I'd actually be more inclined to at least grudgingly give them credit for trying to do something.

Although I would concede that it's often far easier to just sit and deliver knowing judgement on these types of people.

Kinda illustrative of just how Ireland Teo got it's present dominant position... :rolleyes:

Zebra3

AlekSmart wrote: »

Given that it was'nt actually the STT men's job at all,I'd actually be more inclined to at least grudgingly give them credit for trying to do something.

If they don't have permission to take alcohol from passengers on a train, then they broke the law.

LXFlyer

Zebra3 wrote: »

If they don't have permission to take alcohol from passengers on a train, then they broke the law.

From reading the posts above they didn't grab them off anyone - they were left on tables/seats.

-Chris-

Seeing as there were no IE employees "available" to clear up the bottles, and the STT guys deserve nothing but derision because they did a shabby job (even though it's not actually their job and they were doing it out of some sense of civic responsibility I guess...), I wonder would a possible alternative have been for a civic minded rail user to do a quick tidy up?

Is it an unreasonable suggestion?

n97 mini

AlekSmart wrote: »

Given that it was'nt actually the STT men's job at all,I'd actually be more inclined to at least grudgingly give them credit for trying to do something.

Having made the mess worse they are not exempt from criticism just because they tried.

schemingbohemia

n97 mini wrote: »

Having made the mess worse they are not exempt from criticism just because they tried.

Did you try and clean it up yourself?

AlekSmart

n97 mini wrote: »

Having made the mess worse they are not exempt from criticism just because they tried.

Nobody is exempt from criticism n97 mini, I am given,accept,and even by times welcome,criticism when it is deserved and offered in a positive constructive manner.

I'm struggling to find any such theme behind this....

STT.

Having said that, two STT chimps boarded in Connolly, grabbed a few bottles and attempted to ram them into bins on the train that were already over-flowing, essentially only moving the mess from one place to another.

I would quite regularly do a sweep of my bus to locate and remove empty bottles,cans,half-eaten or half-digested food and packaging mistakenly left behind by my Human customers,quite often the only place I can deposit this wealth of recyclable material is the overflowing litter bin at the terminus...but then that's what "Chimps" are trained to do I suppose...cater for their human masters needs ?

n97 mini

AlekSmart wrote: »

Nobody is exempt from criticism n97 mini, I am given,accept,and even by times welcome,criticism when it is deserved and offered in a positive constructive manner.

I'm struggling to find any such theme behind this....



I would quite regularly do a sweep of my bus to locate and remove empty bottles,cans,half-eaten or half-digested food and packaging mistakenly left behind by my Human customers,quite often the only place I can deposit this wealth of recyclable material is the overflowing litter bin at the terminus...but then that's what "Chimps" are trained to do I suppose...cater for their human masters needs ?

Ok Alek, you're having a little bone there now with the fact that I used the word chimp. I feel it's justified when two gentlemen board a train, make a bigger mess, and leave again.

-Chris-

n97 mini wrote: »

Ok Alek, you're having a little bone there now with the fact that I used the word chimp. I feel it's justified when two gentlemen board a train, make a bigger mess, and leave again.

Do you mind if I ask why you're not condemning the people who actually caused the mess in the first place?

For a passenger on a train to leave it in such a state as you're describing is absolutely unacceptable, but you don't seem to be pointing any fingers in that direction at all.

n97 mini

-Chris- wrote: »

Do you mind if I ask why you're not condemning the people who actually caused the mess in the first place?

For a passenger on a train to leave it in such a state as you're describing is absolutely unacceptable, but you don't seem to be pointing any fingers in that direction at all.

I mentioned STT once, it's others that keep bringing it up.

Of course I condemn the original messers too. Why wouldn't I.

-Chris-

n97 mini wrote: »

I mentioned STT once, it's others that keep bringing it up.

Of course I condemn the original messers too. Why wouldn't I.

I don't know, but you hadn't yet, so I thought I'd ask!

n97 mini

-Chris- wrote: »

I don't know, but you hadn't yet, so I thought I'd ask!

Fair enough.