Quality of Cheap Diesel, Collins Ave & Malahide Road

deandean

A few months back someone set up diesel only, cash only outlet on Collins Avenue (North Dublin).

Last week the same outfit opened a new outlet at Clare Hall, Malahide Road.
Diesel @134.9 compared to, what, 142.9 elsewhere!

Now a pal of mine reckoned he got bad fuel at Collins Ave a few weeks back, i.e. his car was chugging a lot until he re-filled elsewhere, and he's not going back.

I filled up at malahide Rd yesterday and so far so good - no problems.

Anyone got comments good or bad on the diesel supplied at these outlets?

Thanks.

MugMugs

deandean wrote: »

A few months back someone set up diesel only, cash only outlet on Collins Avenue (North Dublin).

Last week the same outfit opened a new outlet at Clare Hall, Malahide Road.
Diesel @134.9 compared to, what, 142.9 elsewhere!

Now a pal of mine reckoned he got bad fuel at Collins Ave a few weeks back, i.e. his car was chugging a lot until he re-filled elsewhere, and he's not going back.

I filled up at malahide Rd yesterday and so far so good - no problems.

Anyone got comments good or bad on the diesel supplied at these outlets?

Thanks.

If it is over 4 cent or more below the norm then it is possibly washed. The washing isnt the issue anymore as they are running it through cat litter instead of washing with acid to take out the colour however they dilute it down to a nice level & the amount of "additives" being used are killing engines.

Do you like cheap diesel or a working motor ? Your call

johnos1984

I checked out a couple of places selling cheap diesel.

All were being supplied by some lovely lads from South Armagh.

One quick call to a friend in the know told me they were selling the cleanest diesel in Ireland

testicle

MugMugs wrote: »

If it is over 4 cent or more below the norm then it's washed. The washing isnt the issue anymore as they are running it through cat litter instead of washing with acid to take out the colour however they dilute it down to a nice level & the amount of "additives" being used are killing engines.

Do you like cheap diesel or a working motor ? Your call

So what you're saying is that all the stations in green under diesel on pumps.ie are selling washed diesel?

MugMugs

johnos1984 wrote: »

I checked out a couple of places selling cheap diesel.

All were being supplied by some lovely lads from South Armagh.

One quick call to a friend in the know told me they were selling the cleanest diesel in Ireland

Is there a blatant analogy in there ? :cool:

MugMugs

testicle wrote: »

So what you're saying is that all the stations in green under diesel on pumps.ie are selling washed diesel?

I couldn't support an allegation like that really so I edited my last post.

Bandara

MugMugs wrote: »

testicle wrote: »

So what you're saying is that all the stations in green under diesel on pumps.ie are selling washed diesel?

I couldn't support an allegation like that really so I edited my last post.

well I would not take diesel of them if it was free. (I of course am not for a second suggesting anything illegal is going on of course)

I repeat, I would not put there fuel I to my car for free.

I'm very very serious here, the revenue were informed of 66 stations in the Dublin and close surrounding areas selling blatently washed diesel "it's not in their remit" was their reply.

It's a joke.

deandean

Hammertime wrote: »

well I would not take diesel of them if it was free. (I of course am not for a second suggesting anything illegal is going on of course)

I repeat, I would not put there fuel I to my car for free.

I'm very very serious here, the revenue were informed of 66 stations in the Dublin and close surrounding areas selling blatently washed diesel "it's not in their remit" was their reply.

It's a joke.

OMG Revenue - these are the guys who dip your car at checkpoints and can consficate car or fine you thousands if you're using the wrong diesel? I don't understand why they don't follow up at the retailers.:mad:

johnos1984

deandean wrote: »

OMG Revenue - these are the guys who dip your car at checkpoints and can consficate car or fine you thousands if you're using the wrong diesel? I don't understand why they don't follow up at the retailers.:mad:

It's CUSTOMS and EXCISE not Revenue who are responsible for this and who dip your tank.

Revenue deal with tax evasion and the like not the laundering of fuel

Brian?

johnos1984 wrote: »

It's CUSTOMS and EXCISE not Revenue who are responsible for this and who dip your tank.

Revenue deal with tax evasion and the like not the laundering of fuel

Exactly.

MugMugs

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

shawnee

Had a similar thread on these in Limerick. Got a lot of engine trouble from this sh... c so called cheap diesel. Wouldn't buy other than from a reputable source anymore , There's a lot of saving to be done to pay for the replacement of a pump and or injectors

Buffman

johnos1984 wrote: »

It's CUSTOMS and EXCISE not Revenue who are responsible for this and who dip your tank.

Revenue deal with tax evasion and the like not the laundering of fuel

Revenue and Customs are the same people.

Role of Revenue

The Office of the Revenue Commissioners was established by Government Order in 1923. The Order provided for a Board of Commissioners. The Board comprises a Chairman and two Commissioners all of whom carry the rank of Secretary General. The Chairman of the Board is also the Accounting Officer for Revenue. The Mission Statement of Revenue is:
'To serve the community by fairly and efficiently collecting taxes and duties and implementing Customs controls.'
Staff and Geographical Spread

There are in excess of 100 Revenue offices countrywide with a staff complement of over 6000 approx.
Core Business

The core business is the assessment and collection of taxes and duties. Revenue's mandate derives from obligations imposed by statute and by Government and as a result of Ireland's membership of the European Union. In broad terms the work includes -

• Assessing, collecting and managing taxes and duties that account for over 93% of Exchequer Revenue
• Administering the Customs regime for the control of imports and exports and collection of duties and levies on behalf of the EU
• Working in co-operation with other State Agencies in the fight against drugs and in other cross Departmental initiatives
• Carrying out Agency work for other Departments
• Collection of PRSI for the Department of Social Protection
• Provision of policy advice on taxation issues.

johnos1984

Yes but when you want to make a complaint it has to go to the correct section.

Revenue and Customs operate separately IIFC from my time in there.

One of those large Government black hole organisations if you know what I mean. Unless you get the right person at the right time of year (not the summer) the letter may 'get lost' or rejected.

colm_mcm

MugMugs wrote: »

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

So what's to stop them using it in their car then?

How does the farmer prove he didn't just sell it to his neighbours/petrol stations etc?

Wertz

MugMugs wrote: »

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

So what about all that lovely home heating oil?

Guy I work with the odd time has taken to just filling the car up with the dyed diesel because in his own words "at least it's not going to chew through my engine". Reckons that even some of the legit places around his area are selling washed stuff unknown to themselves. A fine from revenue is still likely to be cheaper than getting his engine back to working condition...obviously having the car seized hasn't occurred to him.

JJJJNR

A guy in wicklow town has setup a similar thing, I ran his diesel for three weeks with no problems but got a bit iffy about it.

MugMugs

colm_mcm wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

Said it before and said it again

Get rid of the Dye and bring in a scheme where the farmers can claim back the duty on Diesel bought for field use.

So what's to stop them using it in their car then?

How does the farmer prove he didn't just sell it to his neighbours/petrol stations etc?

Accountable usage. One tractor average 50 gallons a year. Exceptional usage is scrutinized. Or have a permit to purchase duty free. Purchases are monitored and excessive use is questioned. That 50 gallons was purely example lads. Loss as a result of skimming off the top and sticking in your motor is minor compared to the current loss of revenue.

robtri

MugMugs wrote: »

Accountable usage. One tractor average 50 gallons a year. Exceptional usage is scrutinized. Or have a permit to purchase duty free. Purchases are monitored and excessive use is questioned. That 50 gallons was purely example lads. Loss as a result of skimming off the top and sticking in your motor is minor compared to the current loss of revenue.

that makes no sense... some tractors use a lot and some use very little.. and what about farmers with three tractors or more, and one or two are never used??? putting a figure on how much u can buy wont work....

blahblah06

I get mine for 1.20 a litre and no problems using it the past two months going through 2 - 3 tanks a week

MugMugs

robtri wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

Accountable usage. One tractor average 50 gallons a year. Exceptional usage is scrutinized. Or have a permit to purchase duty free. Purchases are monitored and excessive use is questioned. That 50 gallons was purely example lads. Loss as a result of skimming off the top and sticking in your motor is minor compared to the current loss of revenue.

that makes no sense... some tractors use a lot and some use very little.. and what about farmers with three tractors or more, and one or two are never used??? putting a figure on how much u can buy wont work....

Yeah and I was drafting formal legislation. What's your solution? Allow washed diesel rip off the exchequer hand over fist and damage more and more cars. I don't know where you are but washed diesel is rife up here in Louth and its pushing further and further south. They will out legitimately run stations out of business very quickly. Accountable usage. If you can justify your usage then fair game. If you've three tractors then obviously your usage is going to be higher than the lad with one.

fryup

provo diesel

Wertz

Licensing farmers and agri-diesel is all very well but these boys are getting the heating oil and filtering or acid washing it...legislating for that is impossible...

Mr. Manager

My uncle, 5th person down on list, just flat out told me and my dad not to buy that stuff.

Didn't ask questions as I presume he knows what he's talking about.

nmacc

I clock up quite a few miles in my van and I keep a close eye on the fuel consumption.

I used to buy my diesel at the station in Mount Brown. Always 4 or 5 cents cheaper with a queue of cabbies running down the street. Then one day I saw the station getting topped up from a small, unmarked, Louth-registered tanker. Decided to pass from then on.

Funny thing; as soon as I changed to a regular filling station, my milage improved by 10%. Just like that. It has remained consistently 10% better. No servicing or changes in machinery or driving techniques, just reputable diesel.

Gumbo

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

My uncle, 5th person down on list, just flat out told me and my dad not to buy that stuff.

Didn't ask questions as I presume he knows what he's talking about.

of course he would.
where did he recommend you buy instead? Tesco or Applegreen?

Sid_Justice

Can someone put this to me more directly.

Are people saying there is a possibility that the diesel sold in this discount budget stations is modified home heating oil or modified agricultural diesel and if so, could damage an engine or cause it to run sub-optimally?

Or are people saying if it is modified it won't damage your car diesel engine but it is dishonest because it's not properly taxed?

Or are people saying its supplied by gangsters from up-north and to buy diesel from here would be indirectly supporting their activities?

Mr. Manager

kceire wrote: »

of course he would.
where did he recommend you buy instead? Tesco or Applegreen?

Ha, nope. He just said to buy from a reputable place. Always get mine in Tesco cos that's where I do my shopping anyways. Plus I can pop the card in the pump and never have to step foot in the shop

MugMugs

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Can someone put this to me more directly.

Are people saying there is a possibility that the diesel sold in this discount budget stations is modified home heating oil or modified agricultural diesel and if so, could damage an engine or cause it to run sub-optimally?

Or are people saying if it is modified it won't damage your car diesel engine but it is dishonest because it's not properly taxed?

Or are people saying its supplied by gangsters from up-north and to buy diesel from here would be indirectly supporting their activities?

Washed Diesel is generally cheaper than regular Diesel and will damage your engine. There have been a number of washing plants found in the north and south lately. Take from that what you need.


700 post.

mfceiling

You put in 50 litres which is 6 cents (example) a litre cheaper.........is 3 quid worth the peace of mind that your motor won't shít itself on the side of the road?

MugMugs

mfceiling wrote: »

You put in 50 litres which is 6 cents (example) a litre cheaper.........is 3 quid worth the peace of mind that your motor won't shít itself on the side of the road?

Good point. In my case its 2 cent. 1 euro saving. Big deal!

Sid_Justice

MugMugs wrote: »

Washed Diesel is generally cheaper than regular Diesel and will damage your engine. There have been a number of washing plants found in the north and south lately. Take from that what you need.


700 post.

Like what happens. Is it normal diesel, then it gets dyed by revenue to distinguish it from full-tax diesel? Does the dye make any difference to the functioning or is it just the colour? So is it the removal process that makes it ****tier diesel or what?

Like if you put green tractor disesel (i think it's green) in a diesel passat would it work completely perfectly (but would just be illegal)?

polod

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Like if you put green tractor disesel (i think it's green) in a diesel passat would it work completely perfectly (but would just be illegal)?

Now why would you want to know something like that ? :pac:


course it would ive seen people pull up at petrol stations and fill up with marked oil no shame in them.

IPushButtons

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

My uncle, 5th person down on list, just flat out told me and my dad not to buy that stuff.

Didn't ask questions as I presume he knows what he's talking about.

kceire wrote: »

of course he would.
where did he recommend you buy instead? Tesco or Applegreen?

He does have a Phd, what kinda phd have you got Kcerire ?

Sid_Justice

polod wrote: »

Now why would you want to know something like that ? :pac:


course it would ive seen people pull up at petrol stations and fill up with marked oil no shame in them.

because i want to know what the petrochemical properties of the substance. This entire thread is all nudge, nudge, wink, wink, it's as if everyone here is completely retarded. It appears it's the sulphuric acid used to remove the dye can damage the engine (as you'd expect).

johnos1984

Sid_Justice wrote: »

because i want to know what the petrochemical properties of the substance.

The problem is nobody actually knows what the mix is in any particular loads of washed diesel as it's not exactly QC checked by the people washing it. Some of it can actually be harmless enough for your engine. The problems occur when it is washed incorrectly.

Sid_Justice wrote: »

This entire thread is all nudge, nudge, wink, wink, it's as if everyone here is completely retarded.

That's because the thread title contains a name of a business and nobody wants to make a libelous accusation that may or may not be true.

Monty.

johnos1984 wrote: »

The problem is nobody actually knows what the mix is in any particular loads of washed diesel as it's not exactly QC checked by the people washing it. Some of it can actually be harmless enough for your engine. The problems occur when it is washed incorrectly.

That's because the thread title contains a name of a business and nobody wants to make a libelous accusation that may or may not be true.

I used to always buy only the cheapest diesel possible. I used to pride myself on it.
But I've known several cars that have needed big repair bills, pumps, injectors etc. going after using "cheap" diesel over a sustained period of time, and lots of small things going wrong like prematurely eaten through leak off hoses etc. It's like playing the lotto with your expensive mechanicals, not really worth it to save a maximum of about €2 per week. More modern diesel cars are even less tolerant of the stuff. It’s a classic case of false economy. Much as it kills me to pay the big boys the extra, I also find my engine runs much sweeter and smoother, and gets a couple of extra mpg on the quality brand name stuff. There is a difference in diesels. This country is awash with nasty shyte diesel.

Gumbo

IPushButtons wrote: »

He does have a Phd, what kinda phd have you got Kcerire ?

Since you've asked, Ive a PHD in this

The OP took it as a joke, as intended, now i suggest you go back to your wardrobe and put your sarcasim coat back on

Its a bit like me telling boards.ie that they should stay away from Tesco as the wash their fruit and veg in toilet water, seriously my uncle told me, he is a CEO of Dunnes Stores

markens2

My Da does a lot of driving for work and he started buying diesel in a cheap garage in the Ballymount area.

He recently got the car serviced and the mechanic was able to tell that he was using washed diesel and told him to stop.

He was driving the other day and heard a very strange noise. The mechanic has informed him that the injectors are gone and he's looking at 2000+ to fix them.

Mechanic is in no doubt that this happened as a result of dodgy diesel.

Has he any recourse or will he be pissing against the wind?

Monty.

markens2 wrote: »

My Da does a lot of driving for work and he started buying diesel in a cheap garage in the Ballymount area.

He recently got the car serviced and the mechanic was able to tell that he was using washed diesel and told him to stop.

He was driving the other day and heard a very strange noise. The mechanic has informed him that the injectors are gone and he's looking at 2000+ to fix them.

Mechanic is in no doubt that this happened as a result of dodgy diesel.

Has he any recourse or will he be pissing against the wind?

If he has only bought diesel in the one place, still has all his receipts, and is willing to send a sample or two off for testing, then he might have a case. Otherwise no, they've got away with it.

MugMugs

Sid_Justice wrote: »

MugMugs wrote: »

Washed Diesel is generally cheaper than regular Diesel and will damage your engine. There have been a number of washing plants found in the north and south lately. Take from that what you need.


700 post.

Like what happens. Is it normal diesel, then it gets dyed by revenue to distinguish it from full-tax diesel? Does the dye make any difference to the functioning or is it just the colour? So is it the removal process that makes it ****tier diesel or what?

Like if you put green tractor disesel (i think it's green) in a diesel passat would it work completely perfectly (but would just be illegal)?

The dye is removed with cat litter and is harmless generally. The additives diluting the Diesel can harm the Injectors. The conversion of Home Oil is a different story and very damaging to a vehicle.

-Chris-

Sid_Justice wrote: »

it's as if everyone here is completely retarded.

Relax and take a deep, deep breath before posting in this thread again.

howdoyouknow

I don't know if the brand name at the pumps makes a difference or not.

I was told of a petrol station here in donegal that is branded by one of the big oil companies but buys his fuel from whichever supplier is cheapest.
It is still sold out more expensive than some other pumps in donegal.

I thought that as a branded station you would have some sort of contract to only buy your fuel from whoevers name is on your forecourt. Can anyone confirm if this is the case or not?

deandean

Well thanks for the input everybody.

Since posting I am now aware of several first-hand reported accounts of engine problems following use of 'cheap diesel'. I am tempted to take a fuel sample and send it for analysis but it's about 300 Euro - no ROI there.

Obviously some of the reported problems could be coincidental and may be due to normal wear and tear.

I for one am gonna stick with branded fuel, as is the general advice in the thread. Paying 5c extra per litre for branded diesel works out at about 100Euro per anum which wouldn't even get me in the door of a fuel injection specialist.

I just hope the branded fuel I use is not from one of the 66 stations reported for retailing laundered diesel!

deandean

fryup

deandean wrote: »

I just hope the branded fuel I use is not from one of the 66 stations reported for retailing laundered diesel!

deandean

can these be named and shamed (not here but.. a link if you have one)