America threaten to cancel J1 Visa programme

Spacedog

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0818/passport.html

Yanks arrestin' our kids for goin' on the lash?
Playin' hardball on J1s.

If you're under 21, USA may as well be Saudi Arabia for the want of a pint.
This is exactly what the terrorists want.

I thought we had a 'special relationship' with the US? or is that just when they want a no questions asked stopover for their "pro-golfers" in orange jumpsuits.

No Visas = No Shannon

chin_grin

USA is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO five years ago. Australia and Canada are where it's at now!

TheZohanS

Can you show the text where the US have threatened the J1? Because it's not in the article.

My name is URL

Playing hardball? If they're caught altering their passports they should be booted the fcuk out.

discus

Spacedog wrote: »

I thought we had a 'special relationship' with the US?

We do, but it turns out that irish students are thick enough to try alter the most important personal document they will ever possess.

poisonated

Did I miss something? Where does it say that they threaten to cancel J1. Some idiots have gotten arrested for modifying their passport.

LilyCullen

No-where in that article does it even suggest the USA are threatening to cancel the Visa programme.

c_man

Stupid kids. Go to some dodgy Spanish resort for a mad lash session, not altering your passports in a country that will throw you in Oz for having a sip at 19.

stovelid

If the cheap source of shit American college clothing and zany Cape Cod tales for students is cut off, there will be campus anarchy.

We could be looking at Paris '69 again.

jester77

wtf, these kids are in the US, US law applies. If they have an issue with the law then don't go there. If they want to spend the summer drinking beer, then either stay at home or go to a country where the legal age allows it :rolleyes:

Rawhead

My name is URL wrote: »

Playing hardball? If they're caught altering their passports they should be booted the fcuk out.

And then refused entry here for damage to the passports.

stovelid

Spacedog wrote: »

No Visas = No Shannon

Aye, the holiday arrangements of middle-class students are really factored into our foreign policy towards the states.

Spacedog

From TFA:

USI President Gary Redmond says the union fears cases such as this could put the future of the J1 visa under threat.

Gary Redmond, who is directly involved with the situation, is shitting his pants with fear for the future of the J1 visa.

Why would he say this this without basis from his correspondence with US representatives? you think he's taking the piss? if so, does he deserve to keep his job?

Minstrel27

They should have their passports taken from them. Idiots.

Spacedog

stovelid wrote: »

Aye, the holiday arrangements of middle-class students are really factored into our foreign policy towards the states.

don't go all commie preechie with me.

J1s are working Visas, service industry usually.

Spacedog

Minstrel27 wrote: »

They should have their passports taken from them. Idiots.

for what?, wantin' to buy a pint? it's not like they're raiding fort knox here. Political Correctness Gone Mad I say.

TheZohanS

Spacedog wrote: »

From TFA:



Gary Redmond, who is directly involved with the situation, is shitting his pants with fear for the future of the J1 visa.

Why would he say this this without basis from his correspondence with US representatives? you think he's taking the piss? if so, does he deserve to keep his job?

So the US haven't threatened anything. Maybe you should change the thread title.

stovelid

Spacedog wrote: »

don't go all commie preechie with me.

J1s are working Visas, service industry usually.

And the government will say to the Yanks:

You can't use Shannon because of the way you treated a couple of drunk busboys and waitresses for altering their passports?

df1985

I waited till I was 21 till i did my j1, problem solved.

Miguel_Sanchez

They altered their passports?

What a bunch of morons.

Kensington

Spacedog wrote: »

for what?, wantin' to buy a pint? it's not like they're raiding fort knox here. Political Correctness Gone Mad I say.

You go to a foreign country, you abide by their rules.
Don't like it? Don't go.

Minstrel27

Spacedog wrote: »

for what?, wantin' to buy a pint? it's not like they're raiding fort knox here. Political Correctness Gone Mad I say.

Altering their passports. Buying a pint has nothing to do with it. Besides, if alcohol was all important then why go to a country where it is illegal for them to purchase alcohol.

KTRIC

The enforcement of laws in Ireland is a joke, people get the shock of their lives when they leave and realise they actually have to abide by the laws other countries enforce.

MitchKoobski

You'd want to be a feckin idiot for altering your passport. Everyone knows you just try get away with them mixing up the date of birth on it.

One of the lads went over last year on his J1. Not sure what ID he was using but his Date of birth is 1-10-1989, and read as such on the ID. Over here it reads 1st October. In Ameeeeeerica it'll read as 10th January, so they assumed he was 21 the whole time.

Just gotta make sure you're not born after the 12th! Simple surely?:pac:

Sonics2k

Spacedog wrote: »

for what?, wantin' to buy a pint? it's not like they're raiding fort knox here. Political Correctness Gone Mad I say.

How is any of this political correctness.

They broke a Federal Law.

Altering passports may not be seen as the biggest deal here, but it's a major crime and problem in the U.S.

My name is URL

If they're that desperate for a pint then why don't they do what millions of Americans do and buy a fake ID? Or better still, get to know the locals and the people who work in the bars they visit. It's really not even that difficult to get served, in my experience. They must look incredibly young.

munchkin_utd

the article does not mention the US cancelling the J1 programme or a threat of cancelling.

and its not irish with dodgy passports which may be causing the univeral acceptance of an irish passport into question.

Its dodgy countries sending their spies on missions abroad with Irish passports which I (as a citizen abroad) am FAR more worried about.

Spacedog

Kensington wrote: »

You go to a foreign country, you abide by their rules.
Don't like it? Don't go.

and when their planes are landing here they play by our rules?
it's give and take, you smuggle your torture victims with no questions, 17 yearolds go out on the lash no questions. the only mistake was that they had the courtesy of lashing a sticker on the passport to facilitate this arrangement.

It's just a sticker for gods sake. they are not hiding their identity or stealing anything. only being good consumers. and that my communist friends is what America is all about. if you don't like it, go back to Cuba!

Spacedog

munchkin_utd wrote: »

the article does not mention the US cancelling the J1 programme or a threat of cancelling.

and its not irish with dodgy passports which may be causing the univeral acceptance of an irish passport into question.

Its dodgy countries sending their spies on missions abroad with Irish passports which I (as a citizen abroad) am FAR more worried about.

reported for antisemitism.

Spacedog

Sonics2k wrote: »

How is any of this political correctness.

They broke a Federal Law.

Altering passports may not be seen as the biggest deal here, but it's a major crime and problem in the U.S.

Haven't you even seen 'Machete'?

MitchKoobski

Can a mod fix the thread title?

OP is currently trying to compare buying a pint while under 21 in America to smuggling a prisoner.

Kensington

Spacedog wrote: »

and when their planes are landing here they play by our rules?
it's give and take, you smuggle your torture victims with no questions, 17 yearolds go out on the lash no questions. the only mistake was that they had the courtesy of lashing a sticker on the passport to facilitate this arrangement.

It's just a sticker for gods sake. they are not hiding their identity or stealing anything. only being good consumers. and that my communist friends is what America is all about. if you don't like it, go back to Cuba!

As long as they are not torturing people here then I am afraid that legally, they are doing nothing wrong.

These students are modifying a legal document. I don't think you understand the seriousness of it. Try heading to Oz with a dodgy passport. Or Canada. They don't take a light view of it either. But hey, don't let that get in the way of a good America bashing session.

biko

USI President Gary Redmond says the union fears cases such as this could put the future of the J1 visa under threat.

That's all there is.

Non-news here but you might want to alert the peeps in the J1 forum.