Dublin - worthy of favoritism?

largepants

Looking at the prices for this years AI Football and I'm a bit confused as to why Dublin are not favourites.They are clearly a much improved side from last year where a bit of experience would have gotten them to an AI final. They played Tyrone off the park recently and while Tyrone are not as strong as previous year they are still a formidable opponent. Obviously Kerry are still there but I cannot see anyone beating the Dubs this year. We had all this talk of the top three in Ireland over the past few weeks with Kerry and Cork numbers one and two. IMO the Dubs are number 1 and will not lose the AI this year.The Dubs should be favourites. The bookies have this priced up wrongly.

dcr22B

In one word, no.

One good performance does not make us AI favourites especially with Kerry still in the mix.

Fr Tod Umptious

largepants wrote: »

Looking at the prices for this years AI Football and I'm a bit confused as to why Dublin are not favourites.They are clearly a much improved side from last year where a bit of experience would have gotten them to an AI final. They played Tyrone off the park recently and while Tyrone are not as strong as previous year they are still a formidable opponent. Obviously Kerry are still there but I cannot see anyone beating the Dubs this year. We had all this talk of the top three in Ireland over the past few weeks with Kerry and Cork numbers one and two. IMO the Dubs are number 1 and will not lose the AI this year.The Dubs should be favourites. The bookies have this priced up wrongly.

Well if you are that convinced they will win, and that the 'bookies' have it all wrong, then take advantage now and back them.

If Mayo beat Kerry on Sunday the Dubs will instantly become hot favs. so jump on that good action from the bookies before it is too late.

iwasonbwh

Let the hype begin! Seriously though if kerry beat mayo neither dublin or donegal will beat them

largepants

I have backed Dublin earlier in the week. Kerry have only played well in one half of football against top oppostion this year yet they are odds on simply because of tradition. Dublin are a better all round team.

skregs

Donegal Mayo final - NAP

Fr Tod Umptious

largepants wrote: »

I have backed Dublin earlier in the week. Kerry have only played well in one half of football against top oppostion this year yet they are odds on simply because of tradition. Dublin are a better all round team.

Well what are you trying to do then, hype up the Dubs so that it will drive down the price for everyone else ?

So that you can then go "Ha HA I got them at such and such a price" IF they win the AI ?.

Sport isn't played on paper..... If you think a price is too big take it.
It makes no ends who it is or what sport its in, it has no bearing on the result(I took Mayo at 33s :pac:)

LostBoy101

I couldn't trust Dublin with a pint as they usually screw up so take it with your own risk.

largepants

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well what are you trying to do then, hype up the Dubs so that it will drive down the price for everyone else ?

So that you can then go "Ha HA I got them at such and such a price" IF they win the AI ?.

Its a discussion board therefore I'm asking peoples opinions on whether they think Dublin should be favourites. And I'm sure PP values my opinion so much that he'll cut Dublins price when he hears that my money is down.Yea and I can't wait to come on here and laugh in your general direction when I'm proved right. That'll be the first thing on my mind. (sarcasm alert)Did someone eat your weetabix or are you always like this?

hisholinessnb

Kerry are quite rightly favourites in my opinion.

DoctaDee

largepants wrote: »

Looking at the prices for this years AI Football and I'm a bit confused as to why Dublin are not favourites.They are clearly a much improved side from last year where a bit of experience would have gotten them to an AI final. They played Tyrone off the park recently and while Tyrone are not as strong as previous year they are still a formidable opponent. Obviously Kerry are still there but I cannot see anyone beating the Dubs this year. We had all this talk of the top three in Ireland over the past few weeks with Kerry and Cork numbers one and two. IMO the Dubs are number 1 and will not lose the AI this year.The Dubs should be favourites. The bookies have this priced up wrongly.

Strange thing is ... that havin Dublin a heavy odds on favourite will make them no more or less likely to win an AI. PP odds reflect the betting trends throughout the country and I haveta say they rarely get it wrong ..

On a related note .. anyone remember the PP Cheltenham money back specials the last 2 years .... Dunquib and Cue Card :eek:, if they won all other losing bets refunded.. bookies are there to make ya rich ya know!! lol

aidan24326

The bookies aint stupid and there's a good reason why Kerry are favourites. They've done what Kerry teams so often did in the past, cruised into the semi finals without hardly breaking a sweat, and I feel they have another gear in them when it's needed.

Of the 4 teams left, Dublin are the only realistic alternative, but I just don't know if Dublin would have enough to actually beat Kerry. There wouldn't be a whole lot in it but I think Kerry would just have that extra bit of guile and experience, not to mention a better forward line.

Mayo have no real chance of beating Kerry and neither would Donegal.

DoctaDee

aidan24326 wrote: »

.........Mayo have no real chance of beating Kerry and neither would Donegal.

Ah yer a bit harsh there brother ... ya wouldn't have thought Down would turn them over last year .... I think Mayo have a good chance of causing an upset .. need the O'Sheas in midfield playing well, Mortimer hasta play and maintain discipline inside their own 45 as Sheehan will kick those frees for fun. If the odds are reasonable (7/2 ?) they're worth a score ... on the other hand Donegal haven't a hope :rolleyes: .... lol

rossie1977

why in your opinion should dublin be favourites?? they haven't reached an ireland final since 1995 and on the other side of the draw you have kerry who have won 6 all ireland titles since then and mayo who have reached 4 finals in that time

donegal and dublin have BOTH beaten tyrone and kildare this year so i don't see why dublin should be that far ahead of donegal in the betting either quite frankly

hisholinessnb

Well said Rossie, and I think you will find the Dublin fans who see the team as favourites to win the AI or even strong favourites to beat Donegal are in the minority. Most of us are realistic despite what others might like to think.

keane2097

DoctaDee wrote: »

Ah yer a bit harsh there brother ... ya wouldn't have thought Down would turn them over last year .... I think Mayo have a good chance of causing an upset .. need the O'Sheas in midfield playing well, Mortimer hasta play and maintain discipline inside their own 45 as Sheehan will kick those frees for fun. If the odds are reasonable (7/2 ?) they're worth a score ... on the other hand Donegal haven't a hope :rolleyes: .... lol

Uh-oh

DoctaDee

keane2097 wrote: »

Uh-oh

Is he defo out ?

Uncle Mclovin

largepants wrote: »

Looking at the prices for this years AI Football and I'm a bit confused as to why Dublin are not favourites.They are clearly a much improved side from last year where a bit of experience would have gotten them to an AI final. They played Tyrone off the park recently and while Tyrone are not as strong as previous year they are still a formidable opponent. Obviously Kerry are still there but I cannot see anyone beating the Dubs this year. We had all this talk of the top three in Ireland over the past few weeks with Kerry and Cork numbers one and two. IMO the Dubs are number 1 and will not lose the AI this year.The Dubs should be favourites. The bookies have this priced up wrongly.

It's funny how ye Dublin fans forget so quickly.... Well don't worry I will refresh your mind. See back in 2009 Dublin stormed to the 1/4 final and the media thought were the bees knees hence convincing a lot of Dublin fans. The media also assumed that Kerry were finished and were going to roll over for Dublin and let them win their first All Ireland in 14 years. Well a small little ginger haired man wearing number 13 for Kerry had other ideas and the rest as they say is history.


Now do you not see that you are falling into the same trap all over again. Donegal will no doubt be a lot more up for the game than Tyrone were and if Diarmuid Connolly ever plays a game like that again I will eat my hat. Both semis will be a lot more closer than people think. A Kerry Dublin final is no certainty. But of course if you want to waste your money stick it on Dublin as soon as you can and sure while your at it back them to do the four in a row.


Note: I understand this could come back to bite me in the ass.

dcr22B

Uncle Mclovin, the OP is a Kildare fan NOT a Dublin fan.

gaelic cowboy

Right the OP is are they worthy of the favoritism tag hmm, I would say yes for now but ye would be better off worrying about that after the semi

Carthy303

Kerry are favourites and should be too IMO. They've got the advantage of having been there and done it over the Dublin panel. Also, the Tyrone game was the first performance of note from Dublin this year and we have yet to see them put games like that back to back. Even last year for example, blitzed Tyrone in a 1/4 final only to collapse against Cork in a semi-final. Anyway the Dubs don't carry the tag of favouritism too well so if I was a Dublin supporter I wouldn't be too upset by it. It's been mentioned already too that the bookies rarely get it wrong.

hisholinessnb

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

It's funny how ye Dublin fans forget so quickly.... Well don't worry I will refresh your mind. See back in 2009 Dublin stormed to the 1/4 final and the media thought were the bees knees hence convincing a lot of Dublin fans. The media also assumed that Kerry were finished and were going to roll over for Dublin and let them win their first All Ireland in 14 years. Well a small little ginger haired man wearing number 13 for Kerry had other ideas and the rest as they say is history.


Now do you not see that you are falling into the same trap all over again. Donegal will no doubt be a lot more up for the game than Tyrone were and if Diarmuid Connolly ever plays a game like that again I will eat my hat. Both semis will be a lot more closer than people think. A Kerry Dublin final is no certainty. But of course if you want to waste your money stick it on Dublin as soon as you can and sure while your at it back them to do the four in a row.


Note: I understand this could come back to bite me in the ass.

You might have a point if the OP was actually a Dub and not a Kildare man !!!

Why not read what us Dubs have posted here if you want to see how Dublin fans really see things.

you may feel a tad silly after that post.

rossie1977

rossie1977 wrote: »

why in your opinion should dublin be favourites?? they haven't reached an ireland final since 1995 and on the other side of the draw you have kerry who have won 6 all ireland titles since then and mayo who have reached 4 finals in that time

donegal and dublin have BOTH beaten tyrone and kildare this year so i don't see why dublin should be that far ahead of donegal in the betting either quite frankly

Not a Dub but it doesn't really matter what happened in 1995 or even as close as 2008 such is the turnover in these squads.

It's a new year and history counts for nothing in sport(it's ability that wins out).
If you spent your time judging everything on past glories you'll find yourself looking silly more often then not.

keane2097

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Not a Dub but it doesn't really matter what happened in 1995 or even as close as 2008 such is the turnover in these squads.

It's a new year and history counts for nothing in sport(it's ability that wins out).
If you spent your time judging everything on past glories you'll find yourself looking silly more often then not.

Not if you used the past to tell you that Kerry pretty much always win.

keane2097

keane2097 wrote: »

Not if you used the past to tell you that Kerry pretty much always win.

The past is the past and it doesn't count for anything tomorrow.
If I flip a coin 20 times and heads comes up 19 times does that mean it has a better chance of coming up next?.

Kerry won those cups from having the better team.... not by the grace of God or the colour of their jerseys, if this was the case then they could stick out 15 milkmen and still win, would you agree that wouldn't work?.

My argument is just you can't base a teams potential on what happened when 90% of the current players weren't even playing.

How many do Dublin have from 2009 playing now?.... I looked over it and only recognise 4/5 maybe 6....

If sport was played in history books then a team like Man City regardless of how good their current squad is have no hope of competing .... and a nobody like Bradley wouldn't have won the US PGA last weekend.

Kerry could win it again this year, I'm only saying it's stupid to base a team's chances on the back of a different group many years ago.

aidan24326

DoctaDee wrote: »

Ah yer a bit harsh there brother ... ya wouldn't have thought Down would turn them over last year .... I think Mayo have a good chance of causing an upset .. need the O'Sheas in midfield playing well, Mortimer hasta play and maintain discipline inside their own 45 as Sheehan will kick those frees for fun. If the odds are reasonable (7/2 ?) they're worth a score ... on the other hand Donegal haven't a hope :rolleyes: .... lol

I wasn't meaning to be harsh, just realistic.

As a Galwayman I'd be delighted to see Mayo win a long-overdue All-Ireland but I don't see it happening this year. It's a curse that they have to play the old nemesis again. I think it will be closer than those two awful finals but I can't see anything other than a Kerry win.

However this isn't the best Kerry team by any means, they've a top class forward line but their midfield isn't great and there are question marks over the fullback line aswell. Whether Mayo are good enough to exploit that is another matter. I do think Mayo are going in the right direction though and in James Horan they've found an excellent manager.

I stand by what I said about Donegal though. They were fortunate to beat Kildare and they won't be winning any All-Irelands this year. (Kerry would eat them imo).

Uncle Mclovin

hisholinessnb wrote: »

You might have a point if the OP was actually a Dub and not a Kildare man !!!

Why not read what us Dubs have posted here if you want to see how Dublin fans really see things.

you may feel a tad silly after that post.

I do feel a small bit silly but sure what can you do.


Anyway my point wasn't just aimed at the OP. I've heard a lot of people suggesting Dublin should be favourites which I think is well off the mark.

keane2097

gilberto_eire wrote: »

The past is the past and it doesn't count for anything tomorrow.
If I flip a coin 20 times and heads comes up 19 times does that mean it has a better chance of coming up next?.

Kerry won those cups from having the better team.... not by the grace of God or the colour of their jerseys, if this was the case then they could stick out 15 milkmen and still win, would you agree that wouldn't work?.

My argument is just you can't base a teams potential on what happened when 90% of the current players weren't even playing.

How many do Dublin have from 2009 playing now?.... I looked over it and only recognise 4/5 maybe 6....

If sport was played in history books then a team like Man City regardless of how good their current squad is have no hope of competing .... and a nobody like Bradley wouldn't have won the US PGA last weekend.

Kerry could win it again this year, I'm only saying it's stupid to base a team's chances on the back of a different group many years ago.

The past doesn't have the zero net impact you attribute to it.

Down's history against Kerry certainly had an impact in their win against them last year, with many players citing it as one of their main motivations to repeat the task.

Similarly, analysis of Mayo's hiding in 2006 is certainly informed by the result in 2004.

Dublin's history of buckling under pressure will have a non-zero impact on the mental state of the current panel as they prepare for the rest of the year, as players who have both been culprits and who weren't involved at all will certainly feel extra pressure not to succumb to the same pressures.

Dismissing the past is essentially attempting to dismiss psychology, and psychology is an enormously important factor in football.

keane2097

keane2097 wrote: »

The past doesn't have the zero net impact you attribute to it.

Down's history against Kerry certainly had an impact in their win against them last year, with many players citing it as one of their main motivations to repeat the task.

Similarly, analysis of Mayo's hiding in 2006 is certainly informed by the result in 2004.

Dublin's history of buckling under pressure will have a non-zero impact on the mental state of the current panel as they prepare for the rest of the year, as players who have both been culprits and who weren't involved at all will certainly feel extra pressure not to succumb to the same pressures.

Dismissing the past is essentially attempting to dismiss psychology, and psychology is an enormously important factor in football.

Mayo lost those two games because they had the weaker team end off.

The colour of your jersey of an imaginary county border line don't come into the equation when analysing a players mental capacity.

You cited a few mere examples whereas there are 10 times more where the supposed no hoper went and did the ''impossible'' bridging the gap.

Moving to last years All-Ireland hadn't Down NEVER lost a final whereas Cork were the supposed bottlers?... what happened to the psychology factor there?

What about the Dublin hurlers winning the league and making a semi this year after losing to Antrim last year?

Again I repeat the only form that counts for this years championship is this years form.
With that in mind Mayo as much as I'd like them to win it, have a black mark beside them looking at the Galway and London games.

I'd agree with you psychology plays a part though, but you have to apply it to the individual and not the individuals shirt colour.
In that regard Dublin have nothing to fear at present, they've had a solid year.

keane2097

I'm not interested in writing a 20 page treatise on this one, so you can say you've won the argument if you like.

I'm still right though obv.

rossie1977

gilberto_eire wrote: »

How many do Dublin have from 2009 playing now?.... I looked over it and only recognise 4/5 maybe 6....

of those that started last day against tyrone cluxton, bastick, cahill, cullen, flynn, alan brogan, bernie brogan and connolly all started against kerry in 2009, mcconnell started in 2009 and came on as sub against tyrone

keane2097

keane2097 wrote: »

I'm not interested in writing a 20 page treatise on this one, so you can say you've won the argument if you like.

I'm still right though obv.

That's the most pathetic post I've ever read on here, and that includes those really annoying Tipp hurling posters.

Right buddy you're correct, it's 99% history and 1% ability, let's just disregard concrete proof.
:rolleyes:

keane2097

gilberto_eire wrote: »

That's the most pathetic post I've ever read on here, and that includes those really annoying Tipp hurling posters.

Right buddy you're correct, it's 99% history and 1% ability, let's just disregard concrete proof.
:rolleyes:

Derp, that's genuinely what you took from my post?

The repeated use of "non-zero" didn't seep through your skull at all?

Drooler.

keane2097

keane2097 wrote: »

Derp, that's genuinely what you took from my post?

The repeated use of "non-zero" didn't seep through your skull at all?

Drooler.

What age are you?

Maybe you're spending too much time acting like a child on a forum, that you don't realise how pathetic it is!!.

keane2097

gilberto_eire wrote: »

What age are you?

Maybe you're spending too much time acting like a child on a forum, that you don't realise how pathetic it is!!.

Yeah maybe!!!1!!.

DoctaDee

rossie1977 wrote: »

of those that started last day against tyrone cluxton, bastick, cahill, cullen, flynn, alan brogan, bernie brogan and connolly all started against kerry in 2009, mcconnell started in 2009 and came on as sub against tyrone

It isn't so much the change in players, but the change in the system that will count. In actual fact the 17 point drubbin was probably the starting point of the blanket/swarm defence. This has been supplemented with fast flowing attacking football .. mightn't be good enough to win every game .. but the hidings of 2008&2009 should be a thing of the past

Het-Field

rossie1977 wrote: »

of those that started last day against tyrone cluxton, bastick, cahill, cullen, flynn, alan brogan, bernie brogan and connolly all started against kerry in 2009, mcconnell started in 2009 and came on as sub against tyrone

Bastick. Originally a Center Midfield. Attempts were made to convert him into a full back. These attempts were aborted. He is now in his rightful position

Cahill. Has been moved into the half forwards as a box-to-box player. The job he has been employed to do has changed radically from 2009.

Cullen. A player who was being wasted at Center-Half. Like Bastick, he has returned to his original, and rightful position.

A.Brogan. Now playing in the half forwards. He enjoys far more possession, and is not isolated by slow ball.

B.Brogan. Against Kerry he was returned to the half-forward line, thus fettering his ability to find himself in scoring positions

Connolly. A different player, and a different mentality from 2009.

The entire back-line has been changed, and that was required as it was a misfunctioning backline which cost Dublin in 2009. They simply couldnt get the ball beyond the half-back line. In midfield Dublin have also improved with the introduction of McCauley for McGee. Remember, McGee had stated that year that an AllIreland medal for Crokes would be preferential to one for Dublin.

7 new players have been introduced to the team, while Paul Flynn and Stephen Cluxton are the only players who remain in the positions they occupied in 2009. Gilroy and Whelan have adopted a new system, which has proven reasonably successful.

The 2009 game in no longer relevant. Many of the players who played that day are no longer even in the panel due to retirement, injury or de-selection.

Het-Field

Uncle Mclovin wrote: »

I do feel a small bit silly but sure what can you do.


Anyway my point wasn't just aimed at the OP. I've heard a lot of people suggesting Dublin should be favourites which I think is well off the mark.

But that is not hype. That is simply people speculating, and it happens prior to every match. Considering Dublin's robust victory against Tyrone, the tag of favourites would be ostensibly justified. I conjecture that if Kerry or Cork had racked up 22 scores against Tyrone, with 19 from play, pundits would be using that as the basis for their belief that either side would be strolling to an AI. Nobody is saying that about Dublin, however, it has been used as a justifiable basis to consider Dublin favourites for the semi.

No Dub is counting their chickens.

largepants

I'm a Kildare man so I'm writing from a neutral point of view.

I honestly believe this Dublin team will come of age this year. Some people argue that Kerry have the better forwards however I think the Dubs have the capacity to deal with Kerry with the way they play. I don't think the Kerry backs and midfield is as strong as the Dubs. Two positions come to mind straight away. I can't see Brosnan getting the better of Alan Brogan and I can't see O'Mahony living with Flynn. Of course Bernard Brogan will be his usual self and if Connolly repeats his heroics of the last day it can be argued that maybe the Dublin forward line can be as effective as the Kerry one.

This is not an attempt to hype Dublin up or diss any of the other teams. They are all there on merit. However I'm convinced that the Dubs are best equipped to win it out.

Maybe I'll end up with egg on my face but at this moment in time thats how I see it.

rossie1977

Het-Field wrote: »

The 2009 game in no longer relevant. Many of the players who played that day are no longer even in the panel due to retirement, injury or de-selection.

its very relevant, a few positional changes..come on vast majority of players playing in 2009 are still playing today, arguing that players as talented as the brogans would somehow not function if they were moved between half and full forward, in 2009 dublin were big favourites to win that kerry match, hype in the county was through the roof before the game, dublin hadn't even conceded a goal before the game, kerry had struggled to beat sligo 2 weeks earlier down in killarney (a match they should have lost), antrim and longford in earlier rounds, i was at that game in 2009 match was over after 15 mins

its not just dublin fans but one win creates too much hype, 2 weeks ago on here most dublin fans were unsure of beating tyrone, i was talking to a couple of dubs the week previous and they all were going for tyrone, when i said on here dublin would win comfortably if tyrone played like they did against roscommmon most disagreed, now the same dublin fans think dublin should be favourites for the whole thing, one extreme to the other after just one game

Het-Field

rossie1977 wrote: »

its very relevant, a few positional changes..come on vast majority of players playing in 2009 are still playing today, arguing that players as talented as the brogans would somehow not function if they were moved between half and full forward, in 2009 dublin were big favourites to win that kerry match, hype in the county was through the roof before the game, dublin hadn't even conceded a goal before the game, kerry had struggled to beat sligo 2 weeks earlier down in killarney (a match they should have lost), antrim and longford in earlier rounds, i was at that game in 2009 match was over after 15 mins

Dublin were big favourites on the basis of a strong win, with 14 men, over a decent Kildare team. As you have said, Kerry had struggled, and in 2008 they had lost their AI Title, thus causing the commentariat to question whether the great Kerry team of the noughties was finished.


However the Dublin team was still riddled with players who had been heavily involved in a variety of Dublin implosions since Paul Bealin's missed penalty against Meath in 1997.

The 2009 team was a remoulded version of Paul Caffery's team, which spiked in 2007, and the extent of its ability was an honourable defeat to an excellent Kerry team. Gilroy also attempted to stick square pegs in round holes by selecting Andrews as left corner back, and Bastick at full-back. The League had already demonstrated that the backline was very frail. Save for Cluxton, the back six which took the field that day against Kerry is no more. While Bastick, Cahill and Cullen are still playing, two have been moved to the forwards, where Cahill's role has been radically redefined.

Interestingly, Bernard Brogan has always played better in the full forwards. This has been the case in the league and the Championship. His statistics reflect that.

Seeking to claim that this is the same team is understandable, but it is a superficial claim. The back 6 is wholly different. McCauley has added an extra dimension to the midfield, while Connolly's has been praised some of his contributions, and his improved work-rate. Further, the system has changed radically. In 2009 Dublin employed a common-or garden long ball game, mixed with slipshod attempts to play it out of defence. Now, Dublin have employed a new system, mixed with a great degree of fitness.

Different times prevail. While I believe Kerry would still beat Dublin, it would be nothing like the 2009 victory, when the likes of Sherlock, Keaney, Whelan, Ryan etc were shown that they had reached the end of the line.

rossie1977 wrote: »

its not just dublin fans but one win creates too much hype, 2 weeks ago on here most dublin fans were unsure of beating tyrone, i was talking to a couple of dubs the week previous and they all were going for tyrone, when i said on here dublin would win comfortably if tyrone played like they did against roscommmon most disagreed, now the same dublin fans think dublin should be favourites for the whole thing, one extreme to the other after just one game

Well my experience has been quite different, and no Dublin fan I have met has suggested that we are in line to take Sam. Donegal will provide a new test. Equally, save for a few random intermittent Dublin sympathetic posters, the vast majority of the resident Dublin posters have rejected any talk of internal favouritism as far as Sam Maguire is concerned.

DoctaDee

That's an excellent insightful reply hetfield you encapsulated the changing face of Dublin football and the players roles very well.

keane2097

Het-Field's posts about Dublin are full of win.

DoctaDee

keane2097 wrote: »

Het-Field's posts about Dublin are full of win.

... what's that all about ?

keane2097

DoctaDee wrote: »

... what's that all about ?

It's a statement of appreciation of the quality of the named poster's contributions on the named topic.

DoctaDee

keane2097 wrote: »

It's a statement of appreciation of the quality of the named poster's contributions on the named topic.

Oh right .. I understood that now . grand

aidan24326

keane2097 wrote: »

Dismissing the past is essentially attempting to dismiss psychology, and psychology is an enormously important factor in football.

Of course the psychological side of it is important and no-one would deny that, but you must remember that the majority of this Mayo team weren't involved in those '04 and '06 finals. So they really should forget the fact that it's Kerry and just treat it as another game. Show Kerry no respect whatsoever, get right in their faces early, like with Dublin in 2006.

DoctaDee

Watched a re-run of Tyrone/Dublin match .. not so much the match , but the closing credits on Saturday Game, showed game highlights to the strains of Journeys "Big Wheels keep on turning" ... those that went to The Grove know what I'm on about ... but anyways what an apt song :rolleyes: lol

aidan24326

Liam McHale is calling for McGarrity to start. I'm not sure, having him come on as an impact sub has worked so far so why change it. The two O'Sheas have done well and Kerry's midfield is hardly the gretaest they've ever had.

fearbainne

One word response to OPs Q... No.