Interesting statistics for deer hunters

J.R.

http://www.wilddeerireland.com/news.html




Deer Culls figures 2009 - 2010 in Ireland

dev110

:eek: that is some amount of deer but you would probably have to double the number to account for poachers

game hunter

Holy S**t that is some number .

i never taught it would be that amount .

doubt deer will be around much longer with that kind of culling .

Or am i wrong ?

It wasn't me!

Plenty more deer than that. The figures for Wicklow are probably about right for a cull for instance, but the issue is that the legally shot deer are probably not even the majority anymore. It's not legally shot and returned numbers we need to be concerned with.

doyle61

It said 23 red male deer were shot in Kerry; I didn't think you could shoot red males down there or is that just in the national park????

Tackleberrywho

doyle61 wrote: »

It said 23 red male deer were shot in Kerry; I didn't think you could shoot red males down there or is that just in the national park????

Unless under section 42 NO Red Males in Kerry.

I suspect part of the problem is inaccurate returns.
I shoot deer on several county boundaries.

I am very careful to state the correct county.
I would guess others may not be so precise as they may not know the county boundaries as well as a local would.

stick shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Unless under section 42 NO Red Males in Kerry.

I suspect part of the problem is inaccurate returns.
I shoot deer on several county boundaries.

I am very careful to state the correct county.
I would guess others may not be so precise as they may not know the county boundaries as well as a local would.

As far as i remember last year, there was a case down in kerry where someone was granted a section 42 for red stags . How or why god only knows why .

steyrprohunter

Lad those returns are nothing but bull**** with a capital B!! Not everyone puts the correct cull figure into their hunting application. Supposing someone gets 30 private sales per season, well thery're not going to write that down and have the NPWS wondering what they're doing with all the deer if no records appear in a gamedealers. Secondly since when does Carlow have red deer? If you look at the returns theres a return for red deer shot in Co. Carlow. Impossible. Ive never seen so many returns for red deer in this country. Are stalkers getting confused with hybrids and red deer? The return figure could be more like 40-50,000

rob308

On a positive note, it's good to see that in the majority of locations there are more female deer being culled than male. Obviously this can't take into account poaching, false returns etc but hopefully it's a sign of some common sense seeping through

stick shooter

steyrprohunter wrote: »

Lad those returns are nothing but bull**** with a capital B!! Not everyone puts the correct cull figure into their hunting application. Supposing someone gets 30 private sales per season, well thery're not going to write that down and have the NPWS wondering what they're doing with all the deer if no records appear in a gamedealers. Secondly since when does Carlow have red deer? If you look at the returns theres a return for red deer shot in Co. Carlow. Impossible. Ive never seen so many returns for red deer in this country. Are stalkers getting confused with hybrids and red deer? The return figure could be more like 40-50,000

Have to agree that a lot of the figures are bull **** . And as for reds in carlow I may look a bit closer for them.:D:D

Tackleberrywho

Sika in Offaly.......
Crossed the Bog of allen at night :eek:

I dare say that the returns are a tad incorrect

35 Sika.... There is the odd red, very odd and After that, Fallow Fallow Fallow

Fallow01

There were 17 sec42's granted for Red Stags in Kerry in 2009/10 - mainly to landowners in the national park but some of these were abused for money and started to show up as shooting holidays in UK shooting magazines

Found this piece on the WDAI website, there seems to be have been changes to any sec 42's for Red Stags in Kerry since?? Not sure how true the last line on poaching is - more chance pigs will fly:)

Talking to people back in Kerry there are virtually no sec 42's now issued for Red Stags and if there are a ranger must accompany the hunter when the culling is happening!


"After concerns were raised by the WDAI about the Red Deer herd in Co Kerry, NPWS have agreed to amendment the process for permits issued under section 42 of the Wildlife Acts, ensuring permits are only issued where genuine deer damage is caused and there is no abuse of permits for financial gain".


"Minister Gormley confirms meeting with the Wild Deer Association of Ireland
November 11th 2010"

Following correspondence from the Wild Deer Association of Ireland to the Minister for the Environment, John Gormley TD, and parlamentary questions on our behalf from deputies Joanna Tuffy TD, Labour Environment spokesperson and Phil Hogan TD, Fine Gael Environment spokesperson, seeking an urgent meeting with the minister and our organisation to discuss recent evidence that licences issued under section 42 of the Wildlife Act by the Minister are been abused for financial gain.

In response Minister Gormley has confirmed today" My Department will arrange to meet with the (Wild Deer Association of Ireland) in the next few weeks to discuss this issue and other matters raised in its letter".

Our correspondence to Minister Gormley related to the issuing of licences under section 42 of the wildlife acts for Red Stags in Co Kerry, who are a protected species under the Wildlife Acts, due to their international importance and low numbers, such licenses are required to cull any male Red Deer as there is no open season for culling the mature antlered stags. Licences are issued to the landowner who nominates a hunter to undertake the culling.

Culling is undertaken without any supervision or confirmation that the designated hunter was the actual person who culled the stag or how many deer were culled. This is despite the expertise and resources are available locally within the NPWS.

Following the introduction of an open season for female Red Deer in Co Kerry in 2005 due to increasing deer numbers, there is now growing concern amongst organisations such as the Wild Deer Association of Ireland and local NPWS staff that Red Deer numbers are at a dangerously low level and the current open season needs to be urgently reviewed by the Minister.

We note the Ministers reply also states "My Department is actively taking measures to combat deer poaching around the country"

Deerspotter

I know the guy that shot the red in Carlow, it was an escapee from a farm somewhere, put appears to have been living wild for maybe a year, based on wear on the hooves.
It was a 23 pointer.

4gun

doyle61 wrote: »

It said 23 red male deer were shot in Kerry; I didn't think you could shoot red males down there or is that just in the national park????

Ther were a couple of escapees from a farm, that were shot near listowel
what I looking at is the fallow returns for kerry,
I 'm wondering are these returned based on the location of the licence holder or actually where the deer was shot