Rory playing that shot !!

soundsham

I didn't hear the post round interview so I'm just wondering what was going on in his head,
You have to admire his level par round it was amazing
He was obviously striking the ball so well coming into Thursday that he knew he was in the groove from what I saw last night
Great to see the hunger just hope it want blind youthful exuberance
But I can't help but think J.P. Is in for some serious questioning by Rorys management
The player ultimately hits the shot but the caddy must hand over the club
I can see Jay Townsend in the long grass !!

The Orb

We weren't standing over the ball so it's hard to judge what the exact lie was like. However having seen the resulting damage to his club Rory can consider himself lucky that he didn't hurt himself more severely. It was youthful exuberance, cast your mind back to 1999 when Garcia played a miracle shot from a similar situation and was hailed a genius. Hindsight is wonderful, it was a mistake by Rory, but let's cut the lad some slack.

PRAF

The decision to hit that was very brave at best, downright stupid at worst. Only time will tell if it will cost him a chance to win. Hopefully not. He was very gutsy the way he hung on for the rest of the day. He had to play some tough shots with the injured wrist (plugged lies in the bunker, off the fairway and out of a hole etc.)

Good question regarding the advice of his caddy. I'm not sure how good or not JP is. You would have presumed he advised against the shot and Rory just over ruled him. Funny how caddies get blamed when things go wrong (JP, Ronan Flood etc.) but aren't allowed take any credit when things go right (Stevie Williams)

snowy666

He said he knew he'd be making contact with the root, but thought he would have enough space to make contact with the ball, then let go of the club before impacting the root (if that makes sense). Said in hindsight he should have chipped out sideways, but thought the risk to save a shot was worth it at the time.

Fair enough really and apparently there isn't any major damage - just a slight ligament strain - so he'll be right as rain with a couple of injections methinks.

Reckon it's about time we lose all caddies completely, then we'll see who's got the best course management and nobody can get blamed/praised other than the player. Would be a laugh seeing Tim Herron lugging his bag up the 18th at Augusta. :-)

LostPassword

I was very surprised when I heard him say that he was planning on releasing the club after impact and before the clubhead hit the root. He said that the root was a foot in front of the ball. With Rory's clubhead speed at impact, he had about 0.0045 seconds (clubhead speed of 150mph =~ 220 feet / second) in which to release the club after ball impact and before root impact. That's an impossibly tough tolerance for even the fastest autonomic processing of the human nervous system.

G1032

PRAF wrote: »

Funny how caddies get blamed when things go wrong (JP, Ronan Flood etc.) but aren't allowed take any credit when things go right (Stevie Williams)

Steve did well yesterday. In a tie for 13th. We'll see now if he can push on from here and challenge for the Championship. You've got to say that on current from Steve is in with a shout of winning this

AGC

The Orb wrote: »

cast your mind back to 1999 when Garcia played a miracle shot from a similar situation and was hailed a genius. Hindsight is wonderful, it was a mistake by Rory, but let's cut the lad some slack.

Different IMO, Garcia was more beside it and playing down the line whereas Rory could see exactly what would happen.

From looking at Di Dougherty:) showing the exact spot later to me it looked a crazy shot to attempt

fullstop

LostPassword wrote: »

I was very surprised when I heard him say that he was planning on releasing the club after impact and before the clubhead hit the root. He said that the root was a foot in front of the ball. With Rory's clubhead speed at impact, he had about 0.0045 seconds (clubhead speed of 150mph =~ 220 feet / second) in which to release the club after ball impact and before root impact. That's an impossibly tough tolerance for even the fastest autonomic processing of the human nervous system.

Clubhead speed of 150mph with an 8 iron?? Not a hope. It's only about 130 with a driver so is probably <100 with 8 iron.

Panrich

JP seems like a nice bloke and it's obvious that Rory and himself get on very well and that is surely part of why Rory looks so comfortable on the golf course lately but I have to say that the player/caddy relationship did not work in this instance. No matter what way you look at it, this was a bad choice of shot.

The guys on Sky were incredulous before the shot was taken and they were talking about potential injury beforehand.Monty was saying that the ball can only go straight up from this position and he cannot get to the green. He was proven right.

The caddy should have saved the player from himself in this position. If he didn't advise against the shot he was not doing his job. If the relationship means that Rory overruled his advice then he needs a caddy he can trust.

Contrast this decision with his decision to play out sideways from trees in round 3 of the US open.

blackwaterfish

video of shot:

http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/2011/multimedia/video/?q=/video/events/2011/08/11/pga_pgachamp_rd1_rory.pga

picture of actual stump:

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-tours-news/blogs/local-knowledge/blog_rory_stump_0811.jpg


f-ing stupid decision to be made by a professional & his caddy.

and on the third hole of a first round?... wtf!?

If you saw wknd duffer do that during the wknd medal youd call him a total f-ing idiot... and you'd be 100% right.

he's been hailed as some kind of maverick type hero to take on the shot and for the true grit he showed in the remaining 15 holes. what a pile of steaming sheeeee-ite.

what will he be hailed as if he's detroyed his wrist for 12 months?

but once again he's dominating the headlines... must be doing something right so. fair play rory.. youre some man to rack up the column inches.

AGC

Panrich wrote: »

JP seems like a nice bloke and it's obvious that Rory and himself get on very well and that is surely part of why Rory looks so comfortable on the golf course lately but I have to say that the player/caddy relationship did not work in this instance. No matter what way you look at it, this was a bad choice of shot.

The guys on Sky were incredulous before the shot was taken and they were talking about potential injury beforehand.Monty was saying that the ball can only go straight up from this position and he cannot get to the green. He was proven right.

The caddy should have saved the player from himself in this position. If he didn't advise against the shot he was not doing his job. If the relationship means that Rory overruled his advice then he needs a caddy he can trust.

Contrast this decision with his decision to play out sideways from trees in round 3 of the US open.

What stood out for me with JP yesterday was when Rory was in that hollow left of 13(?) and the physio was standing there shaking his head and Rory said we will see how this hole goes. Ends up with birdie but when he was back playing that shot JP was very much 'well its up to you'.

While the player will always play the shot sometimes JP might need to be a bit stronger?

I certainly think he should have had him going sideways on the 3rd. 3 holes into a major, worst case going sideways was bogey(which he made anyway) and no injury.

It would be a different story if it was the back 9 on Sunday and he felt he had to do it. He didnt have to do it on Thursday!

blackwaterfish

JP asked him to pack it in on the 12th

http://www.golfweek.com/news/2011/aug/11/commentary-mcilroy-shows-irish-grit/

AGC

Clarke asked him earlier!

blackwaterfish

AGC wrote: »

Clarke asked him earlier!

didnt know that.... fark me.

fullstop

AGC wrote: »

What stood out for me with JP yesterday was when Rory was in that hollow left of 13(?) and the physio was standing there shaking his head and Rory said we will see how this hole goes. Ends up with birdie but when he was back playing that shot JP was very much 'well its up to you.

JP was shaking his head too when Rory looked at him or did you choose to ignore that?

AGC

fullstop wrote: »

JP was shaking his head too when Rory looked at him or did you choose to ignore that?

No saw that but shaking his head isn't going to stop him, talking to him might.

Not trying to have a go at him, if Rory wants to play the shot he will but in something like that JP needs to be stronger

LostPassword

fullstop wrote: »

Clubhead speed of 150mph with an 8 iron?? Not a hope. It's only about 130 with a driver so is probably <100 with 8 iron.

Sorry - my bad. Still even at 90mph were still talking less than 0.01 seconds which is approaching possible but still on the wrong side of the line.

blue note

JP really should have taken the shot for him.

Caddies are ridiculously overrated - they carry the bag and have to know the yardages. This talk of them having to be psychologists and all that nonsense is just [EMAIL="cr@p"]cr@p[/EMAIL]. Rory shouldn't have hit that shot. It's not the caddy's fault.

boccy23

Not sure why ye're all hating on Rory. This is what he is. This is why we watch him. Every one of the other 150 odd players would have chipped out and yes, it probably was the correct play. But hey, he's 22, thinks he is the GOAT ven now and felt he could advance it and save par.

His subsequent round was possibly the greatest effort I have ever seen. To shoot level par when in pain, with a course that was getting harder, greens that were clearly getting spiked up, was unbelieveable. He was striking the ball so pure that to pull out was a non-runner for him.

G1032

blue note wrote: »

JP really should have taken the shot for him.

Caddies are ridiculously overrated - they carry the bag and have to know the yardages. This talk of them having to be psychologists and all that nonsense is just cr@p. Rory shouldn't have hit that shot. It's not the caddy's fault.

A player has to be able to trust a caddy's judgement. If he can't do that then they shouldn't be a partnership.
Caddies aren't overrated at all. In fact they are probably underrated. Why do the same caddies consistently gets the top bags? It's not because they are better able to measure yardage.....................................

Jaysoose

boccy23 wrote: »

Not sure why ye're all hating on Rory. This is what he is. This is why we watch him. Every one of the other 150 odd players would have chipped out and yes, it probably was the correct play. But hey, he's 22, thinks he is the GOAT ven now and felt he could advance it and save par.

His subsequent round was possibly the greatest effort I have ever seen. To shoot level par when in pain, with a course that was getting harder, greens that were clearly getting spiked up, was unbelieveable. He was striking the ball so pure that to pull out was a non-runner for him.

Whis is "hating" on rory people are rightly saying that the choice of shot was stupid..he had no chance of getting near the green and his caddy should have been telling him to chip out sideways.

It wasnt that impressive a round after that, fair play and all but it wasnt that good.

So in summary your post is a load of old bollox. IMO.

ssbob

G1032 wrote: »

A player has to be able to trust a caddy's judgement. If he can't do that then they shouldn't be a partnership.
Caddies aren't overrated at all. In fact they are probably underrated. Why do the same caddies consistently gets the top bags? It's not because they are better able to measure yardage.....................................

Do you remember that shot that Tiger took a few years back and bent his cub around a tree, he was lucky that the club didn't splinter and go straight into his hands, do you think Tiger didn't trust Stevie, do you think Stevie is a weak character..................No it's obviously like when you and I walk up to a shot we know what we are going to do almost instantaneously, we look back and say "good decision" or "bad decision" when in fact there was no decision!!

LuckyGent88

any news yet on whether he is playing the 2nd round? cant find anything on net to suggest he has pulled out or whether he is on practice ground.

nocal

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

any news yet on whether he is playing the 2nd round? cant find anything on net to suggest he has pulled out or whether he is on practice ground.

He has been on the practise ground - arm still strapped up.

ssbob

nocal wrote: »

He has been on the practise ground - arm still strapped up.

NOCAL you are full of knowledge mate cheers for the update.

bustercherry

Jaysoose wrote: »

Whis is "hating" on rory people are rightly saying that the choice of shot was stupid..he had no chance of getting near the green and his caddy should have been telling him to chip out sideways.

It wasnt that impressive a round after that, fair play and all but it wasnt that good.

So in summary your post is a load of old bollox. IMO.

Yeah suppose so because you have probably shot better rounds round harder courses.

Jaysoose

bustercherry wrote: »

Yeah suppose so because you have probably shot better rounds round harder courses.

And your point is?

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

bustercherry wrote: »

Yeah suppose so because you have probably shot better rounds round harder courses.

:rolleyes:

premierstone

Jaysoose wrote: »

It wasnt that impressive a round after that, fair play and all but it wasnt that good.

I actually dont think I have ever read anything sooo stupid in my life, good man you have certainly brightened up my Friday, not one other golfer in that field could have shot level par from where he was on the 4th tee.

nocal

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

any news yet on whether he is playing the 2nd round? cant find anything on net to suggest he has pulled out or whether he is on practice ground.

Well he is on the course - but just missed his par putt on his first hole. Sank the bogey one.

Goldenjohn

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

any news yet on whether he is playing the 2nd round? cant find anything on net to suggest he has pulled out or whether he is on practice ground.

Yea just tee'd off. Looks like he's fine

Tones69

premierstone wrote: »

I actually dont think I have ever read anything sooo stupid in my life, good man you have certainly brightened up my Friday, not one other golfer in that field could have shot level par from where he was on the 4th tee.

Agreed, plenty of world class golfers are well over par coming into today, rory damaged his wrist on the 3rd hole, to go on and very nearly finish under par for 15 holes was amazing. You get away with nothnig on that course, and from what i can see unless rorys is birdying every hole then some people think hes just "average"

Jaysoose

premierstone wrote: »

I actually dont think I have ever read anything sooo stupid in my life, good man you have certainly brightened up my Friday, not one other golfer in that field could have shot level par from where he was on the 4th tee.

Im glad i amuse you but what exactly are you basing your claim that no other golfer could have shot level par?

Bet your basing it in nothing but your own opinion which means its not true.

Jaysoose

Tones69 wrote: »

Agreed, plenty of world class golfers are well over par coming into today, rory damaged his wrist on the 3rd hole, to go on and very nearly finish under par for 15 holes was amazing. You get away with nothnig on that course, and from what i can see unless rorys is birdying every hole then some people think hes just "average"

I never once said that he was just average so please stop talking out your hole. I gave him big credit for his round but it wasnt the most amazing round ever as mentioned by a previous poster. His wrist wasnt as damaged as first thought and he could play through with a lot of physio and strapping. Impressive..yes...amazing...not quite in my eyes.

bustercherry

georgiecasey wrote: »

:rolleyes:

What you rolling your eyes at?

secman

Could not believe the RTE report on this saga this morning, it was suffice to say he hurt his wrist and carried on to complete a decent round, oh no we had to get the full inch by inch report on the shot..........jesus wept. The guy is a pro golfer earning millions ..... get over it ! The american guy in the lead shot a brilliant round and barely got a mention !

Secman

bustercherry

Jaysoose wrote: »

And your point is?

See premierstone's post but he finished above quite a few other golfers, they'd probably disagree.

Jaysoose

bustercherry wrote: »

See premierstone's post but he finished above quite a few other golfers, they'd probably disagree.

So you dont have a point at all then? its one thing to disagree and put an alternative view across its a totally other thing to pointlessly reply to posts with pure bilge.

You fall into the second category.

boccy23

Jaysoose wrote: »

Im glad i amuse you but what exactly are you basing your claim that no other golfer could have shot level par?

Bet your basing it in nothing but your own opinion which means its not true.

So you're post is formed from where, if it's not opinion.

Lee Westwood, world #2 golfer was out at the same time, +1. Martin Kaymer, defending champion, +2, Darren Clarke, Open Champion, +8, Graeme McDowell, former US Open champion, +4.

So I base my assesment that he had a superb round on the fact that world class players with exactly the same course conditions could not out score better than a player who was clearly hurt for 15 of his 18 holes.

Plus the inane insults are really childish.

Jaysoose

boccy23 wrote: »

So you're post is formed from where, if it's not opinion.

Lee Westwood, world #2 golfer was out at the same time, +1. Martin Kaymer, defending champion, +2, Darren Clarke, Open Champion, +8, Graeme McDowell, former US Open champion, +4.

So I base my assesment that he had a superb round on the fact that world class players with exactly the same course conditions could not out score better than a player who was clearly hurt for 15 of his 18 holes.

Plus the inane insults are really childish.

I disagree.

premierstone

Jaysoose wrote: »

Bet your basing it in nothing but your own opinion which means its not true.

This comment makes absolutely zero sense, what are you basing your assertions that it wasnt an amazing round on?? Have you a scientific formula or something you would like to share with the group??

Haters goin to hate!

bustercherry

Jaysoose wrote: »

So you dont have a point at all then? its one thing to disagree and put an alternative view across its a totally other thing to pointlessly reply to posts with pure bilge.

You fall into the second category.

Ok, look at the quality of players who finished below him. It was pretty good round if that didn't happen. What impresses everyone (by that I mean fellow pros, pundits, people with credentials to offer a valid opinion) is not the fact he played through the pain but mainly because he kept his head together after being visibly shaken by the incident to play some of the best golf of the day.

My point is you are the one coming out with the bilge.

Jaysoose

bustercherry wrote: »

Ok, look at the quality of players who finished below him. It was pretty good round if that didn't happen. What impresses everyone (by that I mean fellow pros, pundits, people with credentials to offer a valid opinion) is not the fact he played through the pain but mainly because he kept his head together after being visibly shaken by the incident to play some of the best golf of the day.

My point is you are the one coming out with the bilge.

I disagree with the above in bold his putter saved him a few times and i give him credit for keeping it together lets not try to paint it as some sort of superhuman effort and keep things in perspective.

Jaysoose

premierstone wrote: »

This comment makes absolutely zero sense, what are you basing your assertions that it wasnt an amazing round on?? Have you a scientific formula or something you would like to share with the group??

Haters goin to hate!

I disagree.

premierstone

Jaysoose wrote: »

I disagree.

Good it confirms my belief that I am right

PhilipMarlowe

STFU.