.22 Users - Scope and bi-pod query.

ClarkyTrd

Howya's folks,

Just a quick one for all you bunny busters out there, do you all use bi-pods or do you shoot while standing?

Reason i ask is, I was out all day and missed every bunny I seen due to shooting from standing and I think the bi-pod is weighing the rifle down too much and couldn't steady my shot.

I've a Nikko Stirling 4x42 scope on my CZ 452 and at 50 yards its perfect, but at 70-80 I cant see the rabbit clear enough. Do you reckon the scope is too small or what scope do you all use for shooting bunnies?? I highly doubt the .22 round drops so much after 50yds or what am I doing wrong?

Cheers,

John

Tackleberrywho

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Howya's folks,

Just a quick one for all you bunny busters out there, do you all use bi-pods or do you shoot while standing?

Reason i ask is, I was out all day and missed every bunny I seen due to shooting from standing and I think the bi-pod is weighing the rifle down too much and couldn't steady my shot.

I've a Nikko Stirling 4x42 scope on my CZ 452 and at 50 yards its perfect, but at 70-80 I cant see the rabbit clear enough. Do you reckon the scope is too small or what scope do you all use for shooting bunnies?? I highly doubt the .22 round drops so much after 50yds or what am I doing wrong?

Cheers,

John

.22lr drop4-6 inches from 50-100 depending on ammo.

Unique selling point of .17hmr as a bunny basher.

Do you use a sling?
A tight rifle sling with an arced elbow can cause you to steady up ten fold


Also, you will notice blur on scopes that have no parrlax adj at various ranges.

It is not as much the size of the scope per say, more the quality of the Glass

ClarkyTrd

I do have a sling on it, I took my bi-pod off when I came home tonight as I was sick that I missed so many rabbits!

Gonna get a shooting stick and try that as well as the sling!

Tackleberrywho

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

I do have a sling on it, I took my bi-pod off when I came home tonight as I was sick that I missed so many rabbits!

Gonna get a shooting stick and try that as well as the sling!

You can half groups with ammo alone, and you can hit more if the rifle is an extension of your arm.

Try shooting paper squatting kneeling and prone. It really helps show you were you are

whiteley91

how do you improve with a tight sling if you dont mind me asking? wrap it around arm or what configuration do you use?

Tackleberrywho

whiteley91 wrote: »

how do you improve with a tight sling if you dont mind me asking? wrap it around arm or what configuration do you use?

I leave the sling barely long enough to slide torso through to cross ditches and dykes where you have to use both hands to climb.

I use my fore hand flat in under the mag well, the elbow canted right for me, left for you will cause sling to tighten and give you a triangle of forces to cause Rifle barrel to become critically more stable.

It wasn't me!

whiteley91 wrote: »

how do you improve with a tight sling if you dont mind me asking? wrap it around arm or what configuration do you use?

A proper shooting sling has a loop in the middle which is adjustable independent of the main length of the sling. There'll usually be a sliding clamp to close the loop in the front of it. Turn that loop half a turn outwards and put your arm through it right up past the elbow and tighten the loop above your bicep. Now bring your arm around to the outside and through the sling. The body of the sling should now be coming around the outside of your wrist and making a triangle whose points are your arm where the sling loop attaches, the elbow and the point where the sling is attached to the stock. You can use that as a support arrangement in standing, sitting, kneeling and prone. You can use it off the top of a fencepost or a car bonnet, a wall, anything. You'll be stunned how steady it is. Especially prone, you'll shoot groups at least as tight as with the bipod.

Gerry.L

Them cz's are very nice light rifles. I wouldnt be bothered weighing it down with a bipod to be honest with ya.

Most people I know couldnt group bullets on the side of a house at 100 yards off hand with a 22lr. Because they weigh them down with huge ass scopes they get cheap of ebay, a big bipod and then a silencer :rolleyes: Not a bad setup in itself.... it is accurate...but all that overkill weight means your absoluetly dependent on the bipod. Id strip that rifle down to just a scope, and once you use subsonics, rabbits(especially rabbits at 80 yards) arent gonna be too bothered about noise, so no need for mod either.

As for why your not hitting them.. Ive a funny feeling its more to do with you not knowing the trajectory of the bullet. If you dont know how low the bullet is due to hit at 80 yards then how do you expect to hit something..?? If at any distance you dont know where the bullets due to land then your only taking pot shots to be honest with ya.


Also 4x isnt bad for 80 yards. Some people are magnification junkies (and will probably contradict me) and insist on having something that will have you zoomed into the fleas on the rabbits back :rolleyes: 4x is grand, Id be more concerned about the glass quality- now that will hinder you.... big time. Id far rather 2x good glass... then 15x crap glass...

It wasn't me!

Dead right Gerry. A sling and a lightweight scope is all a bunny gun needs. I like the sling as it forces you to shoot in good positions and doesn't detract from your potential accuracy at all. I also think something like a 1.5-6x is perfect for a .22 rimfire as your shots aren't going to be much beyond a hundred yards and 6x is more than enough for all of that, while the low end lets you take the ones that bolt from under your feet on the run.

deeksofdoom

It wasn't me! wrote: »

A proper shooting sling has a loop in the middle which is adjustable independent of the main length of the sling. There'll usually be a sliding clamp to close the loop in the front of it. Turn that loop half a turn outwards and put your arm through it right up past the elbow and tighten the loop above your bicep. Now bring your arm around to the outside and through the sling. The body of the sling should now be coming around the outside of your wrist and making a triangle whose points are your arm where the sling loop attaches, the elbow and the point where the sling is attached to the stock. You can use that as a support arrangement in standing, sitting, kneeling and prone. You can use it off the top of a fencepost or a car bonnet, a wall, anything. You'll be stunned how steady it is. Especially prone, you'll shoot groups at least as tight as with the bipod.

Is there any chance you could post a picture of that method, please? I take it if your firing off the right shoulder you'll be looping the sling around your left arm.

cavan shooter

Last year at the Birr fair I picked up a walking stick with an antler V on the top for €20 and I use that now all the time and its grand. I had to cut 1/2" off the bottom to get it to just the right height

clivej

Gerry.L wrote: »

Them cz's are very nice light rifles. I wouldnt be bothered weighing it down with a bipod to be honest with ya.

Most people I know couldnt group bullets on the side of a house at 100 yards off hand with a 22lr. Because they weigh them down with huge ass scopes they get cheap of ebay, a big bipod and then a silencer :rolleyes: Not a bad setup in itself.... it is accurate...but all that overkill weight means your absoluetly dependent on the bipod. Id strip that rifle down to just a scope, and once you use subsonics, rabbits(especially rabbits at 80 yards) arent gonna be too bothered about noise, so no need for mod either.

As for why your not hitting them.. Ive a funny feeling its more to do with you not knowing the trajectory of the bullet. If you dont know how low the bullet is due to hit at 80 yards then how do you expect to hit something..?? If at any distance you dont know where the bullets due to land then your only taking pot shots to be honest with ya.


Also 4x isnt bad for 80 yards. Some people are magnification junkies (and will probably contradict me) and insist on having something that will have you zoomed into the fleas on the rabbits back :rolleyes: 4x is grand, Id be more concerned about the glass quality- now that will hinder you.... big time. Id far rather 2x good glass... then 15x crap glass...

The whole point of putting a bi-pod on is to use it, and not wave it about trying to shoot freehand????????:rolleyes:

I had a 13-27 swivel used at about 13-16 to get above the long grass and it worked to perfection. I could extend it to the full 27" and sit with my back against a tree if needed.
I found a fixed 10x40mm scope, with mildot reticle, was all I needed for any shot with the 22lr out to 135m
I also had a drop chart made out to 150y and used a range finder to get the correct distance. Then just dial in the correct range on the scope and your bang on.

It wasn't me!

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Is there any chance you could post a picture of that method, please? I take it if your firing off the right shoulder you'll be looping the sling around your left arm.

I'll try once someone else gets home today. Will need someone else to take photos. Here are a couple of ones from an ISSF world cup that explain the principle though if it helps.

Here you can see where the sling comes around the arm and supports it.


And here you can see where it wraps around the upper arm.


And from the left side to illustrate the support structure.

Gerry.L

clivej wrote: »

The whole point of put a bi-pod on is to use it, and not wave it about trying to shoot freehand????????

Well I did say that its not a bad setup in itself, my problem with it is that once the bipod goes on your kinda stuck with it. And the OP said himself he was shooting off hand.... (with a bipod on the end that weighed him down) so seemingly he doesnt want to shoot exclusively via bipod either.....

I use a homemade shooting stick myself. Get yourself a wooden mop handle, carve a point into the bottom end, and then on the other end get yourself one of those cheap v shaped fishing rod rests and stick it on the end of the mop. Jobs a good one. And costs less than 5 quid. Put a bit of camo tape on it and it even looks professional

lb1981

ClarkyTrd wrote: »

Howya's folks,

Just a quick one for all you bunny busters out there, do you all use bi-pods or do you shoot while standing?

Reason i ask is, I was out all day and missed every bunny I seen due to shooting from standing and I think the bi-pod is weighing the rifle down too much and couldn't steady my shot.

I've a Nikko Stirling 4x42 scope on my CZ 452 and at 50 yards its perfect, but at 70-80 I cant see the rabbit clear enough. Do you reckon the scope is too small or what scope do you all use for shooting bunnies?? I highly doubt the .22 round drops so much after 50yds or what am I doing wrong?

Cheers,

John

I have the same gun and if you use winchester subs and zero at 50 ,it will drop 2" at 75 and 4" at 100 after that it gets a bit more than 2" every 25 yards. well that is what mine is like anyway.

clivej

Deise Musashi

Hasty sling

http://762rifleman.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/use-your-sling/

In the field any rest is better than standing, tree, ditch, side of a fence post and any other support. Failing that using a hasty sling is better than just standing and trying to steady your rifle.

If you have time to set up and tie in to a cuff sling, you've time to deploy bipod and find a rest.

In target shooting the purpose is to make your arm stay bent.

From Jeff Cooper's "Art of the Rifle"

pg 64, "The function of the shooting sling is to take the weight off the muscles of your support arm, so that when you are in a proper firing position you can relax all your muscles and the weapon will remain exactly on target. This is accomplished by binding the support hand to the fore-end of the rifle and then securing that contact to the support shoulder so that the left elbow is held in its flexed position by the strap itself without any support from the biceps. This works when the support elbow is resting on something solid or something nearly so, such as the ground or the support leg; thus, it works in the prone, sitting, military squat, and kneeling positions -- in addition to a good many "jackass positions, " which may be imporvised in the field."

I have one of the M1907 type slings on my Swift, I like it when zeroing and because I enjoy learning about the various skills needed in riflery. In the field I use a simple loop sling and hasty sling style if time allows.

http://carnival.saysuncle.com/001086.html

To get better at shooting standing and kneeling, I used to set up some white paper plates at reasonable range. Try 25 yards to start. Put a black mark in the middle for an aim point, try to hit the black, but get shots on the plate at least.

As I improved I moved the plates back, still aiming for the smaller mark and working on better groups. I was never fantastic at it as I prefer to grab a handy ditch or tree to shoot from, and hunted so I would be close to something that way to help me steady my aim.
It's a good skill to have though, my friend was very good at taking standing shots and made some shots that I'd have passed up.