road taxation for '08 cars will be changed in 2012?

Auriux1234

Hello,

I'm about to buy 08 mazda 2.0l diesel -156 road tax.

I heard a rummor, that from next year, goverment is going to old system of car taxation? So for 2.0l it will come back to ¬600E? Did anyone else heard it or it is just a rummor?

h3000

Auriux1234 wrote: »

Hello,

I'm about to buy 08 mazda 2.0l diesel -156 road tax.

I heard a rummor, that from next year, goverment is going to old system of car taxation? So for 2.0l it will come back to ¬600E? Did anyone else heard it or it is just a rummor?

Bull I would say but do expect the rates for each band to increase in the next budget.

pajo1981

Auriux1234 wrote: »

Hello,

I'm about to buy 08 mazda 2.0l diesel -156 road tax.

I heard a rummor, that from next year, goverment is going to old system of car taxation? So for 2.0l it will come back to ¬600E? Did anyone else heard it or it is just a rummor?

No, the new system will be based on the number of exhausts multiplied by the number of doors.

Paddy001

Wasn't there talk in the last budget about 50 euro going onto all levels of cc under 2 litre and 100 euro on anything over that and some similar increase on the emission system as well

cadaliac

The government shot themselves in the foot when they introduced the CO2 based taxation system in a way.
They never envisaged so many people buying Diesel or CO compliant cars so quickly and lost out on a lot of revenue.
To try and recoup lost revenue, they will indeed revisit the taxation bands but they cannot change back time and renege on the tax bands for '08, '09, '10 etc cars.
They will have to start from 2012 onward.
So a new car in 2012 (or whenever) will have a different tax band to a higher CO2 emitting car, but the '11 version of the car should remain the same, as in what it is now - If you get what I mean.

_Conrad_

pajo1981 wrote: »

No, the new system will be based on the number of exhausts multiplied by the number of doors.

Oh excellent I'm going to remove my doors so and take my exhaust off at the downpipe... so i'll have no doors and very little exhaust pipe. sorted

Ardennes1944

so ill be paying 601e motor tax on a 1.8? or is it just 08 on?

cadaliac

Deutschlandfürimmer7 wrote: »

so ill be paying 601e motor tax on a 1.8? or is it just 08 on?

In your case (I think your car is pre '08 if I'm not mistaken) you should be O.K.
But, I don't think anything has been decided yet so I really wouldn't worry until they announce their plans.
FG's "Manifesto" is just that - a Manifesto and not law.

bazz26

Most likely they will just increase the cost in each tax band. So Tax Band A goes from €104 to €150, Tax Band B goes from €156 to €200, etc. No idea what they will do with the old cc based system but I'd doubt they will change it radically this year.

Of course it is the IMF/ECB who are calling the shots now so who knows for sure what will happen going forward.

chinwag

There was something in FG plan to increase road tax by something like 50 euro but we have a FG/Lab Govt now?? I'm sure it will be revisited again in some shape or form.
While there may have been a case for introducing a 'reward' of some sort for new greener cars with lower emissions in 2008 (although the failing economy probably couldn't afford it but it was a Green issue), I think 'older' cars rated under the previous system are being over penalised in comparison to newer emission rated cars.
Often, when I look at large expensive cars with a road tax of E156 alongside a humble 1.4 'older' car paying E333, I find myself asking if this is not ridiculously unfair.

Tea_Bag

_Conrad_ wrote: »

Oh excellent I'm going to remove my doors so and take my exhaust off at the downpipe... so i'll have no doors and very little exhaust pipe. sorted

just remove the exhaust pipes and you can have as many doors as you like, or visa versa.


simples

corktina

i amazed to hear you have an exhaust pipe to start with Conrad...

spiggotpaddy

Tea_Bag wrote: »

just remove the exhaust pipes and you can have as many doors as you like, or visa versa.


simples

no you've been mis-informed somwhere along the way.
what they're actually going to do to calculate the new band is as follows,
their going to use the poppet valve overlapping timing ratio relevant to the bore stroke lenght and cross reference it with cubic capacity to get an accurate CO2 / CC parts per million chart.

could'nt be much simpler really.

Joe 90

spiggotpaddy wrote: »

no you've been mis-informed somwhere along the way.
what they're actually going to do to calculate the new band is as follows,
their going to use the poppet valve overlapping timing ratio relevant to the bore stroke lenght and cross reference it with cubic capacity to get an accurate CO2 / CC parts per million chart.

could'nt be much simpler really.

What if you've got sleeve valves?:)

Timmaay

spiggotpaddy wrote: »

no you've been mis-informed somwhere along the way.
what they're actually going to do to calculate the new band is as follows,
their going to use the poppet valve overlapping timing ratio relevant to the bore stroke lenght and cross reference it with cubic capacity to get an accurate CO2 / CC parts per million chart.

could'nt be much simpler really.

Probably way less complicated, and more accurate then the current method of measuring co2 emissions, which uses a totally unrealistic low acceleration driving cycle, that the manufacturer has "tuned" the vehicle to give out very low emissions during these tests, which don't relate to with what is tested during normal real world driving.

But hang on, FG want to penalize "high" polluters even more, why would tax bands A-D only get slapped with 50quid more, but cars over 2l and tax band E-G get 100quid more, when they are paying totally insane amounts of tax at the minute (up to 2k). Go the UK route totally I say, all CO2 based, even for older cars, but have realistic rates, like starting at 200/300 quid for tax band A up to 1000 for tax band G.

Tigger

my 01 diesel is 2.2 but would be 250 odd if it was 08 onwards

now they want to slap another €100 even though its more co2 efficient

crazy crazy feckers

Anan1

Tigger wrote: »

my 01 diesel is 2.2 but would be 250 odd if it was 08 onwards

Do you have the actual figures for your engine? Older diesels can put out a lot more CO2 than their current equivalents.

Henry Ford III

I can't imagine 3 different motor tax regimes:

Pre 08 cc based

08-12 c02 based

12 - as before only with higher starting levels.

I'd imagine they'll just lump more money on the existing 2 regimes. Simple.