Sorcha pronunciation.

FTGFOP

Is Sor(i)cha a vaid pronunciation of Sorcha?

I just realised I say it that way. (I was taught Munster Irish in school if that makes a difference.)

chin_grin

I always took it as (phonetically) Sore-sha.

dambarude

Sur - i - ka (except it's not really 'ka' but 'cha', not pronounced as it is in Charlie).

chin_grin

dambarude wrote: »

Sur - i - ka (except it's not really 'ka' but 'cha', not pronounced as it is in Charlie).

First example on this site is very like that.

http://www.forvo.com/word/sorcha/

(Just hit the play button beside the link).

An gal gréine

Same with the name Donncha and words like airgead and táirge.
Native speakers are often heard to say "ar-i-ms" for the the English word "arms".

byhookorbycrook

chin_grin wrote: »

I always took it as (phonetically) Sore-sha.

That would be a closer pronounciation for Seoirse.

Sor-ick-ah

The " vowel" sound in the centre is known as a guta cúnta.

Enkidu

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

That would be a closer pronounciation for Seoirse.

Sor-ick-ah

The " vowel" sound in the centre is known as a guta cúnta.

Maybe I'm being silly, but I thought the emphasis would be:
Sori-xa

Sor and the guta cúnta being pronounced close together, followed by the "throat-clearing" cha sound. Like the first guy in chin_grin's post.

FTGFOP

Thanks for all the responses! I am happy that I wasn't imagining the three-syllable pronunciation!

On the -ch- portion, I'd pronounce it as it it is in 'loch', myself -or as in the German 'Ich'.

P. Breathnach

FTGFOP wrote: »

Thanks for all the responses! I am happy that I wasn't imagining the three-syllable pronunciation!

On the -ch- portion, I'd pronounce it as it it is in 'loch', myself -or as in the German 'Ich'.

It's more of a two-and-a-half-syllable pronunciation: the guta cúnta (in English, known as a schwa) has less value than a normal syllable.

I think you have the right sound in mind for the "ch".

Baile an Locha

I've heard in pronounced,
Sar-ah-ha
Sin Gaeilge na hUladh though! Just to add to the confusion.

Rhedyn

chin_grin wrote: »

First example on this site is very like that.

http://www.forvo.com/word/sorcha/

I would say it just like Breandán there too.

implausible

chin_grin wrote: »

I always took it as (phonetically) Sore-sha.

Is this not Seoirse (George)?

P. Breathnach

deemark wrote: »

Is this not Seoirse (George)?

No.

ArtSmart

deemark wrote: »

Is this not Seoirse (George)?

no, that's sayer-sha.

In england I've heard Sorcha pronounced sore-sha. here sewer-ka.

3 syllables? dunno. but then, i actually dont know, 'sept what i've actually heard.

mind you i've heard Guinness pronounced 'your round', so what do i know...

implausible

ArtSmart wrote: »

no, that's sayer-sha.

In england I've heard Sorcha pronounced sore-sha. here sewer-ka.

3 syllables? dunno. but then, i actually dont know, 'sept what i've actually heard.

mind you i've heard Guinness pronounced 'your round', so what do i know...

I think you're confusing the boy's name Seoirse (Sore sha) and the girl's name Saoirse ('Sayr sha' or 'Seer sha' depending on area). The Sorchas I know pronounce their names Sor ick a.

deirdremf

FTGFOP wrote: »

Is Sor(i)cha a vaid pronunciation of Sorcha?

I just realised I say it that way. (I was taught Munster Irish in school if that makes a difference.)

Do you know the (nonsense) rhyme about Sorcha?

Sorcha, Sorcha
poillín dorcha
chaith sí urchar
is mharaigh sí éan!

Just for your information, there is an umwritten syllable in each of the 3 words, Sorcha, dorcha, urchar!

pmcb

Sar-ah-ha

dubhthach

The Forvo pronunciation from the Connemara Gaeilgór is what I've always heard as the proper pronunciation.

The "i" that people are talking about before the ch is actually a schwa /ə/ -- it's called an "Epenthetic vowel" there is a description of it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_orthography#Epenthetic_vowel

I should add it's the same process that gives us "Fillum" for Film in Hiberno-English, of course that like most Hiberno-English features originating in the Irish language are frowned upon as "bad english"