Passports for flying inside ireland?

unir1916

Thinking of flying from Dublin to Kerry in September with ryanair.do you still require a passport even if you are not leaving the country??

Jamie2k9

If you have no passport for Ryanair you wont be allowed to fly.

Malee

Best to check with the airline you would like to use, but more than likely they will require a passport.

undo

No need to check in case of Ryanair. It clearly says on their website that a passport is required for all flights, no exceptions. I flew from DUB to ORK a few years ago and had to show a passport as well. They simplify operations by always asking for a passport, whether you are leaving the country or not.

Stinicker

undo wrote: »

No need to check in case of Ryanair. It clearly says on their website that a passport is required for all flights, no exceptions. I flew from DUB to ORK a few years ago and had to show a passport as well. They simplify operations by always asking for a passport, whether you are leaving the country or not.

I know but it is surely illegal to have to show a passport for an internal flight, ok a valid form of ID like a Drivers Licence and I am surprised some-one hasn't challenged Ryanair on this considering they get state aid on these PSO flights.

lods

Stinicker wrote: »

I know but it is surely illegal to have to show a passport for an internal flight, ok a valid form of ID like a Drivers Licence and I am surprised some-one hasn't challenged Ryanair on this considering they get state aid on these PSO flights.

good luck with that:rolleyes:

undo

Why would it be illegal? They could ask you to color your hair blue, to sing the Ryanair song or to walk backwards... Ryanair offer you a flight with certain conditions attached. Take it or leave it. I am sure it would be illegal if they discriminated based on race, religion and so on. But conditions such as having to bring your passport along seem very reasonable.

dutch1

You actually need a seperate visa to enter Kerry.

Stinicker

dutch1 wrote: »

You actually need a seperate visa to enter Kerry.

Lol! Not true obviously. However now that Ryanair are ending their internal flights between Dublin and both Kerry and Cork in September; a passport will no longer be required for any internal flight in Ireland as Ryanair will no longer be operating any internal flights within Ireland.

Aer Arann will be operating from Kerry to Dublin who will take up where Ryanair left off in November. Aer Arann also operates a service from Waterford to Galway Airport and Aer Arann requires Photo ID like a driving licence and thus a passport will not be required to fly.

Flybe will be taking over the Donegal-Dublin route in November and like Aer Arann does not require a passport for internal flights.

dutch1

Are Flybe the english crowd ??

Stinicker

dutch1 wrote: »

Are Flybe the english crowd ??

Yeah they are based in Exeter but the Donegal PSO route will be operated by Loganair on behalf of Flybe (similar to the Aer Arann Aer Lingus Regional arrangement). FlyBe already operates into Dublin from both Exeter and Southampton and they also do ski charters in the winter with their e-jets. The Donegal service will probably be a Loganair Saab 340 in FlyBe colours.

fran Bonner

I am considering flying from Donegal to Dublin as the bus route is too long. Do I need a passport ?

athtrasna

fran Bonner wrote: »

I am considering flying from Donegal to Dublin as the bus route is too long. Do I need a passport ?

Read the airline's policy on their website

hfallada

Ireland is unique in the sense we dont have an national ID card like the Italians and Germans. You very very rarely find an Italian with a passport, they all have national ID cards. Meaning they dont have to get a passport to fly within Europe. But any talk of introducing a ID in Ireland, the debate always goes to talking about Ireland turning into a police state

Tangey99

hfallada wrote: »

Ireland is unique in the sense we dont have an national ID card like the Italians and Germans. You very very rarely find an Italian with a passport, they all have national ID cards. Meaning they dont have to get a passport to fly within Europe. But any talk of introducing a ID in Ireland, the debate always goes to talking about Ireland turning into a police state

Far from unique. UK doesn't have one.

cc

hfallada wrote: »

Ireland is unique in the sense we dont have an national ID card like the Italians and Germans. You very very rarely find an Italian with a passport, they all have national ID cards. Meaning they dont have to get a passport to fly within Europe. But any talk of introducing a ID in Ireland, the debate always goes to talking about Ireland turning into a police state

Would be very handy for travelling around Europe, it could be non mandatory, just apply for one if you wanted one.

veetwin

Denmark, Iceland or Norway don't have them either. The UK did briefly have one recently but the scheme was abandoned for a variety of reasons.

nophd08

cc wrote: »

Would be very handy for travelling around Europe, it could be non mandatory, just apply for one if you wanted one.

Yeah, but we have one already... Its non mandatory, you apply for one if you want, AND... You can travel Europe and the world with it..... Its a passport..

drumswan

hfallada wrote: »

Ireland is unique in the sense we dont have an national ID card like the Italians and Germans. You very very rarely find an Italian with a passport, they all have national ID cards. Meaning they dont have to get a passport to fly within Europe. But any talk of introducing a ID in Ireland, the debate always goes to talking about Ireland turning into a police state

So do people with National ID cards need a passport to fly Ryanair?

coylemj

drumswan wrote: »

So do people with National ID cards need a passport to fly Ryanair?

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/terms-and-conditions/regulations-traveldocumentation/

cc

nophd08 wrote: »

Yeah, but we have one already... Its non mandatory, you apply for one if you want, AND... You can travel Europe and the world with it..... Its a passport..

Wow really? It also costs €80-€95 quid where as most ID cards are very cheap (or Free) and fit in your wallet easily

keithclancy

cc wrote: »

Wow really? It also costs €80-€95 quid where as most ID cards are very cheap (or Free) and fit in your wallet easily

Dutch one is 52.95 for an Adult and 28.35 for a Child.

Hardly cheap, I don't know any country that does them for 'free'

But handy if you want something to fit in your wallet.

drumswan

coylemj wrote: »

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/terms-and-conditions/regulations-traveldocumentation/

So EU nationals with National ID cards dont need a passport to fly with Ryanair.

coylemj

drumswan wrote: »

So EU nationals with National ID cards dont need a passport to fly with Ryanair.

That is way too vague a summary of the Ryanair rules regarding national ID cards.

There are countries outside the EU whose cards are acceptable and there are countries in the EU whose cards are (in certain situations) not acceptable.

You have to read the whole document on the Ryanair website. That's why I posted a link rather than try to copy & paste selected pieces which might mislead people, as your post is capable of doing. The rules are reasonably complex, there are some serious qualifications in relation to specific countries and they don't lend themselves to a one-line summary.

The rules could also change tomorrow so attempting to summarise them here could seriously mislead someone travelling next week and is probably not a good idea.

cc

keithclancy wrote: »

Dutch one is 52.95 for an Adult and 28.35 for a Child.

Hardly cheap, I don't know any country that does them for 'free'

But handy if you want something to fit in your wallet.

Lots of countries where the cost is in and around the €20 Mark and few where its free http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

munchkin_utd

cc wrote: »

Lots of countries where the cost is in and around the €20 Mark and few where its free http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

thats a great table

in effect all ireland would need is (my copyright on the term!) a "PPS Plus" card only available to irish citizens, that can act as a pps card AND an official ID in one.

keep the white yoke for non citizens and folks who are happy with that, and charge €20euro or whatever to get the advanced version

coylemj

munchkin_utd wrote: »

in effect all ireland would need is (my copyright on the term!) a "PPS Plus" card only available to irish citizens, that can act as a pps card AND an official ID in one.

There already is a secure ID card issued by the Government, it's the new Public Services Card. You get it by going (by invitation only) to your social welfare office with multiple forms of ID including a passport or driving licence. It's a smartcard with a chip and will eventually be used to store the free travel pass and similar data.

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Public-Services-Card_holder.aspx

keithclancy

cc wrote: »

Lots of countries where the cost is in and around the €20 Mark and few where its free http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area

That Wikipedia article must not have been updated in quite some time, the introduction of the EID System has pushed the cost up all over the place.

http://www.enisa.europa.eu/activities/identity-and-trust/trust-services/eid-cards-en

The Public Services card does not follow this framework afaik and Ireland has no plans to implement such a system.

If it did come in I imagine it would be around the 50 euro mark, similar to the other countries that have implemented it, with the exception of the super subsidised money hole that is Belgium

robinph

drumswan wrote: »

So EU nationals with National ID cards dont need a passport to fly with Ryanair.

Depends where they are flying between and what nationality they are.

If you are flying on any airline between UK/ Ireland and another country then you'll need a passport. That is nothing to do with the airlines rules but is to do with national borders.
If you are a UK/ Irish national flying between the UK and Ireland then you do not require a passport, however, individual airlines can set their own ID requirements (that is why Ryanair require you to carry a passport). If flying with another airline between UK and Ireland and you don't have your passport on you, how confident are you of being able to convince the cop on the border that you are a UK or Irish citizen? If your French and flying AerLingus between UK and Ireland for example, then you'll need a passport to cross the border (officially), even if the airline is OK with letting you on with just a national ID card.

If you are a citzen of a schengen country and flying between two schengen countries then you'll be able to travel with just national ID card, probably. If you are a UK or Irish citizen, or any non-schengen national, then you'll need your passport.

Basically if you are getting on a plane then take your passport with you, if you are crossing a national border then take your passport with you.

If you are going to the pub then leave your passport at home.

munchkin_utd

robinph wrote: »

Depends where they are flying between and what nationality they are.

If you are flying on any airline between UK/ Ireland and another country then you'll need a passport. That is nothing to do with the airlines rules but is to do with national borders.<snip>

wrong.
a national ID card is fine for immigration purposes between any european state.

Even with Ryanair it works on all their destinations europewide both inside and outside the EU except Morroco
http://www.ryanair.com/en/terms-and-conditions/regulations-traveldocumentation/

if youre irish or british you "need a passport" outside of uk /ireland as theres no ID card available.

keithclancy

munchkin_utd wrote: »

wrong.
a national ID card is fine for immigration purposes between any european state.

Even with Ryanair it works on all their destinations europewide both inside and outside the EU except Morroco
http://www.ryanair.com/en/terms-and-conditions/regulations-traveldocumentation/

if youre irish or british you "need a passport" outside of uk /ireland as theres no ID card available.

That's not right either.

You can fly to the Canaries with European ID and that's off the coast of Africa :pac:

JCX BXC

keithclancy wrote: »

That's not right either.

You can fly to the Canaries with European ID and that's off the coast of Africa :pac:

Politically the Canaries are in Europe and are apart of the EU.

keithclancy

Carnacalla wrote: »

Politically the Canaries are in Europe and are apart of the EU.

Not specifically true.

The Canaries are a Part of Spain which is in the European Union.
The same as Guadeloupe is a part of France and also in the EU, they use the Euro.

However they are not in Europe (European Union does not equal Europe, there are plenty of countries in Europe that are not part of the European Union)

http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/euro/world/outside_euro_area/index_en.htm

Carawaystick

munchkin_utd wrote: »

if youre irish or british you "need a passport" outside of uk /ireland as theres no ID card available.

Isle of Man, Channel Islands are quixotic exceptions.

And if you didn't depend on scheduled transport probably most british crown dependencies would allow travel too.

JCX BXC

I'm sure I read somewhere that Politically the canaries are part of Europe, but Physically they are not.

robinph

Carnacalla wrote: »

I'm sure I read somewhere that Politically the canaries are part of Europe, but Physically they are not.

Which is probably the opposite of Gibraltar.