Should young offenders be sent to prison?

Sykk

Just had a look at the court in Croydon in which a spokes person said that anyone under 18 will more than likely not get jail sentences for their part in the rioting and theft.

This aside, When I was in school some pretty nasty scumbags done pretty much whatever they wanted, stole cars went around beating the shít out of people and nothing was ever done about it.

Plenty of teenagers do whatever they like now a days because they know they'll just get a slap on the wrist..

I for one think these little pieces of trash should be judged as adults, their parents should also be given some sort of punishment if their crimes are repeated.

What say you?

mackg

Tie them to a wall in the middle of a field, one bullet bang bang

red menace

It's a tricky one.
But I would say if you are old enough to rob a shop or a car or beat the crap out of someone.
You are old enough to do the time for it.
I know I know over simplistic but basically that's what I believe.

mackg

red menace wrote: »

It's a tricky one.
But I would say if you are old enough to rob a shop or a car or beat the crap out of someone.
You are old enough to do the time for it.
I know I know over simplistic but basically that's what I believe.

A twelve year old could easily beat the sh*t out of an eight year old.

red menace

mackg wrote: »

A twelve year old could easily beat the sh*t out of an eight year old.

Yes that's where it gets tricky
In a case like that I would say get a 16 year old enforcer to beat the crap out of the 12 year old

mackg

red menace wrote: »

Yes that's where it gets tricky
In a case like that I would say get a 16 year old enforcer to beat the crap out of the 12 year old

Would that mean you would advocate beatings as a punishment for adults as well, possibly as further punishment on top of a suspended sentence?

wilson10

Leniency is one of the main factors that has us where we are, and not just in UK, things are pretty bad here too.

I say a serious crackdown is in order, make examples of scumbags who hurt people and destroy their property.

Bring back the deterrent.

D1stant

Yes Jail them. US style bootcamp

Frighten the living ****e out of them

If you dont turn kids off crime by the time they are 18, 90% of them will be scumbags forever and a constant drain on public finances and a menace to society

Saila

mackg wrote: »

Tie them to a wall in the middle of a field, one bullet bang bang

why would there be a wall in the middle of a field

cosmicfart

the should all be sent to church for punishment from the rev on high

Mike 1972

Sykk wrote: »

Should young offenders be sent to prison?

Depends on what the offence in question is.

It would be a bit harsh to lock someone up for not having a light on their bike

mackg

Saila wrote: »

why would there be a wall in the middle of a field

why would there be two bangs for one bullet?

Wetai

No, but they should get some sort of community service type of thing

Mint Sauce

Unfortunatly the overcrowding in English jails (not so in scotland apparently) is as bad as it is here.

I'd say allot of the convicted in terms of the recent riots, will just end up with a tag, a curfew order, and a bit of community service. But some of them should certainly be jailed.

red menace

mackg wrote: »

Would that mean you would advocate beatings as a punishment for adults as well, possibly as further punishment on top of a suspended sentence?

Every crime should have an unpleasant consequences

IMO the water cannons should be filled with pig slurry that will keep the looters at home

iMax

Mandatory labour. Tag them, curfew from 7pm-7am, pick them up at 7.30, put to work cleaning graffiti, park maintenance, street cleaning etc.

No pay, no expenses, must complete satisfactorily or repeat.

DundalkDuffman

mackg wrote: »

Tie them to a wall in the middle of a field, one bullet bang bang

Wouldn't that be just bang?

twinQuins

Would that not then just be institutionalising them at a young age? If they're children then their parents should be made to pay as they're the ones [legally] responsible for their kids actions.

mackg

DundalkDuffman wrote: »

Wouldn't that be just bang?

obviously not familiar with the reference, it's a southwest culchie thing by the looks of it.

pragmatic1

Say what you want about the ra but they kept their areas safe from feral youth.

mackg

red menace wrote: »

Every crime should have an unpleasant consequences

IMO the water cannons should be filled with pig slurry that will keep the looters at home

covering the place in pig slurry has a downside

Fremen

Punish them harshly, but my feeling is that jail time will destroy a lot of lives needlessly. Once you've got a criminal record or spent time in jail, you're stuck in the underclass, end of story.

Everyone does retarded stuff when they're young. Many of these guys will grow up to be awful chavs, but some won't. They all deserve the benefit of the doubt. The slate should be wiped clean once they reach adulthood.

WhatNowForUs?

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Say what you want about the ra but they kept their areas safe from feral youth.

Do we now have to choose between the ra and ferel youth.

Mike 1972

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Say what you want about the ra but they kept their areas safe from feral youth.

:rolleyes:

Amirani

iMax wrote: »

Mandatory labour. Tag them, curfew from 7pm-7am, pick them up at 7.30, put to work cleaning graffiti, park maintenance, street cleaning etc.

No pay, no expenses, must complete satisfactorily or repeat.

Fremen wrote: »

Punish them harshly, but my feeling is that jail time will destroy a lot of lives needlessly. Once you've got a criminal record or spent time in jail, you're stuck in the underclass, end of story.

Everyone does retarded stuff when they're young. Many of these guys will grow up to be awful chavs, but some won't. They all deserve the benefit of the doubt. The slate should be wiped clean once they reach adulthood.

I'm in completely agreement with these. Putting them in jail where they're going to be constantly socialising with other criminals isn't going to do them any good. Severely limit their freedom and get them working in their communities to improve their areas. I'm talking 9-5 all week for a couple of months. Eventually they might gain some respect for where they live and hopefully won't abuse it again.

Multiple offenders really have to be given prison time though.

carlybabe1

it depends on the crime imo, but I do think that random acts of violence and vandalism for the sake of 'impressin' your friends could do with a blast of this guy, teach the louts some humility

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n38_v14/ai_21224326/

how refreshing, would free up space in juvie hall too

iMax

carlybabe1 wrote: »

it depends on the crime imo, but I do think that random acts of violence and vandalism for the sake of 'impressin' your friends could do with a blast of this guy, teach the louts some humility

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n38_v14/ai_21224326/

how refreshing, would free up space in juvie hall too

Judge Poe from Texas. That's about as wild west as you can get.

7sr2z3fely84g5

Defo,join the mammy and daddy and their brothers and sisters in the prison!.

mattjack

DundalkDuffman wrote: »

Wouldn't that be just bang?

thats what I thought..

mattjack

mackg wrote: »

why would there be two bangs for one bullet?

yes why ?

mikom

mackg wrote: »

Tie them to a wall in the middle of a field, one bullet bang bang

mackg wrote: »

why would there be two bangs for one bullet?

mattjack wrote: »

thats what I thought..

DundalkDuffman wrote: »

Wouldn't that be just bang?

Bang from the shot.
Bang from the body hitting the ground.

Are ye awake or what?

randylonghorn

Actions should have consequences for these young people, just as they do for the rest of us. And there definitely should be a deterrent involved.

Prison for young offenders has a lot of problems, though, some of which you might not expect.

It tends to harden these young people in their attitudes; to survive they have to be "harder" than the next guy, so actually what they are learning is to be a bigger thug than when they went in.

They make new contacts with people who have been involved in similar behaviour or worse, and often learn new anti-social "skills" and are drawn further into criminality and anti-social behaviour through these networks.

In many of the neighbourhoods from which these young people come, and among the circles in which they hang out, a stint in prison or "juvie" is more a badge of honour than shameful.

On top of all that, such is the over-crowding problems with our prison system that they know they will only serve a small part of their actual sentence ... and we, the ordinary taxpayer, will pay heavily for them to do so. And what do we get for our money? ... a youngster with a whole load of new undesirable contacts and ideas / skills!

Hardly ideal.

While I might not agree with all of Judge Poe's punishments, I think he has the right idea tbh ... we need to get more imaginative in the way we deal with offenders, and young offenders in particular.

Undesirable actions should have undesirable consequences, and those consequences should ideally
(a) not compound the problem;
(b) not cost the state as much;
(c) include if possible some kind of benefit / payback to society;
(d) be tough enough to get the message across;
(e) include some effort at rehabilitation and support for individuals who show that they genuinely do want to sort out their lives and make good.

And whatever about for 17/18 year olds, who are often uncontrollable by parents anyway, there should be an option to penalise parents of younger teenagers as well where it's deemed to be appropriate.

The only thing prison does well is take offenders off the street and out of society, and while this is certainly very useful and necessary at times, it should be reserved for serial / serious / violent offenders ... and if we could come up with a better system for other types of offenders, maybe we would have the room in prisons to keep the people from whom society needs to be protected in there for longer!

mattjack

mikom wrote: »

Bang from the shot.
Bang from the body hitting the ground.

Are ye awake or what?

was he not tied to the wall.........how would there be a bang hitting the ground.?.

mikom

mattjack wrote: »

was he not tied to the wall.........how would there be a bang hitting the ground.?.

The bullet split the rope?

mattjack

mikom wrote: »

The bullet split the rope?

:pac::pac:..very possible...........most likely a boards sniper taking the shot too......

byhookorbycrook

Restorative justice is used here with many under age offenders.

WonderWoman!

If they are 16+ I think they should be jailed particularly if they are repeat offenders

however the young ones parents should be getting some sort of public order fine for not controling their kids and the kids should have a tag and curfew aswell as community service

talla10

Three strikes and your out.

Simple, easily enforcable and would make Ireland a much, much safer place instead of the same heads with 100 + convictions getting usual sh1t sentences and out before serving half of it.

iMax

I'd just like to add the following -

The tags/ankle bracelets should have electric shock capabilities, 1,000 volts to start increasing by 500 on distance from where they're supposed to be.

If they repeat offences, compulsory army service for three years.