Could the Civil unrest in London spread to Ireland?

fliball123

Hi All,

Just a quick comment with regards so what happening in London, could this spread to Ireland...I reckon that the death of one person was just a trigger that was needed for civil unrest.... Just stating over 450k on the dole if this is cut in December could we be in for riots?? In my opinion we are that trigger away from Civil unrest, the country at current is like a covered pot coming to the boil and something will have to give...

Anyone any thoughts on this?

drunkmonkey

No, we've become to soft to cause trouble and the Garda wouldn't be as softy softy with scumbag protectors the water cannons would have been in straight away with robocop leading the way.
When the dole goes from just under €800 to €399 it should get interesting though.

johnnyskeleton

fliball123 wrote: »

Hi All,

Just a quick comment with regards so what happening in London, could this spread to Ireland...I reckon that the death of one person was just a trigger that was needed for civil unrest.... Just stating over 450k on the dole if this is cut in December could we be in for riots?? In my opinion we are that trigger away from Civil unrest, the country at current is like a covered pot coming to the boil and something will have to give...

Anyone any thoughts on this?

Coul we? Yes
is it likely? Not at the moment, in my opinion.

Irish welfare payments are still too generous and the irish people are not that fond of organised violent protest.

Messi2

I strongly doubt it.

If you just go out into towns and around Dublin you'll see that people arent as "angry" as the media make out, were not doing too badly all things considered. Might be p!ssed off, but not enough to riot.

In my view anyway.

stargazer 68

Messi2 wrote: »

I strongly doubt it.

Might be p!ssed off, but not enough to riot.

.

Well surely thats a good thing! I certainly dont want to see scenes like that here. Mindless thugs destroying property, homes and businesses. Its got nothing to do with the economy - just yobs. Half of them dont even know why it started in the first place!

fliball123

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Coul we? Yes
is it likely? Not at the moment, in my opinion.

Irish welfare payments are still too generous and the irish people are not that fond of organised violent protest.

Maybe but look at the different sections in Ireland for example

the dole if its cut by a good chunk I think people will go mad
Same with the public sector if their wage is cut I reckon the unions will be protesting and we could see something simular
If more and more taxes keep coming I can see people on the lower and middle income coming to the boil
Not to mention mortgage holders..

Each of the 4 groups could be squeezed and squeezed....along side some of the other decisions taken such as closing A&Es also arent the guards being cut back not to mention the police in England can carry firearms and I think are more able than the gaurds at crowd control...

I dont know as I say its something that the government here will have to take as a likely threat if they keep the austerity going

Dirk Gently

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No, we've become to soft to cause trouble and the Garda wouldn't be as softy softy with scumbag protectors the water cannons would have been in straight away with robocop leading the way.
When the dole goes from just under €800 to €399 it should get interesting though.

The first and only time the gardai used water cannon it was brought down from Northern Ireland. I don't think they have the things just lying about to be sent in anywhere "straight away".

wayfarers

Not a fcuking chance, the Irish are too passive to get off their asses and protest against anything. 'Discontent' amongst the people of Ireland is confined to the random auld lad you'll find propping up the bar and espousing his fears/worries/issues regarding current affairs to bored and non committed listeners who will invariably respond "you're right there Mick, but shur what can we do".

Irelands youth would certainly be capable, could the Garda handle it?
:pac:

wayfarers

Dovies wrote: »

Well surely thats a good thing! I certainly dont want to see scenes like that here. Mindless thugs destroying property, homes and businesses. Its got nothing to do with the economy - just yobs. Half of them dont even know why it started in the first place!

You're right the situation in London has nothing to do with the economy. However you're wrong, the yobs kicking off in London know exactly why it all started, they however don't give a hoot about some thug who was shot by police, but they do give a hoot that they can turn the situation to their advantage. It was NEVER about the economy.

fliball123

RVP 11 wrote: »

Irelands youth would certainly be capable, could the Garda handle it?
:pac:

Well this is the section out of all I am most thinking about... I mean I have nephews and nieces living in the likes of Finglas, Clondalkin, Balbriggan...and the levels of out of control, drugs, stabbings, underage sex, etc going on is unreal and the level of control of the parent seems to be waining..(not picking on these areas in particular just that I know someone from there)...As I say I have 5 who are over 18 none have a job and the amount of knockbacks they get is crushing so if dole is cut again the auld term Idle hands comes to mind?

stargazer 68

wayfarers wrote: »

You're right the situation in London has nothing to do with the economy. However you're wrong, the yobs kicking off in London know exactly why it all started, they however don't give a hoot about some thug who was shot by police, but they do give a hoot that they can turn the situation to their advantage. It was NEVER about the economy.

And the ones in Bristol and Birmingham joined in yesterday!

fliball123

Dovies wrote: »

And the ones in Bristol and Birmingham joined in yesterday!

Liverpool aswell

uncle_sam_ie

I've lived in this country for 14 years now and can say that Irish are friendly and easy going but push them too far and they can very quickly go 300.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWS9PiXekE

jester77

The Irish are too passive, so it would take something extreme for it to happen. The most likely route would be something similar to what happened in London. A small minority would take advantage of a peaceful protest and violence would ensue (ala the student demo recently).

The most likely cause for riots in Ireland imo will be from either a public service union demo or a student union demo where a small unrelated scumbag minority join in and start trouble.

wayfarers

uncle_sam_ie wrote: »

I've lived in this country for 14 years now and can say that Irish are friendly and easy going but push them too far and they can very quickly go 300.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkWS9PiXekE

Unless those 14 years were circa 1916 I don't agree with you. Irish will get riled up over one thing and it won't be the economy, it won't be the police kicking the ****e out of some poor innocent, it won't be welfare cuts or unemployment but it will be over something sports related.

dilallio

No.

It rains too much here.

MetalDog

No it won't spread here because people here just grumble into their drink or ring Joe Duffy.

fliball123

I dont know lads I definately think the mood has changed just as for instance the RA seem to be back up and going at it again after years of inactivity...and as someone pointed out there will be protests when the next lot of cuts and tax raises come into effect in December..??So the oppertunity will be there as I say if a simular trigger happens here I reckon there could major major hastle

uncle_sam_ie

wayfarers wrote: »

Unless those 14 years were circa 1916 I don't agree with you. Irish will get riled up over one thing and it won't be the economy, it won't be the police kicking the ****e out of some poor innocent, it won't be welfare cuts or unemployment but it will be over something sports related.

Yeah I know, I was speaking generally.

I dont know lads I definately think the mood has changed just as for instance the RA seem to be back up and going at it again after years of inactivity...and as someone pointed out there will be protests when the next lot of cuts and tax raises come into effect in December..??So the oppertunity will be there as I say if a simular trigger happens here I reckon there could major major hastle

Agreed.
I'm sure some of the parents of these thugs in the UK were naiive enough to think the same.
Lets' be real, a lot of them are kids, and kids will do anything for fun.

fliball123

RVP 11 wrote: »

Agreed.
I'm sure some of the parents of these thugs in the UK were naiive enough to think the same.
Lets' be real, a lot of them are kids, and kids will do anything for fun.

I aggree with that sentiment and kids that have no job sitting around rolling spliffs all day are going to get a pain in their jacksey...If I were a betting man I can see something simular in Ireland by this time next year

Miguel_Sanchez

The way people are saying "Oh no the Irish are too passive or too lazy" to riot. It sounds like you're almost saying if we were a better people we would be out burning down the businesses and homes of innocent people.

Yeah, that'd really show people that we can get ourselves out of this mess.

dsmythy

Irish people too soft to violently protest? This isn't the great British public burning people's property it's the lowlife. The Irish lowlife will happily come out of the woodwork to loot a few JD sports for their supply of trainers and tracksuits for the year while burning out your car if there's any sort of disturbance.

Thud

yes but instead of thugs in the streets we'll have a convoy of cement mixers and cherry pickers parked in front of the Dail...that'll teach em!

DoneDL

I think that the chances of it happening in Ireland are slim, more so because we don`t have a transport system that can move people around quickly enough. It requires at least one generation of a disaffected people with a serious axe to grind.

smokingman

What's happening over there right now is not a protest, it's an excuse for yobs to destroy the areas they live in. They're just of too low intelligence to realise it makes their "lot" worse off and what prospects they have are reduced even more.

jester77

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

The way people are saying "Oh no the Irish are too passive or too lazy" to riot. It sounds like you're almost saying if we were a better people we would be out burning down the businesses and homes of innocent people.

Yeah, that'd really show people that we can get ourselves out of this mess.

I don't think that is what people are saying. Irish people have a general "ah, it'll be grand" attitude when it comes to most things. They are generally (not always) happier to accept change instead of challenging it. And when I say challenge, I don't mean going out and destroying property and looting/burning stores.

irishh_bob

fliball123 wrote: »

Hi All,

Just a quick comment with regards so what happening in London, could this spread to Ireland...I reckon that the death of one person was just a trigger that was needed for civil unrest.... Just stating over 450k on the dole if this is cut in December could we be in for riots?? In my opinion we are that trigger away from Civil unrest, the country at current is like a covered pot coming to the boil and something will have to give...

Anyone any thoughts on this?

yes , if the goverment touch the OAP in decembers budget , the elderly will make whats happening in london like a church picnic

djpbarry

fliball123 wrote: »

I mean I have nephews and nieces living in the likes of Finglas, Clondalkin, Balbriggan...and the levels of out of control, drugs, stabbings, underage sex, etc going on is unreal...

Stabbings in Dublin are out of control? Wow, the situation has really deteriorated since I left.

Snacker

We spend too much time in the pub (or down alleyways these days) to give a s**t

jimmycrackcorm

fliball123 wrote: »

Hi All,

Just a quick comment with regards so what happening in London, could this spread to Ireland...

Only in towns with a Currys store judging by Sky news.... :rolleyes:

Wackawacka

Yes. Definitely. If you were to ask the average Englishman whether this was possible, the answer would have been the same as here, denial. There are the same problems, the same attitudes towards authority, in addition to an incompetent upper class who screwed up the country far worse than in Britain. It's not like the gardai are in control in the best of times. It's not like rioting hasn't happened before. It's not like shoplifting isn't widespread.

They say that people who don't say what they mean will just take it and take it until they explode. They just look like they take it, then they just snap and go berserk.

Yeah, can totally see it happen. England and Ireland are more similar than we like to think.

View

Wackawacka wrote: »

Yes. Definitely. If you were to ask the average Englishman whether this was possible, the answer would have been the same as here, denial. There are the same problems, the same attitudes towards authority, in addition to an incompetent upper class who screwed up the country far worse than in Britain. It's not like the gardai are in control in the best of times. It's not like rioting hasn't happened before. It's not like shoplifting isn't widespread.

They say that people who don't say what they mean will just take it and take it until they explode. They just look like they take it, then they just snap and go berserk.

Yeah, can totally see it happen. England and Ireland are more similar than we like to think.

You mean the way we all went out and rioted in the aftermath of Hurricane Katerina and the riots in Paris a few years ago? And the way they both did in the aftermath of the "Love Ulster" riots in Dublin?

Give us a break...

Wackawacka

View wrote: »

You mean the way we all went out and rioted in the aftermath of Hurricane Katerina and the riots in Paris a few years ago? And the way they both did in the aftermath of the "Love Ulster" riots in Dublin?

Give us a break...

I don't think you quite get it. The same conditions that exist in London exist in Dublin as well. These are not external, they are internal to Ireland and there is a lot of it concentrated in Dublin.

the groutch

in December it's very possible, but we needed it to have happened in September 2008

yvonne86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o

Magic Beans

Not a chance, we have a better class of thug.

Laisurg

I doubt it could happen here to be honest we don't have anywhere near the gang problem that they have across the way and the knackers in England appear to be a bit more brave than the ones we have over here.

partyatmygaff

the groutch wrote: »

in December it's very possible, but we needed it to have happened in September 2008

We did not and never will need a riot.


Rioting is not a good thing. Ireland's reluctance to riot isn't something negative that people should moan about. It's a great thing. Riots do nothing but cause damage and destroy lives and livelihoods.

astrofool

We stocked up on our iPods and plasma TV's during the celtic tiger.

If the Sky satellite goes down, then, we might get riots.

AlekSmart

I would be somewhat surprised if in the past few days our various Security Minded officials have not been in conclave,discreetly of course,concerning our exposure to such risk.

All that being said,a friend returning from the UK via a StenaLine ferry enquired as to whether our media was covering what he took to be a full scale riot on board,as hordes of unsupervised children rampaged around the Ship as their parents skulled back the alcohol to ward-off seasickness...;)

nesf

I'd move this thread to the Politics forum but the standard of debate is so low that I'm going to lock it instead.