James Mc Clean More irish Now

dreamers75

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/0808/mccleanj_ireland.html

Signed for sunderland and then switched to ROI.

Could be a decent player if he sorts out his crossing. Traps kinda player fast winger who is very capable at defending.

tallaghtmick

Its weird moany hole worthington didnt say much.....maybe hes crap or hes more than happy with alex bruce:p

super_furry

Worthington's a clown. Called him up into the senior squad and then made a point of telling everyone that he wouldn't be playing. All the same you still feel that this is going to continue to happen until there's real reform within the Northern Ireland set-up.

stovelid

newballsplease

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tallaghtmick

newballsplease wrote: »

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plane+magician=plain magic:pac:......no really

mike65

Something to do with James McClean magically becoming (more) Irish by flying south?

Airbus A320s are magic?

dreamers75

Stovelid thats shocking, you would suck on Catchphrase.

IFA must be pissed at this stage, hopefully Bruce will soften the blow

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newballsplease wrote: »

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tallaghtmick wrote: »

plane+magician=plain magic:pac:......no really

mike65 wrote: »

Something to do with James McClean magically becoming (more) Irish by flying south?

Airbus A320s are magic?

He's taken the "magic flight" that means once a player leaves the LoI he becomes good enough for a call up to the national team.

If players don't make that navigation of sorcery, and stay playing in the LoI, they don't get a call-up.

It's great.

stovelid

tallaghtmick wrote: »

plane+magician=plain magic:pac:......no really

I may be way out here, but are you trying to subtly imply a sense of confusion here?

super_furry

Des wrote: »

If players don't make that navigation of sorcery, and stay playing in the LoI, they don't get a call-up.

It's great.

Exactly. Alan Mannus, playing in the Champions League and being the best goalkeeper in the league isn't anywhere good enough for a Northern Ireland call-up.

However two days after he moves to Scotland to sit on St Johnson's bench, he's suddenly improved enough to earn a cap.

stovelid

As I said on the other thread though: Good fee for Derry and good move for McClean and they lose their best player so good news for other clubs in title chase.

In fairness, I think the northern Ireland thing has a darker motivation as players from the Irish League get called up and yet players like Mannus and Turner from a stronger league don't.

newballsplease

He actually hasnt been called up yet tho?

super_furry

newballsplease wrote: »

He actually hasnt been called up yet tho?

For the Republic? No. For Northern Ireland? Yes, he was called into the squad but Worthington made a point of saying that he wouldn't be playing. Yesterday he withdrew from the squad and declared that he wants to play for Trap.

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newballsplease wrote: »

He actually hasnt been called up yet tho?

He will though.

tallaghtmick

stovelid wrote: »

I may be way out here, but are you trying to subtly imply a sense of confusion here?

Is that better Da Vinci?

IRISHSPORTSGUY

Des wrote: »

He will though.

McGeady, Duff, Hunt, Treacy, McClean....the left wing slot is becoming a bit of an embarrassment of riches now. Wish we had similar problems in central midfield.

stovelid

tallaghtmick wrote: »

Is that better Da Vinci?

I am a bush?

Paully D

It'll be interesting to see how this transfer turns out.

Bruce has a track record at Sunderland of giving youngsters opportunities when they deserve them (Meyler, Colback, Henderson) so if he steps up he'll definitely be given a chance.

Hopefully he turns out to be more of a Meyler/Coleman than an O'Donovan, but either way the club will see it as a cheap gamble!

TheRedDevil10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peWCoAWhJLw

Paully D

TheRedDevil10 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peWCoAWhJLw

Ji Dong-Won speaks better English than him and he's only been in the country for 4 weeks :pac:

KungPao

Paully D wrote: »

Ji Dong-Won speaks better English than him and he's only been in the country for 4 weeks :pac:

Interviewer: We've heard a lot about your boots...how many boots do you have?

JMcC: (laughs) I think it been a hoors jerrrrrababarerrra, nu. gut. bu. 10 pairs.

population

I love the complete brain shutdown look on his face when the interviewer calls him the Imelda Marcos of the Airtricity League

dfx-

KungPao wrote: »

JMcC: (laughs) I think it been a hoors jerrrrrababarerrra, nu. gut. bu. 10 pairs.

He's not from Cork, so he's understandable enough.. :pac:

He said...I think it's been more exaggerated a little bit, but nah, I've got about 10 pairs.

dreamers75

Suppose may as well turn this thread into an IFA vs FAI debate and inconsistencies of it all for both sides.

Mc Court as any LOI fan will tell you is fcuking awesome a real talent but with "issues" he never played a single game for a nordie club and as soon as he left LOI he was in the "squad".

He always wanted to play for Ireland but was denied that chance, hes a mercurial talent thats needs to be coached. Imo one of the best players ever to play in Richmond.

Why do both countries fcuk away talent thats on their doorstep in the insane belief thats once they get the "magic airplane"tm Stovelid they are somehow good enough....even before the plane lands.

Both countries fcuked if they dont realise we both have the players playing in our countries but refuse to play them due to that fact.

in ireland we create brillant players we just assume if they dont make it in england they are not good enough, our coaching structure is fcuking brilliant but we dont do anything for the pieces of meat that england doesnt want.

feel old now(said this before) but we MUST provide the leftovers of the english footballer trade with PAID football to ensure the hard work done at youth level is rewarded. BUT without people who have only one interest(EPL fans) not going to LOI games we will struggle to PAY these lads.


Seriosuly sickens me when an EPL fan says LOI players are ****.e cos their team fcuked them out at 17. If we dont support our own....seriously you have no right to bitch about Clinton fcuking morrison playing for us.


Epic pointless rant

flahavaj

^^^^

Goal was more the genius of Evans than Mc Court tbh. Plus the right back was probably a fisherman or something.:pac:

bohsman

flahavaj wrote: »

^^^^

Goal was more the genius of Evans than Mc Court tbh. Plus the right back was probably a fisherman or something.:pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybNNZub3Psc

Wexler12

McClean was out on his own this season in the LOI, great player

stovelid

dreamers75 wrote: »

once they get the "magic airplane"tm Stovelid they are somehow good enough....even before the plane lands.

I nicked it from Des.

The Chessplayer

super_furry wrote: »

All the same you still feel that this is going to continue to happen until there's real reform within the Northern Ireland set-up.

I don't think reform is the issue at all. The good friday agreement gives northerners the right to claim a southern passport. The lad is Irish. A huge section of the footballing people in the north support ROI. Why the hell should they support Norn Iron?

Paul4As

The Chessplayer wrote: »

I don't think reform is the issue at all. The good friday agreement gives northerners the right to claim a southern passport. The lad is Irish. A huge section of the footballing people in the north support ROI. Why the hell should they support Norn Iron?

Agree with you on everything...although there are both Irish and British players currently playing for the Northern Ireland team.
I'm sure there are a few catholics / Irish who support Northern Ireland as well...I know one!
Funny hearing "Are you watching James McClean" at Windsor last night.
Never heard of the fella before...but from reports he seems a very good prospect. Best of luck to him.

stovelid

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Why the hell should they support Norn Iron?

Because it's a dumb name?

newballsplease

Paul4As wrote: »

Agree with you on everything...although there are both Irish and British players currently playing for the Northern Ireland team.
I'm sure there are a few catholics / Irish who support Northern Ireland as well...I know one!
Funny hearing "Are you watching James McClean" at Windsor last night.
Never heard of the fella before...but from reports he seems a very good prospect. Best of luck to him.

Funny thing is, I doubt he was! Id say he was unfortunate enough to be watching the Croatia match............... and what a match it was :eek:

aquascrotum

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Why the hell should they support Norn Iron?

Don't think the IFA or NI supporters gripe is with people supporting the RoI or even playing for RoI.

The issue at play is when a player is happy to play for NI at schoolboy, U17, U19, U21, and even senior friendly levels in the case of some individuals (standing through GSTQ, Ulster Banner flying etc all the while) - yet suddenly gets a whisper the FAI might be looking and decides his future lies elsewhere. Political beliefs are formed a bit before a 21st birthday (especially in NI)...I believe McClean may even be 22?

Thats a lot of time, effort, and money out the window for the IFA which could be spent on a player who wants to play for NI but is excluded in favour of the likes of McClean.

I don't believe the IFA have any alternative but to ensure that those players who are asked to represent the association at youth levels, certainly at U21 levels, give some indication that they intend remaining open for selection for NI or at least don't have some firm held predication against playing for NI.

dfx-

super_furry wrote: »

Exactly. Alan Mannus, playing in the Champions League and being the best goalkeeper in the league isn't anywhere good enough for a Northern Ireland call-up.

Not only that, but the manager not even aware whether he was playing when he was called up.

citytillidie

aquascrotum wrote: »

Don't think the IFA or NI supporters gripe is with people supporting the RoI or even playing for RoI.

The issue at play is when a player is happy to play for NI at schoolboy, U17, U19, U21, and even senior friendly levels in the case of some individuals (standing through GSTQ, Ulster Banner flying etc all the while) - yet suddenly gets a whisper the FAI might be looking and decides his future lies elsewhere. Political beliefs are formed a bit before a 21st birthday (especially in NI)...I believe McClean may even be 22?

Thats a lot of time, effort, and money out the window for the IFA which could be spent on a player who wants to play for NI but is excluded in favour of the likes of McClean.

I don't believe the IFA have any alternative but to ensure that those players who are asked to represent the association at youth levels, certainly at U21 levels, give some indication that they intend remaining open for selection for NI or at least don't have some firm held predication against playing for NI.

Well for school boys you cant play outside the school area your from so if a guy goes to school in Derry and is good enough he will play for NI schools. Then there is the cost at other underage levels for people to go to. Like if your from the North then it is cheaper to travel with those underage teams to Belfast or Ballymena than travel to Dublin and even as far as Cork for games. Its unfair but since the Good Friday agreement its what happened.

James McClean took part in the Milk Cup in 2008 for N.I and then went straight to Derry City and over those 3 years only played 7 games at U21 level so I doubt the IFA spent much money on him.

It was only now when scouts and the big build up that he got from SKY from that Dublin Cup did Wortherton took any notice of him.

Just like he mainly ignored Paddy McCourt and Niall McGinn when they played for Derry, only came into his radar when they went to the Celtic reserves.

As others have said Rovers keep Alan Mannus has been good all season yet Worthington does not bother to watch or know when he plays. It seams he does not know there is a League or Ireland and just thinks there is the Irish League

fullstop

flahavaj wrote: »

^^^^

Goal was more the genius of Evans than Mc Court tbh. Plus the right back was probably a fisherman or something.:pac:

Did you happen to watch the second half of the video :rolleyes:

CSF

Jaysus I expected the McCourt goals to be much better than they were based on all I'd heard about them

dreamers75

citytillidie wrote: »

As others have said Rovers keep Alan Mannus has been good all season yet Worthington does not bother to watch or know when he plays. It seams he does not know there is a League or Ireland and just thinks there is the Irish League

Would say he doesnt give a **** about it and its to there detriment.

Btw Rogers is the best keeper in LOI and has been since the start of the season :pac:

As for the cost of coaching these players, thats ****e the clubs do the coaching.

The Chessplayer

aquascrotum wrote: »

Thats a lot of time, effort, and money out the window for the IFA which could be spent on a player who wants to play for NI but is excluded in favour of the likes of McClean.

I don't believe the IFA have any alternative but to ensure that those players who are asked to represent the association at youth levels, certainly at U21 levels, give some indication that they intend remaining open for selection for NI or at least don't have some firm held predication against playing for NI.

When a footballer is at underage level, he has to think selfishly. It's odds on that his dream to be a professional footballer will never come to pass. The offer of underage football with NI helps get his name out there. As for loyalty, he owes them nothing.

If the IFA are so concerned about this, then they should just tell the FAI about the player when he's at underage level as the FAI don't have the same access to players up north that the IFA have. So bloody what if he makes the switch? NI will still carry on. With or without him they will still lose all their games.

Paul4As

The Chessplayer wrote: »

When a footballer is at underage level, he has to think selfishly. It's odds on that his dream to be a professional footballer will never come to pass. The offer of underage football with NI helps get his name out there. As for loyalty, he owes them nothing.

If the IFA are so concerned about this, then they should just tell the FAI about the player when he's at underage level as the FAI don't have the same access to players up north that the IFA have. So bloody what if he makes the switch? NI will still carry on. With or without him they will still lose all their games.

Playing for your country is not like playing for a club side. You don't get paid that much to play for your country...probably just appearance money. Therefore it is about loyalty and representing the country where you or your family was brought up.

As for the FAI wanting access to young players at underage levels...FAI don't seem to want them at under 16, under 18 or even under 21 level...only when they are poised for the full squad. Why would FAI put in effort to nurture young players and invest money when the IFA can do it for them?

Kingdom Bhoy

James McLean has been playing well for SAFC reserves scoring against Newcastle and was on the bench for the first team v Chelsea last Saturday.