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logical expressions without using negation

  • 07-08-2011 7:39pm
    #1
    Bummer1234
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    Hi guys,Just going over exam papers and coming over different results for the following question(Might be abit sleep as its a sunday :rolleyes: ),What is the correct answers tho :o

    Give equivalent logical expressions for the following without using negation:

    1) !(a > b)
    2) !(a <= b && c <= d)
    3) !(a + 1 == b + 1)
    4) !(a < 1 || b < 2 && c <3)

    Many thanks in advanced.


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  • #2
    murraykil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭murraykil


    1) !(a > b)
    2) !(a <= b && c <= d)
    3) !(a + 1 == b + 1)
    4) !(a < 1 || b < 2 && c <3)

    a <= b
    a > b && c > d
    a > b ¦¦ b > a
    a >= 1 ¦¦ b >= 2 && c >= 3


  • #3
    Bummer1234
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    murraykil wrote: »
    1) !(a > b)
    2) !(a <= b && c <= d)
    3) !(a + 1 == b + 1)
    4) !(a < 1 || b < 2 && c <3)

    a <= b
    a > b && c > d
    a > b ¦¦ b > a
    a >= 1 ¦¦ b >= 2 && c >= 3

    Had the first one but could not figure the 2-4 ones...Thanks a million murraykil


  • #4
    tehjimmeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭tehjimmeh


    murraykil wrote: »
    1) !(a > b)
    2) !(a <= b && c <= d)
    3) !(a + 1 == b + 1)
    4) !(a < 1 || b < 2 && c <3)

    a <= b
    a > b && c > d
    a > b ¦¦ b > a
    a >= 1 ¦¦ b >= 2 && c >= 3
    Err.. no.


    1)
    !(a > b)
    a <= b

    2)
    !(a <= b && c <= d)
    !(a <= b) || !(c <= d) ... De Morgan's law
    a > b || c > d

    3)
    !(a + 1 == b + 1)
    a + 1 != b + 1

    4)
    !(a < 1 || b < 2 && c < 3)
    !(a < 1) && !(b < 2 && c < 3) ... De Morgan's law
    !(a < 1) && !(b < 2) || !(c < 3) ... De Morgan's law
    a >= 1 && b >= 2 || c >= 3


  • #5
    onemorechance
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    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    without using negation
    tehjimmeh wrote: »
    Err.. no.
    3)
    !(a + 1 == b + 1)
    a + 1 != b + 1
    :confused:


  • #6
    tehjimmeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭tehjimmeh


    The not equal to operator isn't negation.


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  • #7
    onemorechance
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    tehjimmeh wrote: »
    The not equal to operator isn't negation.

    I would have thought that's exactly what it is. :confused:


  • #8
    boblong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭boblong


    I would have thought that's exactly what it is.

    Surely negation is unary, but not-equals is binary (2-arity) no?


  • #9
    onemorechance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭onemorechance


    Yes, that distinction makes it clear to me now! Good stuff!


  • #10
    murraykil
    Closed Accounts Posts: 460 ✭✭murraykil


    Bummer1234 wrote: »
    Had the first one but could not figure the 2-4 ones...Thanks a million murraykil
    tehjimmeh wrote: »
    Err.. no.


    1)
    !(a > b)
    a <= b

    2)
    !(a <= b && c <= d)
    !(a <= b) || !(c <= d) ... De Morgan's law
    a > b || c > d

    3)
    !(a + 1 == b + 1)
    a + 1 != b + 1

    4)
    !(a < 1 || b < 2 && c < 3)
    !(a < 1) && !(b < 2 && c < 3) ... De Morgan's law
    !(a < 1) && !(b < 2) || !(c < 3) ... De Morgan's law
    a >= 1 && b >= 2 || c >= 3

    Ooops! Sorry! :o


  • #11
    iDigian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25 ✭iDigian


    tehjimmeh wrote: »
    The not equal to operator isn't negation.

    Are you not negating the equals?


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  • #12
    srsly78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    3) (a > b) || (a < b)

    edit: oops second post got it. Just pointing out the +1 is a red herring.


  • #13
    tehjimmeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭tehjimmeh


    iDigian wrote: »
    Are you not negating the equals?
    No...

    Negation is a unary operation on an expression equal to true if the expression is false and false if the expression is true.
    The not equal to operator is a binary operation on two expressions which equates to true if the expressions do not equate to both true or both false.

    It's the negation of equality in the same sense that >= is the negation of <. The point here is not to use the unary negation operator, which it does not. It's commonly written in programming as "!=", and perhaps the exclamation mark is causing confusion? I could have also written it like 'a + 1 != b + 1', 'a + 1 ≠ b + 1' or 'a + 1 <> b + 1'.


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