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University Rugby

  • 07-08-2011 6:03pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10


    Hey,

    Firstly I am new to this forum, I hope I am putting this into the correct category. Maybe into Rugby League? Then again I have mostly general questions...

    I used to play American Football at High School and now that I am going to go to University in Scotland I want to switch to Rugby, as it is also the national sport of my home country.

    However I have several questions which I do not want to wait for to get answered when I arrive at the University.

    How hard do you reckon will the switch be?

    Does anyone know when the University First Division Rugby season starts?

    I am 12.2 stone at 5'11'' and run the 40 (36m) in 4.4 on a good day and 4.6 on a bad day. I have a 125kg 1RM bench, 160 1RM deadlift, 170 1RM squat.

    Do I need to gain some weight to play winger?
    If yes, I am doing plyometrics already and weight lifting in order to avoid losing speed.

    Am I fast enough to play winger?

    Don't get me wrong, if I do play I do not want to be a sub, I want to be the best I can be!

    Regards,
    40
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭theboss80


    Have you any Irish grandparents? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 40Flash


    Haha, not American, am South African!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    40Flash wrote: »
    Haha, not American, am South African!
    might wanna find a scottish forum they will be able to tell you more about when the league starts and stuff. I think most of the top univerities focus more on putting teams in national league than the varsity league.

    Winger would probably be a good position for you since they don't have to ruck and pass as much which would probably be good if you come with no rugby experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭LightningBolt


    40Flash wrote: »
    Hey,

    Firstly I am new to this forum, I hope I am putting this into the correct category. Maybe into Rugby League? Then again I have mostly general questions...

    I used to play American Football at High School and now that I am going to go to University in Scotland I want to switch to Rugby, as it is also the national sport of my home country.

    However I have several questions which I do not want to wait for to get answered when I arrive at the University.

    How hard do you reckon will the switch be?

    Does anyone know when the University First Division Rugby season starts?

    I am 12.2 stone at 5'11'' and run the 40 (36m) in 4.4 on a good day and 4.6 on a bad day. I have a 125kg 1RM bench, 160 1RM deadlift, 170 1RM squat.

    Do I need to gain some weight to play winger?
    If yes, I am doing plyometrics already and weight lifting in order to avoid losing speed.

    Am I fast enough to play winger?

    Don't get me wrong, if I do play I do not want to be a sub, I want to be the best I can be!

    Regards,
    40

    You're definitely fast enough to play wing. If you're going to Edinburgh their uni side Edinburgh Academics has about 5 teams so you'd easily be able to get into a 3rd string side at the start and then work your way up throughout the season.

    With regards the difficulty of the switch I don't think it will be that hard. I say that having played with American and Canadians for three years over in North America. Lots of ex football players take the sport up. Since you're playing in the backs and on the wing it's a pretty easy transition. The most difficult positions are usually the most technical like propping, playing scrum half and out half. Basic handling like popping off in the tackle and stuff like that will take time to develop but will come with practice.

    The only advice I'll give from having watched first time ex-football players play is that you don't ALWAYS have to try and decapitate a guy! Once or twice a match is fine, just don't rush up and look for the big hit constantly!

    Enjoy the game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 40Flash


    You're definitely fast enough to play wing. If you're going to Edinburgh their uni side Edinburgh Academics has about 5 teams so you'd easily be able to get into a 3rd string side at the start and then work your way up throughout the season.

    With regards the difficulty of the switch I don't think it will be that hard. I say that having played with American and Canadians for three years over in North America. Lots of ex football players take the sport up. Since you're playing in the backs and on the wing it's a pretty easy transition. The most difficult positions are usually the most technical like propping, playing scrum half and out half. Basic handling like popping off in the tackle and stuff like that will take time to develop but will come with practice.

    The only advice I'll give from having watched first time ex-football players play is that you don't ALWAYS have to try and decapitate a guy! Once or twice a match is fine, just don't rush up and look for the big hit constantly!

    Enjoy the game.

    Thank you very much, exactly the response I was seeking.

    Since I have posted it yesterday I had a sprint training...and now I either have a stage 1 or stage 2 hamstring strain, will know more once I have been to the physio in 2 hours. :(

    I will be going to Aberdeen University. They probably have a kind of practice squad too, so should be able to work my way up like you said.

    Figured that, good thing is that I am too light to even try out for those positions. Plus got a little ball handling skills having played WR/RB, PR/KR. Tackling wise I heard that the head positioning is different.

    That will probably be the most helpful advise of all, played Safety for a year and that was loads of fun! To be honest kind of anxious for my first rugby hit (receiving) to see how hard it really is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    40Flash wrote: »
    To be honest kind of anxious for my first rugby hit (receiving) to see how hard it really is.

    AFAIK american football hits would be a lot harder due to short burst nature of it, so I wouldn't be to worried about that aspect of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭theKramer


    Most colleges would have an orientation week, where all the clubs and societies try to get people to sign up, so I would imagine the rugby team would be no different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭LightningBolt


    40Flash wrote: »
    Thank you very much, exactly the response I was seeking.

    Since I have posted it yesterday I had a sprint training...and now I either have a stage 1 or stage 2 hamstring strain, will know more once I have been to the physio in 2 hours. :(

    I will be going to Aberdeen University. They probably have a kind of practice squad too, so should be able to work my way up like you said.

    Figured that, good thing is that I am too light to even try out for those positions. Plus got a little ball handling skills having played WR/RB, PR/KR. Tackling wise I heard that the head positioning is different.

    That will probably be the most helpful advise of all, played Safety for a year and that was loads of fun! To be honest kind of anxious for my first rugby hit (receiving) to see how hard it really is.

    To be honest on the wing and with decent pace you're not going to take many full on hits unless you come plundering infield and decide to run laterally across the pitch! Some might disagree with me on that but it's rare to see wingers take big hits out wide, if you're coming through the line in a move though that's a different story!

    Most tackles imo would be people looking to drag you down/push you into touch if you're.

    As for tackling, you'll have to adjust your current approach which tends to be below the knee in AF or as a safety you'd look to get a bump on as the receiver is catching the ball. Tackles need to be made with your arms wrapping the ball carrier i.e. you can't throw a shoulder in to someone's gut without bringing the arms around the carriers body. Head position should always be the inside leg of the carrier. I.e if he's running at your right shoulder you're going to and target your head on his right thigh.

    Once you're hamstring is sorted go sign up and have a run around. Seeing as you're athletic enough you'll pick the game up in no time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 40Flash


    @JoeTheSanta: Should be fun then!

    @theKramer: Yes they do, but it isnt for another month and wanted to know some things before going there (:

    @LightningBolt

    Alright, I think the coaches will have me stick strictly to my position anyways since I will come in a rookie so that should not be a big problem.

    Same ways of breaking tackles as in American Football I would imagine.

    The hands around the ball carriers body part is very useful, so even if the guy runs on the sideline I cannot launch myself into him (shoulder against shoulder) from the side to get him to lose balance and go out of bounds?
    Once my hamstring is good again in a few weeks I will get some of my friends to practice tackling on.

    Alright, thanks a lot, helped a lot with visualizing what I can and can't do and what to expect.

    With the Rugby World Cup coming up I will be watching many games (since South Africa will go to the finals :D) so that will help too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭Funk It


    Nearly sure that Aberdeen Uni has 5 teams, or they had a year or so ago anyways. I remember chatting to their firsts after a game in their rugby pub (the Bobbin or something) and they said that they have loads at training. They probably play saturday league sides as well, which would be another step down.

    They are eager about their rugby up in Aberdeen Uni, so I would tell you to give it a go, they seem to be welcoming to all.

    Some of the lower levels of Uni rugby I have seen in Scotland are pretty weak, even the top division is lacking a bit. I know the Uni team I was with had 3 teams, with our 3s sometimes playing wingers who would struggle to catch a cold, being more of a social setup.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Funk It wrote: »
    Some of the lower levels of Uni rugby I have seen in Scotland are pretty weak, even the top division is lacking a bit. I know the Uni team I was with had 3 teams, with our 3s sometimes playing wingers who would struggle to catch a cold, being more of a social setup.
    the top teams in the top division focus more on the Hydro Electric National League more than the Uni league I think


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 40Flash


    Funk It wrote: »
    Nearly sure that Aberdeen Uni has 5 teams, or they had a year or so ago anyways. I remember chatting to their firsts after a game in their rugby pub (the Bobbin or something) and they said that they have loads at training. They probably play saturday league sides as well, which would be another step down.

    They are eager about their rugby up in Aberdeen Uni, so I would tell you to give it a go, they seem to be welcoming to all.

    Some of the lower levels of Uni rugby I have seen in Scotland are pretty weak, even the top division is lacking a bit. I know the Uni team I was with had 3 teams, with our 3s sometimes playing wingers who would struggle to catch a cold, being more of a social setup.

    Yeah I have checked the Wikipedia website of their rugby team, and they got 3 teams playing in the Uni League for sure and probably like you said some further which play less serious.

    I noticed that when I visited the University last October, but unfortunately I did not have enough time to meet any of their rugby players.

    Haha well I am in it for playing seriously and winning so now that I know what all you guys kindly told me I think I just need to wait, and give it a shot and see what they think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Aside from the rugby/football technical differences purely on fitness your bench seems a bit out of proportion to your squat/DL but if you can get the numbers up of the latter two I'd say youll have no problem at any sort of casual level. Youre not going to find many backs benching 125KG at 18 who arent involved at elite schools level I'd wager.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 40Flash


    Blut2 wrote: »
    Aside from the rugby/football technical differences purely on fitness your bench seems a bit out of proportion to your squat/DL but if you can get the numbers up of the latter two I'd say youll have no problem at any sort of casual level. Youre not going to find many backs benching 125KG at 18 who arent involved at elite schools level I'd wager.

    Yeah you are 100% right, the reason for this is the gym I go to (more focused on the general population) has no squat rack and hence I had to find alternatives such as smith machine. Of course not being able to develop my leg muscle properly also made my DL suffer. Seeing as Aberdeen has Olympic standard sport facilities they have all the equipment. Plus I will finally be properly supplementing which means that it will hopefully go up in no time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Pro-tip - when you first cross the try line, don't fire the ball into the ground and start a ridiculous dance; carefully touch the ball down against the ground, then run back towards your teammates with a slightly embarrassed, sheepish look on your face.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 40Flash


    Pro-tip - when you first cross the try line, don't fire the ball into the ground and start a ridiculous dance; carefully touch the ball down against the ground, then run back towards your teammates with a slightly embarrassed, sheepish look on your face.

    so all my dance routines are for nothing... :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭Funk It


    the top teams in the top division focus more on the Hydro Electric National League more than the Uni league I think

    To my knowledge only Edinburgh Uni are involved in that, I know they won the division last year (we took the Cup though...) and are playing in the English League this year , we are trying to organize a friendly against them, try to give them a tough game before they head out of the Scottish competition.

    I know the majority of our players are mainly club players, alike when I played back in Ireland, but with restraints on club players in the Prem 1 (we have players from Melrose, Dundee HS, Heriots...), we could only put out full sides every so often. Club rugby is where its mainly at, but Uni rugby I find to be more fun over here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,407 ✭✭✭✭justsomebloke


    This all begs the question, how did an american with south African heritage that is going to play Rugby in Scotland end up on an Irish website:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 40Flash


    This all begs the question, how did an american with south African heritage that is going to play Rugby in Scotland end up on an Irish website:D

    Its not as complicated as it sounds, not even American. To be honest, I don't know, I just googled some rugby related things and this forum came up.

    Prefer playing for my Uni than for a club (:


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