Could someone answer these question?

ozzz

Hey folks. I have two questions and would like it if someone could answer them.

1. Why does TCD award a B.A in maths instead of a B.Sc and does it matter hugely?

2. If I have two courses down on my CAO form, both for which I have enough points, is there any way I could somehow accept the one further down on the list when offers are out?

NeuroCat

1) The B.A is awarded in most of the degrees from Trinity. This is a matter of tradition and will not affect your job prospects as a result.

2) I don't think it's possible to select a course further down the cao list if you receive an offer for a course placed higher up.

EuropeanSon

NeuroCat's answers are both correct. You cannot choose a lower CAO choice if offered a higher one.

Gae

You may be able to transfer internally before the term begins if you have enough points and there are spaces available. You should probably contact the Admissions Office. As I understand it, you would accept the course you're offered on the CAO and then ask to transfer to the other course.

NeuroCat

Gae is correct, provided that the course you are offered and the course you wish to transfer into are in the same college.

Most courses allow transfers if there is space and you have the points, however, be careful if you are looking to do medicine, they don't allow transfers even if you have the points. (In Trinity anyways, I believe Queens allows transfers into medicine but only if you are coming from a medicine related course + with extenuating circumstances)

bscm

ozzz wrote: »

1. Why does TCD award a B.A in maths instead of a B.Sc and does it matter hugely?

We had this explained during the MPOD, most B.A's in TCD are B.A. Mod's which means "you should be able to communicate what you have learned during your degree to someone who hasn't the foggiest".

They aren't looked down on compared to a B.Sc from UCD or DIT etc, if anything most employers see "Trinity" and are sold

Brian

Is there a dental clinic on/linked to campus where I can get a check-up cheaply?

Back in NZ my primary school had a state-sponsored dentist on the grounds with free treatment :c

Kwekubo

It can be possible to attend the student clinics at the Dental Hospital free of charge, but as far as I'm aware there's a long waiting list and I'm not exactly sure how you go about it.

(You're from NZ?)

Sid_Justice

bscm wrote: »

We had this explained during the MPOD, most B.A's in TCD are B.A. Mod's which means "you should be able to communicate what you have learned during your degree to someone who hasn't the foggiest".

They aren't looked down on compared to a B.Sc from UCD or DIT etc, if anything most employers see "Trinity" and are sold

I think people should stop attempting to speak for other people. How do you know how someone else feels about the title of your degree. If you apply for job / higher degree in the United States you'd be lucky if they ever even heard of Dublin never mind Trinity. Trinity is not a big name internationally, it really, really isn't. You could argue it has 500 times more international prestige than UCD but it would still be an international nobody except in one or two fields.

When applying for a job / higher degree you may have to explain that your BA in Science or Maths is the exact equivalent of a B.Sc but for classical traditional reasons your university awards BAs because it's really old.

Ask your self what's the name of the biggest most prestigious 3rd level institute in France, Sweden, Switzerland. Unless you've happened to have dealings with an individual from some such place and they've told you something about them, 99% of people don't know the names of them and would guess they're named after the city they are in. I think it's highly naive and a little arrogant someone would think people outside of Ireland and the Uk (and in some places that's pushing it) have heard of TCD

andrew

Sid_Justice wrote: »

I think it's highly naive and a little arrogant someone would think people outside of Ireland and the Uk (and in some places that's pushing it) have heard of TCD

There are americans and other foreigners I know who've come to Trinity specifically (or in a large part) because it's got a good international reputation. I'm not arguing that this reputation is justified, just that according to some acecdata it exists. This might be because any foreigner who knows about Ireland or has visited it has probably visited Trinity and the book of Kells, and thus been exposed to Trinity's reputation. And I imagine Trinity does promote itself abroad too. In addition, even if the average person on the street in a different country doesn't know what the top colleges in a country are, then I'd say HR and recruitment people do, given that it's their job to. These people probably know about Trinity, given it's one of the top 50 (or close to it) in the world.

Brian

Kwekubo wrote: »

It can be possible to attend the student clinics at the Dental Hospital free of charge, but as far as I'm aware there's a long waiting list and I'm not exactly sure how you go about it.

(You're from NZ?)

I attended primary school there, yes.

By "student clinics" you mean the equivalent of those people in the street offering free haircuts?

ED E

Baza210 wrote: »

I attended primary school there, yes.

By "student clinics" you mean the equivalent of those people in the street offering free haircuts?

I believe my sister has been in to them a few times, they would appear to be quite competent.

Gae

Sid_Justice wrote: »

If you apply for job / higher degree in the United States you'd be lucky if they ever even heard of Dublin never mind Trinity.

If they're so moronic as to have not heard of Dublin then I think I would rather not work with them and certainly not do a higher degree with them.

Sid_Justice

andrew wrote: »

There are americans and other foreigners I know who've come to Trinity specifically (or in a large part) because it's got a good international reputation. I'm not arguing that this reputation is justified, just that according to some acecdata it exists. This might be because any foreigner who knows about Ireland or has visited it has probably visited Trinity and the book of Kells, and thus been exposed to Trinity's reputation. And I imagine Trinity does promote itself abroad too. In addition, even if the average person on the street in a different country doesn't know what the top colleges in a country are, then I'd say HR and recruitment people do, given that it's their job to. These people probably know about Trinity, given it's one of the top 50 (or close to it) in the world.

I would challenge that and say the people that come to TCD from non-EU countries seek to go to university in Ireland and find out consequently that TCD is the biggest name in the country. They're not cherry picking TCD because it offers a better education then their own country (I thought TCD was closer to 100 than 50 in world rankings) but rather they are seeking highly exclusive courses (usually medicine).

There have always been the guys from the UK that don't get into Oxford, don't get into Cambridge and don't get into a nicely named london school so go to dublin to avoid 'slumming it' in newcastle or liverpool.

A degree from TCD will open more doors than it closes but it's not in the same league as ivy-league/ Oxbridge universities (by some distance) and people shouldn't be under that impression.

Sid_Justice

Gae wrote: »

If they're so moronic as to have not heard of Dublin then I think I would rather not work with them and certainly not do a higher degree with them.

Newsflash, Ireland is a small island on the edge of Europe whose chief exports are Guinness, Westlife and Enya. A lot of very well educated, qualified and successful people from North America, Africa and Asia may not have a good knowledge of Western Europe geographical trivia.

Jammyc

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Newsflash, Ireland is a small island on the edge of Europe whose chief exports are Guinness, Westlife and Enya. A lot of very well educated, qualified and successful people from North America, Africa and Asia may not have a good knowledge of Western Europe geographical trivia.

That and pharmaceuticals, were 2nd globally I think for pharmaceutical exports.

andrew

Sid_Justice wrote: »

A degree from TCD will open more doors than it closes but it's not in the same league as ivy-league/ Oxbridge universities (by some distance) and people shouldn't be under that impression.

Oh, I wasn't arguing that at all. Of course Trinity is nowhere near as good as Oxbridge (despite an Historical relationship which people feel implies otherwise). I was just saying that there's a pinch of truth to the idea that Trinity has a decent international reputation.

The reality is that the majority of people here will end up working either in Ireland and the UK though. In that regard, Trinity I think would open a lot more doors than it closes.

Sid_Justice

As does a degree from any institution.

I don't work in or around the pharmaceutical industry but I would accept your point at face value that Ireland does export a lot of pharmaceuticals. Whether this is related to Trinity (which has a pharmacy course and a medical chemistry course but no pharmaceutical/pharmacology course) or in fact is more closely related to our tax incentives for massive multinational companies.

The strongest link between TCD and pharmaceutical industry might be the company that were to sponsor the building of a sports centre.

bscm

Sid_Justice wrote: »

If you apply for job / higher degree in the United States you'd be lucky if they ever even heard of Dublin never mind Trinity. Trinity is not a big name internationally, it really, really isn't.

I think it's highly naive and a little arrogant someone would think people outside of Ireland and the Uk (and in some places that's pushing it) have heard of TCD

I'm basing my opinions on my experiences.

My friend's father and mother were educated at Brown and Harvard respectively. Both agree that TCD is recognised widely in the US. Another friend is part German and French, and his extended family also recognise and know about TCD.

I have had the opportunity to meet and befriend people who have studied at Cambridge, Yale and the University in Riems, all say that while they know of some Irish colleges, they all have heard of TCD's reputation.

We may be a small country but people nowadays aren't ignorant. Ireland is viewed at as fairly significant tourist destination, and many international students want to study here.

Brian

Everyone's heard of the Book of Kells. Learnt all I know from it.