Running Shoes and injuries ?

Seres

has anyone on here ever gotten injuries due to changing the make of running shoes they normally use ?

rainbow kirby

Had to switch back to a more supportive shoe after the bout of ITBS I picked up during the Barcelona marathon (Mizuno Wave Inspire 6 -> Asics Gel-Kayano 17), if that counts.

brownian

yup. Tried a pair of brooks (from my usual amphibian king supplier) for about a month. Savage ITB issues ensued. Went back to Asics, did ITB fixing stretches, problem solved.

To be fair to brooks, I think the drop between heel and forefoot was less than I was used to...surprised that AK staff didn't catch this one.

Am certain that if went to v.flat or barefoot shoe, would be injured within a week.

pconn062

I got gait analysis done and found out I slightly overpronated so got a pair of saucony runners, everytime I wore them I ended up with blisters, sore legs, they seemed very hard and the seemed to send more shock up my legs. Went back to my trusty neutral asics

chinguetti

brownian wrote: »

yup. Tried a pair of brooks (from my usual amphibian king supplier) for about a month. Savage ITB issues ensued. Went back to Asics, did ITB fixing stretches, problem solved.

To be fair to brooks, I think the drop between heel and forefoot was less than I was used to...surprised that AK staff didn't catch this one.

Am certain that if went to v.flat or barefoot shoe, would be injured within a week.

Was the same with me. Wear the Mizuno Wave Inspire 6 but the 7 is a terrible shoe. Was told the Brooks was the job but can only wear it for less than 4 miles while i am on grass or my Achilles hurts and/or i get plantars problems.

No idea what i can do when i wear out the Wave Inspires. Mizuno, if you are reading this, go back to the 6 please.

RacoonQueen

My only running 'injury' odd niggle aside like, came from shoes.

Back in 2009 I got a pair of mizuno wave creation and they wrecked my right ITB - I still have problems with this as well. Haven't worn mizuno since. A couple of other people I know had ITB issues with the wave creation as well.

caseyjones1

Racoon Queen, can I ask which shoe you went back to after the Mizuno?
I am currently off the road with a hoor of an ITB, it hurts to even walk, and I feel personally that my shoes (Saucony Hurricane - they were offered to me as an alternative to the Mizuno Wave Inspire which was what I was wearing when the niggle began) are to blame. I am thinking of changing to Asics, but want to make the change now as I am supposed to be doing the marathon, although admittedly it's unlikely with an injury at this stage.

Thanks.

ger664

When changing shoes even between different brands or versions of the same shoe its best to do it after a break in your training. I normally do it after a marathon when mileage will be at its lowest.

RacoonQueen

caseyjones1 wrote: »

Racoon Queen, can I ask which shoe you went back to after the Mizuno?
I am currently off the road with a hoor of an ITB, it hurts to even walk, and I feel personally that my shoes (Saucony Hurricane - they were offered to me as an alternative to the Mizuno Wave Inspire which was what I was wearing when the niggle began) are to blame. I am thinking of changing to Asics, but want to make the change now as I am supposed to be doing the marathon, although admittedly it's unlikely with an injury at this stage.

Thanks.

When I finally got back training, I went back to asics nimbus. Few weeks later I picked up a pair of Lunarglides and started to transition them in.

Macanri

Ran in Asics 1150, progressed to 2140s then Kayanos 15s. Went to AK and got a pair of Brooks Adrenline 11. (I also got a pair of Brooks ST Racers - which I find great for short races) A few weeks running in the Adr 11s I got a mild 'shin splint type pain' in the sides of my legs, so went back to Kayanos 17's.

Thinking of trying out the Nike Lunarglides for the next pair.

JohnnyCrash

Macanri wrote: »

Ran in Asics 1150, progressed to 2140s then Kayanos 15s. Went to AK and got a pair of Brooks Adrenline 11. (I also got a pair of Brooks ST Racers - which I find great for short races) A few weeks running in the Adr 11s I got a mild 'shin splint type pain' in the sides of my legs, so went back to Kayanos 17's.

Thinking of trying out the Nike Lunarglides for the next pair.

Hi Macanri,im using Asics 1160's and was looking at the Kayanos. Is there much of a difference between them?. .Is there enough of a difference to justify the big price difference between them?

rainbow kirby

Kayano is much more supportive than the 1160. Ask yourself whether you need that extra support or not.

JohnnyCrash

Had gait done and im an over pronator.Will the extra support do any harm?

menoscemo

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Had gait done and im an over pronator.Will the extra support do any harm?

If you don't need it, yeah it might.
If you had a gait analysis and were given the 1160's, why change? Are your current shoes doing you any harm? are they causing injury? If not then there is no need to get a more expensive, bulkier/heavier shoe. A shoe with too much support can also cause you injury...

JohnnyCrash

Ah,ok.I assumed a stability shoe was just a stability shoe.Didnt realise there were different types of stability.Just thought it would be a natural progression moving up to a better shoe seeing as the 1160 would be classed as an entry level shoe.Also,i see that the Kayano has more cushioning.Im 13st10,so it may be more suitable? I might also get gait done again,no harm in a 2nd opinion I guess.

JohnnyCrash

Ah,ok. I assumed a stability shoe was just a stability shoe,didnt realise there were varying types of stability.I thought it would be a natural progression moving up to a better shoe seeing as the 1160's would be classed as entry level

menoscemo

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Ah,ok. I assumed a stability shoe was just a stability shoe,didnt realise there were varying types of stability.I thought it would be a natural progression moving up to a better shoe seeing as the 1160's would be classed as entry level

Actually, the natural progression ( I would have thought) would be to move to a lighter/less support shoe as your running form becomes more efficient.
Kayanos certainly have a lot more support than 1160's but are also more expensive and heavier. If it ain't broke don't fix it IMO.

BeepBeep67

I've gradually transitioned to lighter / minamilist shoes this year and haven't looked back, started slowly, for the year over 50% of my runs have been in them and about 75% for July. Lovin' the Inov-8 230's and the Adizero Mana's.

JohnnyCrash

menoscemo wrote: »

Actually, the natural progression ( I would have thought) would be to move to a lighter/less support shoe as your running form becomes more efficient.
Kayanos certainly have a lot more support than 1160's but are also more expensive and heavier. If it ain't broke don't fix it IMO.

I have lowish arches,so need the support.Its a physical condition,surely more efficient running form isnt going to alter the fact? Im only new to this game,so weights of shoes etc dont really bother me,but would like to have the best shoes i can get.So,is it not the case that your foot is your foot and theres only one particular shoe type for your foot? i.e neutral,stability etc.....

LJD10

I switched to a pair of asics kinsei last year and ended up with damaged cartilage in my knee not long after so I had to pull out of the Dublin Marathon the month before . However I dont know if it was more to do with my mileage increasing or the fact that I over pronate badly. I got a pair of orthotics made which helped a bit. But I changed to Kayano 17s this year and haven't had any knee trouble at all.

Rantan

....beginning to lean towards the minimalist side of things myself - trying to move towards a flatter lighter shoe - also try to get a few laps of the local park barefoot everyweek also. i think that if you have good core strength/flexibillity etc that the shoe you wear shouldn;t make a whole lot of difference. I have gone from 2150's to Lunar glides and recently bought a pair of Fass 500's - i also do a weekly trail run in Addiddas Kanadias - I am finding that the variation is really helping my overall condition - haventl had an injury since DCM 09 training.

menoscemo

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

I have lowish arches,so need the support.Its a physical condition,surely more efficient running form isnt going to alter the fact? Im only new to this game,so weights of shoes etc dont really bother me,but would like to have the best shoes i can get.So,is it not the case that your foot is your foot and theres only one particular shoe type for your foot? i.e neutral,stability etc.....

As I said if it ain't broke don't fix it but going by your 'locked' thread, maybe it is broke.
As RK said in answer to your first post on this thread, 'ask yourself if you need the extra support'. If the answer is yes, then maybe the Kayano's are a better shoe for you.

dahat

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Had gait done and im an over pronator.Will the extra support do any harm?

My gait anlaysis gave me the same result,mild/moderate.............shoes that were suggested were the Lunar Eclipse,find the shoe good but a little noisy and needed a 1/2 size up from normal............they may or may not suit ya,it is hard for anyone to suggest a shoe for someone on the net.......

ThisRegard

BeepBeep67 wrote: »

Lovin' the Inov-8 230's

I've been wearing the Roclite 290s, the most comfortable shoes I've ever worn. When my current road shows are dead, which is more or less now, I intend on getting the Road-X 255s. In fact when my roclites were getting repaired recently I wore my previous trail shoes to a race, felt like I was wearing womens heels on the descent and subsequently went badly over on my ankle. I'm pretty sure the shoes were the reason, they were fairly built up and supportive.

I started off in Kayanos too being flat footed and over pronating which I don't think I'll need to go back to. But I don't think I'll ever go down the complete minimalist or barefoot route either.

seecathrun

Anyone have problems with Kayanos or other shoes causing blisters that affect your toenails? I have this problem with Kayanos. I am a slight overpronator.

rainbow kirby

seecathrun wrote: »

Anyone have problems with Kayanos or other shoes causing blisters that affect your toenails? I have this problem with Kayanos. I am a slight overpronator.

Likelihood there is that your shoes are about 1/2 size too small. Also, if you're only a slight pronator, you should probably be in a less supportive shoe (DS Trainer/Lunarglide/Wave Inspire etc).

seecathrun

Runners are 1/2 a size bigger than my ordinary shoes. Have had neutral asics but my knees took a beating, toenails were perfect. My lunars do not allow my posture compensate for the curve of the edge of the road. Keep them for flat park running. Have not tried my Brooks in road training as I wanted to keep them clean for the gym and bike. Thought maybe someone might have hints on how to stop this happening or when it does how to stop the toenails lifting. Pity if it stopped me running.

RacoonQueen

ThisRegard wrote: »

I've been wearing the Roclite 290s, the most comfortable shoes I've ever worn. When my current road shows are dead, which is more or less now, I intend on getting the Road-X 255s. In fact when my roclites were getting repaired recently I wore my previous trail shoes to a race, felt like I was wearing womens heels on the descent and subsequently went badly over on my ankle. I'm pretty sure the shoes were the reason, they were fairly built up and supportive.

I started off in Kayanos too being flat footed and over pronating which I don't think I'll need to go back to. But I don't think I'll ever go down the complete minimalist or barefoot route either.

Let me know what the road-x are like. I want the 155's.:)

menoscemo

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Let me know what the road-x are like. I want the 155's.:)

Have you not got enough shoes already?

rainbow kirby

menoscemo wrote: »

Have you not got enough shoes already?

Women never have enough shoes. :pac:

RacoonQueen

menoscemo wrote: »

Have you not got enough shoes already?

I do not understand this question.

robroy1234

Considering that the more complex and technical running shoes become, the higher the correlation of injuries to the lower limbs occur. shin splints, ilio-tibial band syndrome and peri-patellar pain are attributed variously to excessive pronation, supination, and shock loading of the limbs (Siff and Verkhoshansky, 1999, p.451). When running barefoot on hard surfaces, the runner compensates for the lack of cushioning underfoot by plantar-flexing the foot at contact, thus giving a softer landing (Frederick, 1986). Barefoot runners also land mid-foot, increasing the work of the foot's soft tissue support structures, thereby increasing their strength and possibly reducing the risk of injury (Yessis 2000, p.124). Wearers of expensive running shoes that were promoted as correcting pronation or providing more cushioning experienced a greater prevalence of these running-related injuries than wearers of less expensive shoes (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). In another study, expensive athletic shoes accounted for more than twice as many injuries as cheaper shoes, a fact that prompted Robbins and Waked (1997) to suggest that deceptive advertising of athletic footwear (e.g., "cushioning impact") may represent a public health hazard. Anthony (1987) reported that running shoes should be considered protective devices (from dangerous or painful objects) rather than corrective devices, as their capacity for shock absorption and control of over-pronation is limited. The modern running shoe and footwear generally reduce sensory feedback, apparently without diminishing injury-inducing impact–a process Robbins and Gouw (1991) described as the "perceptual illusion" of athletic footwear. A resulting false sense of security may contribute to the risk of injury (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). Yessis (2000, p.122) reasoned that once the natural foot structures are weakened by long-term footwear use, people have to rely on the external support of the footwear, but the support does not match that provided by a well functioning foot.

ultrapercy

robroy1234 wrote: »

Considering that the more complex and technical running shoes become, the higher the correlation of injuries to the lower limbs occur. shin splints, ilio-tibial band syndrome and peri-patellar pain are attributed variously to excessive pronation, supination, and shock loading of the limbs (Siff and Verkhoshansky, 1999, p.451). When running barefoot on hard surfaces, the runner compensates for the lack of cushioning underfoot by plantar-flexing the foot at contact, thus giving a softer landing (Frederick, 1986). Barefoot runners also land mid-foot, increasing the work of the foot's soft tissue support structures, thereby increasing their strength and possibly reducing the risk of injury (Yessis 2000, p.124). Wearers of expensive running shoes that were promoted as correcting pronation or providing more cushioning experienced a greater prevalence of these running-related injuries than wearers of less expensive shoes (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). In another study, expensive athletic shoes accounted for more than twice as many injuries as cheaper shoes, a fact that prompted Robbins and Waked (1997) to suggest that deceptive advertising of athletic footwear (e.g., "cushioning impact") may represent a public health hazard. Anthony (1987) reported that running shoes should be considered protective devices (from dangerous or painful objects) rather than corrective devices, as their capacity for shock absorption and control of over-pronation is limited. The modern running shoe and footwear generally reduce sensory feedback, apparently without diminishing injury-inducing impact–a process Robbins and Gouw (1991) described as the "perceptual illusion" of athletic footwear. A resulting false sense of security may contribute to the risk of injury (Robbins and Gouw, 1991). Yessis (2000, p.122) reasoned that once the natural foot structures are weakened by long-term footwear use, people have to rely on the external support of the footwear, but the support does not match that provided by a well functioning foot.

My brain hurts !!

robroy1234

But not your feet and legs....